Was this scientist fired for finding a "4000 year-old" dinosaur fossil?

[Silver Prime]

well, sure looks like the young Earther just pwned himself.

The idiot makes an irrational claim that he knows he can't prove and now decides to blame the rational person he is arguing with of making the irrational statement in the first place whilst demanding he prove said claim.

You see folks, this is what happens when religion interferes with science based teaching in schools. Logic and commonsense are replaced by dogma and faith which lead to irrational thought and emotional demands that their world view is the only correct one.

Religion, and by extension Creationism, is anathema to the pure, unencumbered search for knowledge and truth.

He doesnt need to say it, its obvious in his insinuations, was just backing the OP since after all I did see a local historian on PBS make similar claims the the threads title. You are on the other hand pwned yourself, then added in this whole heap of B.S I right your wrong rant, I never proclaim anyone is wrong, if you have actually read all my post, my argument was religon nor science is 100% accurate. Go back to false propheting your so call folks you think you had pinned romney.

(Iron woode)

Looks like you could be Iron wings alt, similar name...similar B.S insinuations, and on the same topics when gets laughed at? Could be...

lol

 

[alzan]

He doesnt need to say it, its obvious in his insinuations, was just backing the OP since after all I did see a local historian on PBS make similar claims the the threads title. You are on the other hand pwned yourself, then added in this whole heap of B.S I right your wrong rant, I never proclaim anyone is wrong, if you have actually read all my post, my argument was religon nor science is 100% accurate. Go back to false propheting your so call folks you think you had pinned romney.

(Iron woode)

Looks like you could be Iron wings alt, similar name...similar B.S insinuations, and on the same topics when gets laughed at? Could be...

lol

Without the historian's name and specifics of the claims made that statement smells like BS.

As far as science or religion not being 100% accurate that's only partially true, scientific theories in a given field have mountains of evidence which have been observed, tested and verified; what various religions have going for them is a number of believers and a small amount of evidence.

Also, try breaking up your rambling paragraphs into coherent sentences.

 

[Silver Prime]

Without the historian's name and specifics of the claims made that statement smells like BS.

As far as science or religion not being 100% accurate that's only partially true, scientific theories in a given field have mountains of evidence which have been observed, tested and verified; what various religions have going for them is a number of believers and a small amount of evidence.

Also, try breaking up your rambling paragraphs into coherent sentences.

You're smelling your upper lip. Dont think this is the one I saw since the pottery the man was showing was different:
http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/dinosaurs-and-the-bible/

http://www.pbs.org/parents/experts/archive/2009/10/dinosaurs-and-trains-say-what.html

And I cant watch vids on this computer so I wont be able to confirm the man who was talking, in fact there were several people breaking it all down not just one, a historian in a suit explaining the potery, another geologist that tied in the potterys location to known locations of excavated dino bones in america (utah) and few other natrualist who had tangible proof of wrtten anicent text, I can assure you in what I saw as I have nothing to gain since I dont disagree with either 5,000 nor 65 million years ago as its all just speculation, its not like I agree with the guy, I'm just saying the theory is not ruled out.

And you obviously dont know what science is, science is just a latin abriviation/word for the study of something, just because it is accepted doesnt make it true.

 

[IronWing]

He

Looks like you could be Iron wings alt, similar name...similar B.S insinuations, and on the same topics when gets laughed at? Could be...

lol

Don't be ridiculous. Iron Woode is much smarter and I am much better looking.

 

[alzan]

You're smelling your upper lip. Dont think this is the one I saw since the pottery the man was showing was different:
http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/dinosaurs-and-the-bible/

http://www.pbs.org/parents/experts/archive/2009/10/dinosaurs-and-trains-say-what.html

And I cant watch vids on this computer so I wont be able to confirm the man who was talking, in fact there were several people breaking it all down not just one, a historian in a suit explaining the potery, another geologist that tied in the potterys location to known locations of excavated dino bones in america (utah) and few other natrualist who had tangible proof of wrtten anicent text, I can assure you in what I saw as I have nothing to gain since I dont disagree with either 5,000 nor 65 million years ago as its all just speculation, its not like I agree with the guy, I'm just saying the theory is not ruled out.

And you obviously dont know what science is, science is just a latin abriviation/word for the study of something, just because it is accepted doesnt make it true.

truthingenesis.com, there's an objective and unbiased website if I ever saw one.

/s

The word science comes from the Latin scientia meaning knowledge; modern usage has morphed that into a way of pursuing knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

 

[Silver Prime]

truthingenesis.com, there's an objective and unbiased website if I ever saw one.

/s

The word science comes from the Latin scientia meaning knowledge; modern usage has morphed that into a way of pursuing knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

knowledge...the study of something.

Again, its not like I agree with the guy, but even that newer one explains how easily people abuse the word science.

lets look at the facts:

• The word Dinosuars has only been around for less than 2 centurys.
• There are more than 10 cultures with their own artifacts of dinos/dragons before TV and Internet.
• Carbon dating is not 100% accurate ergo roughly around this time, not exact.

You wouldnt be able to track down dinosaurs in different languages, or else how would you find it in any form of documentation below the 18th century? Over 1,000 different languages to weigh in all of them is beyound are capabilitys of current, maybe in another thousand years of internet google translate, but then what?

If you're saying science trumps religon because it has more evidence then you're delusional, the only thing science has going is carbon dating, not to mention thats just one form of science that is not 100% accurate, did you know that paleoentology, osteology, arhcaeology is all forms of science too? Hundreds upon thousands of artifacts written and sculpted with dino/dragons of medeval, and ancient. Thats 10's of thousands of tangible proof against one single method. These are tied in with theologians and historians, all whom analyze biblical records as well.

The bible (each culture has one, some numerous versions via theres thousand of written gods), it is a historical document, most dont even know if the things main stream pusedo science claims of fiction like the romans cinitaurs and Griffens are of mythological beast, (other cultures who never knew jackshit of the text and only self-proclaimed/interperted it through their own imagination), the historians said (so called griffens) they symbolize the three most powerful animals of our location, (body of the bull) the strongest of cattle, (head of the lion) the strongest panthera (wings of the eagle) the strongest bird of the sky, you'd think main stream science would even take the fictional text as metaphorically, but noooo, other cultures came in and said they must have had flying lion griffens, boom, fake no bones, boom, they're culture is lies, boom our god is the only real god, and around the donkeys ass religon/science goes....no one knows, anything of each century can be misinterpeted and history can be re-written from a false source.



5,000 years vs 65 million years

My opinion: 50/50

Science tangible proof: One method of the possible truth and a whole bunch of other scientific occupations disagreeing with it.

Religon tangible proof: Probably millions of artifacts of the possible truth, with 99% of each religous back ground disagreeing with each other.


I am more fond of science, but still hold the belief of both spirtual and religous back grounds, kinda dormant with the one true god, (since that was what i was raised with) but am open to learning others and understand the reasoning that nothing is 100% true, unless you belive it is...aka (Ignorance)

 

[Victorian Gray]

So let's summarize what we know so far.

1) We don't know anything.
2) See 1

I have yet to understand just what this is about. Yes, it's another stupid thread about religion, but I'm claims about a 4k year old dinosaur but nothing which says that claim was made in the paper and no I'm not spending 36 dollars to find out.

Apparently someone was fired. The person who got canned believes that it was religious bigotry while others say it was funding.

So what is the true story here?

We will find out when there actually are some facts released.

In the mean time, discuss, discuss.

 

[Silver Prime]

There is religon in science, and there is science in religon...dont see why its been don'd two different catagories, there is also spiritual and athesiem, all 4 of these things can take place in each individuals swaying of Interpretation through out there lives many people convert back and forth, sounds just like man made inequalities.

No matter what a scientific occupation conjures up, electricty, technology ect the religous guy will say it was god who gave you that knowledge via science...its a lose lose if you're on either side, its best to take a step back, take it in and laugh...then say who fucking cares and just enjoy your life as is. lol

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I think we should indeed examine the fossil and if it turns out that this guy did indeed demonstrate outright incompetence or intellectual dishonesty then his firing was justified.

 

[MongGrel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating

 

[MongGrel]

lets look at the facts:

• The word Dinosuars has only been around for less than 2 centurys.
• There are more than 10 cultures with their own artifacts of dinos/dragons before TV and Internet.
• Carbon dating is not 100% accurate ergo roughly around this time, not exact.

OK, you made me spew beer out of my nose.

Bravo, I suppose.

 

[Silver Prime]

OK, you made me spew beer out of my nose.

Bravo, I suppose.

???


In such carbon dating is going up against every culture who documented dinosaurs/dragons in ther own ways, and its a new technology, its not dead accurate. In the end, would it matter? People have been finding gold far before metal detectors came around the same as people have had their own instruments branded as science or non-accepted as science methods of determining ages of the earth.

Religon is so fucking big even if we do find aliens with our newer telescopes/radio technology, and find thousands of other civilizations on other planets, galaxies and universes and then communicate with them getting a larger spectrum of knowledge, religon will still say god already knew that and bestowed it...thats the thing about the bibles and historic records of each culture, they can constantly change and be re-written, along with everything else. natrual disasters has proven that via world wide floods, huricanes, meteors ect...what ever happens is out of our hands, you step on ants every day without knowing it, science/religon (mankind) gets rebooted all the time as well from natraul disasters.

 

[Silver Prime]

T rex was considerd the King of the Dinosaurs...The lion is called King of the beast, it would be interesting to see a pride of lions take on a T rex...I mean its possible with all the 4,000 year old theorys an all.


I mean if jurassic park showed 5, 180 lb raptors jumping a T rex, I think a large lion pride consisting of 500 lb lions could as well, the largest pride was 42 lions, the average 12, and the heaviest elephant was heavier than the heaviest T rex...the suvati pride was notorious for killing elephants, if one pride can do it, thousands of prides could as well making it viable for a semi competition for meat, like a pack of wild dogs against a lone lion.

A Bull elephant could atleast push his weight around the T rex, even the rhino is of closely built to the T rex rival the Tricertops:

Certainly the lions decendants could have competed with the last remnents of dinos then:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_lion

 

[Exophase]

One reason dragons are so prevalent in old cultures is because the classification "dragon" is actually very broad, and the examples are actually highly varied. And you can see that their depictions changed a lot over a relatively short period of time (hundreds of years), really constrained to a common lineage of other European or Chinese dragons (which themselves bear only a casual resemblance to each other). That sounds to me much more like a literary progression than a historical one, maybe influenced by some bones dug up along the one.

Even today dragons continue to be popular in media, is that because the authors are reflecting on them as real creatures? No, it's because they're awe-inspiring and exciting. I don't know why anyone would automatically assume old epics were intended to be documentaries and not repeated folk lore or outright fiction.

 

[Silver Prime]

One reason dragons are so prevalent in old cultures is because the classification "dragon" is actually very broad, and the examples are actually highly varied. And you can see that their depictions changed a lot over a relatively short period of time (hundreds of years), really constrained to a common lineage of other European or Chinese dragons (which themselves bear only a casual resemblance to each other). That sounds to me much more like a literary progression than a historical one, maybe influenced by some bones dug up along the one.

Even today dragons continue to be popular in media, is that because the authors are reflecting on them as real creatures? No, it's because they're awe-inspiring and exciting. I don't know why anyone would automatically assume old epics were intended to be documentaries and not repeated folk lore or outright fiction.

Are you kidding me? Only the past century the Dino name has been accepted in some small communitys and certain branches of science, there are well over 1,000 different shapes, names, land types, water types, sky (flying) types of dinosaurs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur_genera

Do you know how long it would take for one to match the skeletons to every pictorial record before TV, and internet and then sniff through fact from folklore? Eons, its easier now with computers, but still to what extant, humans live in a world of fantasy anyway, toons, movies, theatricals from fictional novels, how much millions of evidence is being overuled by toons narrirating 65 million years.

Its beyound stupid to say one branch of science has the final truth, majority of the other scientific occupations not only disagree, but have their own tangible proof (historic records in text and sculpture) archaeology 101, the funniest fact is 80% of the ying yangs who go and debate lion vs tiger have the ignorance, the stupidity and the just hysterical lies that (exclusively) tigers are asian and lions are african, when still today lions exist in india, and covered not only africa, but asia, eruasia, europe, and even america once upn a time. If majority of science couldent even tell if lions were in asia, how is it suppose date somethig spanning billions of years against thousands?

Science once said the earth was flat, now they say its round (contradiction), science says alot of things, doesnt mean its the truth, nor can you prove its accepted of 1/10th in any culture, just because the info comes from way back when doesnt mean its automatically flawed, newtons law (science) is older than 300 years should we disregard it because its old? The wheel has been around since way before BC times, should we do away with it since its so out dated and stick to flying cars and space ships? No, because we dont have them, the same way science brands dinos, the technology is something we dont have as accurate.

Not to mention the abuseing the word science, why not say knowledge instead followed by its ology (the study of)??? Beacuse 99% of the people on the web dont know, its all just speculation and opinions, not to forget, its alot easier to parry away from something you dont know and just say science instead of actually showing evidence.

 

[MongGrel]

OMFG, I'm just oughta here.

LMFAO.

 

[Victorian Gray]

T rex was considerd the King of the Dinosaurs...The lion is called King of the beast, it would be interesting to see a pride of lions take on a T rex...I mean its possible with all the 4,000 year old theorys an all.


I mean if jurassic park showed 5, 180 lb raptors jumping a T rex, I think a large lion pride consisting of 500 lb lions could as well, the largest pride was 42 lions, the average 12, and the heaviest elephant was heavier than the heaviest T rex...the suvati pride was notorious for killing elephants, if one pride can do it, thousands of prides could as well making it viable for a semi competition for meat, like a pack of wild dogs against a lone lion.

A Bull elephant could atleast push his weight around the T rex, even the rhino is of closely built to the T rex rival the Tricertops:




Certainly the lions decendants could have competed with the last remnents of dinos then:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_lion

You do understand that was a fictional Hollywood movie and, as such, whatever it 'showed' doesn't actually mean anything, don't you?

 

[Silver Prime]

OMFG, I'm just oughta here.

LMFAO.

So what you're saying is, you were here the entire time the thread started glued to your computer for 24+ hours waiting to tell people they are wrong and you have the answer?

XD XD XD

 

[rommelrommel]

Are you kidding me? Only the past century the Dino name has been accepted in some small communitys and certain branches of science, there are well over 1,000 different shapes, names, land types, water types, sky (flying) types of dinosaurs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur_genera

Do you know how long it would take for one to match the skeletons to every pictorial record before TV, and internet and then sniff through fact from folklore? Eons, its easier now with computers, but still to what extant, humans live in a world of fantasy anyway, toons, movies, theatricals from fictional novels, how much millions of evidence is being overuled by toons narrirating 65 million years.

Its beyound stupid to say one branch of science has the final truth, majority of the other scientific occupations not only disagree, but have their own tangible proof (historic records in text and sculpture) archaeology 101, the funniest fact is 80% of the ying yangs who go and debate lion vs tiger have the ignorance, the stupidity and the just hysterical lies that (exclusively) tigers are asian and lions are african, when still today lions exist in india, and covered not only africa, but asia, eruasia, europe, and even america once upn a time. If majority of science couldent even tell if lions were in asia, how is it suppose date somethig spanning billions of years against thousands?

Science once said the earth was flat, now they say its round (contradiction), science says alot of things, doesnt mean its the truth, nor can you prove its accepted of 1/10th in any culture, just because the info comes from way back when doesnt mean its automatically flawed, newtons law (science) is older than 300 years should we disregard it because its old? The wheel has been around since way before BC times, should we do away with it since its so out dated and stick to flying cars and space ships? No, because we dont have them, the same way science brands dinos, the technology is something we dont have as accurate.

Not to mention the abuseing the word science, why not say knowledge instead followed by its ology (the study of)??? Beacuse 99% of the people on the web dont know, its all just speculation and opinions, not to forget, its alot easier to parry away from something you dont know and just say science instead of actually showing evidence.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Silver Prime]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

God told me, to tell you...shut the fuck up.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Are you kidding me? Only the past century the Dino name has been accepted in some small communitys and certain branches of science, there are well over 1,000 different shapes, names, land types, water types, sky (flying) types of dinosaurs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur_genera

{snip}


Science once said the earth was flat, now they say its round (contradiction), science says alot of things, doesnt mean its the truth, nor can you prove its accepted of 1/10th in any culture, just because the info comes from way back when doesnt mean its automatically flawed, newtons law (science) is older than 300 years should we disregard it because its old? The wheel has been around since way before BC times, should we do away with it since its so out dated and stick to flying cars and space ships? No, because we dont have them, the same way science brands dinos, the technology is something we dont have as accurate.

Flat earth? Flat earth? Did someone mention flat earth? <sigh> you don't seem to know all that much about this 'science stuff' do you?

Here's a lesson:

The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.[1]

During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost nonexistent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[2]

According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[3] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[4]

Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution.[5] Russell claims "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat", and credits histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving for popularizing the flat-earth myth.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

Now, if you weren't able to get something as small as that correct, what does it say about everything else you present here.

 

[Silver Prime]

Flat earth? Flat earth? Did someone mention flat earth? <sigh> you don't seem to know all that much about this 'science stuff' do you?

Here's a lesson:

The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.[1]

During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost nonexistent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[2]

According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[3] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[4]

Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution.[5] Russell claims "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat", and credits histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving for popularizing the flat-earth myth.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

Now, if you weren't able to get something as small as that correct, what does it say about everything else you present here.

Blap blap bla bla blap., look at me I just copied wikipedia ad acted like I know what I'm talking about, when hilariously your source says that people thought that the earth was flat and then was disputed, exactly what Ive said. They constantly challange themselves, again...science just means the study of (knowledge) of what they think they know at the time.

Assumptions and opinions. The scientific method was always and will always be.... not to know the truth... but to question things forming your own opinion.

 

[IronWing]

I have to admit the return on a nickel's investment is outstanding. I think I'll put in another nickel and see what happens.

At the time the dinos were kicking butt, the ancestors of the lions were the size of rats. A dino would have splatted a gaggle of proto-lions just by shitting on them.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Blap blap bla bla blap., look at me I just copied wikipedia ad acted like I know what I'm talking about, when hilariously your source says that people thought that the earth was flat and then was disputed, exactly what Ive said. They contsnatly challange themselves, again...sceince just means the study of (knowledge) of what they think they know at the time.

Assumptions and opinions.

Ooops. I didn't realize that I was talking to a fence post. How silly of me.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled showing of, "Jurrasic Park: They Lied!"

 

[Silver Prime]

I have to admit the return on a nickel's investment is outstanding. I think I'll put in another nickel and see what happens.

At the time the dinos were kicking butt, the ancestors of the lions were the size of rats. A dino would have splatted a gaggle of proto-lions just by shitting on them.

What does the size of the dino shit you eat have to do with anything?

They were hundreds of times bigger than us, yet had the brain size of a golf ball, a single human with a tank could gun down an army of dinos, a child wielding a bazooka could take down there biggest species the brontosaurus, accoding to the size of their brains idealistically they were retarded giants bumping into things. Even if they existed tday on a remote island, a single nuke could wipe them out again, some ass kicking dinos they were. Huh