War Thunder - F2P Combat Flight MMO

[Ruptga]

I thought the initial announcement said the only way to get in the beta is to complete every single event? Personally, idgaf about the beta, but I'm loving some of these events. The current one involves doing stuff in heavy bombers, so my KI45s are gonna be getting a LOT of easy kills tonight.

Derp, no easy kills for me. No more than usual, anyway. Heavy bombers start at tier 11, so I won't see any.

 

[gorobei]

wow so the russia vs japan duels are either the biggest troll by gaijin studios or they are just deranged. let's take the reserve biplanes with the best guns and turn rates, put them up against one of the crappiest biplanes in the game and see what happens.

the desperation of the ki10 users quickly descended into the most rampant kill stealing and team killing(in order to kill steal) i've ever seen. ramming was the rule instead of the exception. i saw a train of 6 kill steallers just stumbling over each other trying to kill one poor fool who pushed a little too far forward. players would get an enemy smoking and free falling about to die and then tail directly behind him taking friendly fire to keep teammates from stealing the kill

im glad i chose to grind it out late the first night of the challenge and had the whole weekend to enjoy the 5x bonus in normal non challenge tier 2+ servers.

question: are the upper tier ju87stukas supposed to be the equivalent of the IL2? the cannon sniping with the IL2 is way OP and they are only 23mm. im guessing the stuka with a 37 or 40 mm is even better, but the stukas just seem too slow to survive long enough to get pointed at anyone before taking a ton of damage.

 

[ZaneNBK]

question: are the upper tier ju87stukas supposed to be the equivalent of the IL2? the cannon sniping with the IL2 is way OP and they are only 23mm. im guessing the stuka with a 37 or 40 mm is even better, but the stukas just seem too slow to survive long enough to get pointed at anyone before taking a ton of damage.

No, IL2 is in a class of it's own.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

No, IL2 is in a class of it's own.

agreed. IL2 is a beast

 

[monkeydelmagico]

wow so the russia vs japan duels are either the biggest troll by gaijin studios or they are just deranged. let's take the reserve biplanes with the best guns and turn rates, put them up against one of the crappiest biplanes in the game and see what happens.

the desperation of the ki10 users quickly descended into the most rampant kill stealing and team killing(in order to kill steal) i've ever seen. ramming was the rule instead of the exception. i saw a train of 6 kill steallers just stumbling over each other trying to kill one poor fool who pushed a little too far forward. players would get an enemy smoking and free falling about to die and then tail directly behind him taking friendly fire to keep teammates from stealing the kill

lol. I've don't understand why they can't give some love to the japanese lineup. Weak sauce. At least make the few planes that are available somehow special. Other than some decent turn rates I fail to see any reason to waste time on the japanese planes.

 

[Ruptga]

The ki45 gets a 37mm at tier 5 and spawns at bomber height, the t4 ki45 is also at least decent, and the tier 3 hydroplane with 2x cannons is good in its own way, but the japanese roster as a whole is pretty weak. They desperately need a proper light bomber or attacker like an su2 or pe3 in their early lineup, and their existing planes are generally somewhere between middling and terrible. Their reserve planes are flat out shit, and their bombers aren't much better. But, stuff like that is somewhat unavoidable when the goal is to be as historically accurate as possible; some planes and design paradigms did simply suck when compared to their competition.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Just don't be stupid enough to stall fight some of those Japanese fighters. They will stick to your tail, hit you with their cannon and **** you up.

 

[ZaneNBK]

Just don't be stupid enough to stall fight some of those Japanese fighters. They will stick to your tail, hit you with their cannon and **** you up.

Yeah, the Japanese planes aren't the toughest or hardest hitting but they're generally the most maneuverable. Generally if you try to dogfight them or out-turn them you've lost. There are a lot of players that get into turn fights regardless of what they're in or going up against. I find I can get a decent amount of kills with the biplanes against planes several tiers higher due to that. It takes a while to plink them down but unless they get help or wake up and run away then they're dead.

Edit: are = aren't in the first sentence. Otherwise the whole thing makes no sense.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Yeah, the Japanese planes are the toughest or hardest hitting but they're generally the most maneuverable. Generally if you try to dogfight them or out-turn them you've lost. There are a lot of players that get into turn fights regardless of what they're in or going up against. I find I can get a decent amount of kills with the biplanes against planes several tiers higher due to that. It takes a while to plink them down but unless they get help or wake up and run away then they're dead.

While there are times to close in and stall fight certain opponents, but ONLY do it when you have teammates around and/or there are no other enemies to get you.

What annoys me is how some of the Japanese planes like the zero can really just whip around 180 degrees even after a head on and still get you if you try and run. Doesn't help that mouse usage in arcade gives people super-accuracy

I finally recently acquired my first jet: the Heinkel He-162 Salamander and holy crap is it fun to fly both in arcade and historical. Jet vs jet fights, especially against other 162's are freaking nuts especially as the vertical element actually becomes a practical domain of combat thanks to the power and thrust to weight ratios of jet engines. Rolling scissors are hella-crazy.

 

[Ruptga]

Big changes coming in 1.37

I would MUCH prefer that unlocked planes come fully researched, but the changes in how components are researched don't look bad, just different. Tossing the current tiering in favor of a few large groups makes a lot of sense though, here's their example.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Oh god help me and my He-162. I don't want to have to fight F-86s and MiG-15s if fights are going to be based on a broadly based Tier system. While it may increase the number of available players for fights within a given set of levels, it broadens the performance base of specific types of aircraft way too much. If anything, there needs to be 6 tiers, with Tier V representing very early jet fighters like the Me-262, He-162, Yak-15, MiG-9, Meteor F1, Arado 234 and Vampire with Tier VI representing post-'45 planes like the Ta-183, Me-262 HG, F9F, F-86, and MiG-15.

Beyond this, where the hell is the B-29, F9F-6, He-219, Ju-188, Ju-288, Ju-388, He-177, Westland Welkin, Westland Whirlwind, etc, etc, etc?

I really hope that beyond some of the 'promised' planes that I mentioned, we get some others including some more Luftwaffe '46 planes beyond the HG fighter models, the Horton, and Ta-183!

 

[ZaneNBK]

I never got to jets, I got just close enough that I was being thrown into fights with Jets in my prop planes and I think that's when I started losing interest in the game.

 

[Ruptga]

I would expect some small improvements to flight models for planes that are effectively being pushed into a higher weight class, but who knows how they will handle it? I think it's a good idea, whether it's a good decision or not will come down to their implementation of it.

 

[Genx87]

This is a good idea imo. I think jets need to be tiered together. The performance difference is too great for the most part.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Tossing the current tiering in favor of a few large groups makes a lot of sense though, here's their example.

For historic it will help to que up games quicker so that's a plus.

Right now you can go from zero to hero within a tier pretty quickly with plane upgrades. I have a feeling this is going to change. Probably end up skipping over some planes.

 

[gorobei]

OMG and i thought the i15 vs ki10 weekend was bad. getting 40 kills when you only have one f6f hellcat that qualifies is aptly a living hell. way to punish anyone not above tier 8.

any idea when the 1.37 patch comes? i've been holding off on buying new planes if there is going to be radical changes.

 

[Genx87]

I got turned to the tier 5 beaufighter over the weekend. Talk about ridiculous in aracde battles lol.

 

[Ruptga]

I got turned to the tier 5 beaufighter over the weekend. Talk about ridiculous in aracde battles lol.

Yeah, I really think it should either be moved up to tier six or have its manuverability or climb rate nerfed. That doesn't keep me from playing it though, after all the only way it will be fixed is if enough people scream about it, and I do make people scream.

The spits are good clean fun though, they are great without being imba.

 

[ZaneNBK]

People have been screaming about beautfighters being OP for a looong time.

 

[Genx87]

Oh I know about the OP claims. I have even said it over and over after facing them in historical battles. But I just never got into them until discovering that gem at T5. Everybody is running around with 7.7mm guns or maybe a single cannon. I get 4 20mms, turn on a dime, armored like a tank, and have a tail gunner. Think I avg around 10 kills a game with the thing.

 

[gorobei]

beaufighters are probably a tier or two too low. i frequently get matched against tier 6,7,8, or even 9 planes when i fly the t5 beau. the t5 mk.vic is slow and only outclimbs t2-3 fighter/bombers. at tiers6-9 any decent fighter will out turn it and wont be outrun/climbed even if the beau has a moderate energy advantage.

the main reason the beaufighter dominates in t5 or under servers is because 95% of the nubs playing dont bother to hunt down the beau at the start of the match. if you let a beau run with the pack during the initial scrim, it will kill steal or cannon snipe pilots in the furball all day. but as soon as you isolate and get on its tail with a decent t3 fighter(lagg,hurricane2,zero) the beau dies easily enough.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

At Tier 5 I've had more luck with russian IL2 than the beaufighter. I can't seem to get many kills with mine. I've seen others rock the beaufighters with good results but the handling on that plane just doesn't seem to work for me.

 

[gorobei]

1.37 patch going up on servers. supposed to be done by 6am pst

At Tier 5 I've had more luck with russian IL2 than the beaufighter. I can't seem to get many kills with mine. I've seen others rock the beaufighters with good results but the handling on that plane just doesn't seem to work for me.

the t5 beau turns better than most of the heavy fighters (except the ki45 maybe) and can maintain pure pursuit on most any fighter that has lost energy after joining the turning fest after the merge. you have to more or less find someone chasing someone else or BnZ onto their tail and wait for 400m to open up the guns. but whoever you go after has to not be paying attention.

 

[Ruptga]

People not paying attention has to be the number one source of kills for any plane, with simple incompetence a fairly close second.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

1.37 patch going up on servers. supposed to be done by 6am pst.

I wanted to take advantage of the current steam store discounts last night but figured I'd wait to see how the patch goes.....

Thanks for the update