So basically, you guys who have access to the article are saying the Fox News article is blowing smoke when it says that it makes a claim about dinosaurs being 4000 years old?
Sounds typical...
Sounds typical...
alzan
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Looks like this will have to be settled in court. The university will produce their hiring documents/contracts and Mr. Armitage will have to produce his evidence that he was hired as a permanent employee and was fired for his creationist views.
As far as the soft tissue it appears to have been explained by the link:
Not trying to throw stones but I take anything reported on or interpreted by Fox News with a grain of salt (actually more of a salt lick):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_lick
I'm guessing he goes commando and manages to catch his scrotum with the pants zipper constantly.
As far as the soft tissue it appears to have been explained by the link:
Not trying to throw stones but I take anything reported on or interpreted by Fox News with a grain of salt (actually more of a salt lick):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_lick
I'm guessing he goes commando and manages to catch his scrotum with the pants zipper constantly.
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Don't determine them...just ask.
My motives are very simple -- to gauge opinions on the circumstances. No, we don't have all the facts, which is something I acknowledged and I phrased the thread title in the form of a question instead of a statement to reflect that.
With that said, are you up to discussing the question, or are you going to continue to derail the thread to avoid discussing the potential consequences of the firing?
Yes, we have living things that date back way beyound dinosaurs, like 500 million year old jelly fish, but how accurate are these claims? If the jelly fish one seems definitive, why is there such the rants of dinosaurs origination time-line? Its hard to belive one culture over the other when religon is involved, how can you distinguish reliable records in the first place? Theres literally 1,000s of different cultures in each continent, chinas written records go back 14 thousand years way older than the roman empire, the root source of european languages, which is in terms what the U.s leans more upon.
Basically we are using european languages, using sub-asian and eurasian science methods to determine american dinosuar bones dates? There is no definitive number, its all speculation upon opinions.
How accurate is it? You dont know. You'll just parot popular belief.
alzan
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Did I say I have evidence?
Well, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.
If there's no "basis for discussion", then you're welcome to stop posting here.
Ok, what exactly are we "discussing" here?
You stated:
"Don't really know, to be honest, until more facts are released. But I don't think that he was let go simply because he was a "temporary employee" which so happened to take place days after his conclusions where published.
You decide.
What do you think?"
As you note, there's no real information available but still you have already formed an opinion. Then you ask for the opinions of others. Given the lack of information do you want us all to simply make up our minds anyway? And then we form a circle and "discuss" our factless opinions for a few days?
Yeah, right...
That appears to be what he personally believes but that was not, apparently, presented in the article in question.
Well, this isn't the first time I've read of scientists who secretly hold creationists viewpoints but are too afraid of losing their jobs to voice them, so they kind of go along with the flow.
Of course, I think that even hinting at anything remotely related to creation is enough to get stares from fellow scientists. Even if he was fired because his position ran its course, I don't think its completely without merit that having creationist views would be grounds for termination...after all, we're all human, and don't really like being proven wrong.
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They guy who ultimately fired me from the university job was a creationist. It never once occurred to me that his religious belief was the basis for ending the program I was working on. I guess I need to lawyer up.
Like I said, we're all human, and don't really like being proven wrong. Shame though that personal views can get in the way of another person's means of living.
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I would expect them to get stares; IMO a creationist of any religious stripe is starting out with an answer for which they need to find evidence, which is in many ways the exact opposite of science. Perhaps I'm not expressing this correctly but science gives us theories for which mounds of evidence have been observed, tested and verified over and over. They are not "answers" but they are as close as science can get with the tools and data at hand.
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These two things are incompatible, religion too often colors the opinions of these 'scientists'. What did he do with a microscope to come to his conclusion, count the rings in the dinosaur bones?
Besides that, everyone knows that Jesus had a pet stegosaurus that he rode to market so that proves that dinosaurs existed then, not 4,000 years ago!
Your first sentence is partially inaccurate. Francis Collins is the most obvious example of Evangelicals who are good scientists. You can rightly say his personal beliefs aren't based on scientific observations (God and Jesus being the Son of God), but you can definitely hold a Christian and scientific view, and still do your work.
The two aren't inherently incompatible, but you're right if one is allowed to negatively influence the other.
No one should get "stares" for simply holding different views. That leads to prejudice.
Imagine the "stares" white civil rights activists got for wanting integration.
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Dinos seem a bit overated as well, if chickens are related to the T rex and your average house cat would probably kill a chicken...how formidable is the average raptor to the average big cat or bear?
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Some unfortunately as well as far too many blacks got more than just stares.
True; stares, gasps, eyebrow-raising, etc. are, at least IMO, a "knee-jerk" reaction to statements and/or situations that seem unbelievable/unacceptable.
However as you've already pointed out we are human and fraught with imperfections. I myself am often subject to such reactions; I try not to be offended and will mentally review what I just said to find an error so I may better ascertain the reaction. Rough guesstimate is about 50/50; something I misspoke vs. something factual/true I spoke that was outside the listener(s) experience.
The historical records of what?
Exactly who coined the name dinosaurs and their exact date? Im pretty sure some cultures still today re-discovering bones in other parts of the world still think they are dragons...and dragons are a part of every main stream culture in europe and asia, whats to say they wernt painting dinosaurs via british emblems, whats to say Vikings anecdotes werent fighting the last of the dinosaurs in there area, after all they live in sub-artic areas perfect for preserving a Cryogenic dino, or how about the chinese who plaster dragons (dinosaur looking creatures) from there own hieroglyphs of ancient, come to think of it, just seen (2 years ago) a PBS of a man with pottery of an ancient civilization in america and they had hudreds of dinosaur sculptures, all within a range of 5,000 - 20,000 years ago, 4,000 is not that far off from that documentary.
When you speak of such historic records, instead of being arogant, and patruding out mainstream popular belief like cartoons, why not aid us to what masters degree professors and universitys these alleged claims were promoted and solidified a world wide acceptance, since numerous univeristys go head to head each year in refuting and disproving the other.
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A tiger could easily take down a velociraptor. After all, it's really just a chicken, but like, really old.
Thats why the OP has a good staning point in reasons of discussing this thread, main stream media has filled majority of the world with phoney estimates and false pro-claims:
Velociraptor was a mid-sized dromaeosaurid, with adults measuring up to 2.07*m (6.8*ft) long, 0.5*m (1.6*ft) high at the hip, and weighing up to 15*kg (33*lb).[4] The skull, which grew up to 25*cm (9.8*in) long, was uniquely up-curved, concave on the upper surface and convex on the lower. The jaws were lined with 2628 widely spaced teeth on each side, each more strongly serrated on the back edge than the front.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velociraptor#Description
What happen to they were bigger than men via Jurassic park. Appearntly the raptor weighed in as much as a small pitbull. As for the tiger, his equal match would be the Utharaptor, which jurassic park looks like they were trying to feature the achilobator, not velociraptor.
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Thats why the OP has a good staning point in reasons of discussing this thread, main stream media has filled majority of the world with phoney estimates and false pro-claims:
Velociraptor was a mid-sized dromaeosaurid, with adults measuring up to 2.07*m (6.8*ft) long, 0.5*m (1.6*ft) high at the hip, and weighing up to 15*kg (33*lb).[4] The skull, which grew up to 25*cm (9.8*in) long, was uniquely up-curved, concave on the upper surface and convex on the lower. The jaws were lined with 2628 widely spaced teeth on each side, each more strongly serrated on the back edge than the front.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velociraptor#Description
What happen to they were bigger than men via Jurassic park. Appearntly the raptor weighed in as much as a small pitbull. As for the tiger, his equal match would be the Utharaptor, which jurassic park looks like they were trying to feature.
Your dinosaur doesn't have any muscles. This is silly. How is it supposed to fight chickens without muscles?
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