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nRollo

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Originally posted by: n yusef
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I'm not the only one who is suspicious about you, Rollo. Buying an SLI set is one thing, but when a guy buys four, you start to think he's either an Bill Gates, or an idiot who thinks he's Bill Gates. Let's add:
3*5800U=$1200 (MSRPs)
2*6600GT=$400
2*6800NU=$600
2*6800GT=$800
+2*7800GTX=$1200
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$4200

Take of $700 for cheaper than MSRPs
=$3500

I've come to one of three conclusions:
1) You're a millionaire (unlikely)
2) You're lying (possible)
3) You get the cards for free/cheap from nVidia (most likely, since you have REFERENCE cards, which are hard to get retail)

One thing that I'm skeptical on, is that you have these SLI sets that are inferior to your (then best) 6800GTs, but you kept them anyway. Do you think $1000 is a good investment if all you do is benchmark for FREE (supposedly) on a message board?

How do you get all of these video cards that you have, and if you say that you pay full price for them, how much exactly do you make, and what do you do for a living (work at nVidia as the Anandtech Video troll?)

I've posted before saying that I can spend all of my money on video cards too, but I have another hobby, photography, which has me spending money on lenses, and now (I used to be a film guy, but I got a nice DSLR recently), an upgrade to my computer for Photoshop (when X2 prices come down, I plan on getting a 4400+ and another GB of RAM).

While this is just as (more, even, depending on what lenses you buy) expensive initially than your video card obsession, it's 1,000,000x more futureproof. I have some lenses that my dad used before I was born (1980), and they still work with my camera (albeit, with some feature missing--any lenses from the early 90s on are pretty much still good though). I'm sure when the 7800U comes out, you'll get an SLI set of those, and maybe 7800GTs and 7800NUs too.

I can't be the only one here who has started to see your blatant fanboyism to nVidia, and SLI in particular. It's come to a point where you post a thread about a game where you make NO snese. We all know that average FPS mean nothing, and minimums determine playability. For two 7800GTXs, at 1280*1024 4xAA/8xAF no soft shadows, it goes below 40FPS 36% of the time. This is not playable, and it isn't even 1600*1200. For $1200, I should be able to do that, shouldn't I? Since no otehr game out is even half as slow as this, and others look better, this shows how this game is so inefficiently coded, and will not sell well at all. For every gamer that has one 7800GTX, at lest 5,000 more don't. Any dimwitted developer know you have to code for the majority of consumers, not the five hundred people with $1200 video set ups.
/rant

LOL
What a crock.

Scenario Four:
My wife and I both earn enough to pay the mortgage/bills, so we have money left over to spend on hobbies.
:roll:

People make things out to be a lot more dramatic than they really are.

BTW- your "logic" is whack also.
I paid $350 for my first 5800NU. Sold it for $225. - net loss $125..
I paid $200 for my 5800OTES, DOA, was refunded $100 - net loss $100
I traded my 9800Pro for the 5800U, sold it for $150.- net loss $50 as I could have got $200 for the 9800Pro.
I paid $500 for 6800NU SLI, sold it for $450, net loss $50..
I paid $450 for my X800XTPE, sold it for $425, net loss $25..

Get the picture? $350 loss on SIX video cards? Not the $1000s you portray?

Your "reasoning" is pretty bad, don't you think?
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Nah...BF2 is more memory dependent. Acanthus had a thread on this... I'm fine with my "little" 6800NU and "little" 1280x1024 LCD.

The thing is, it's both. The benchmarks pretty clearly show BF2 and FEAR love the 7800, and have compromises in store for those who don't have one.
(unless they have SLI)

That's what this thread is about, not my W-2.

 

imported_X

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I realize this is off topic, but I'm curious where you sell your cards, Rollo. eBay, here at AT, elsewhere? I've never sold my old cards in the past and should probably consider it.
 

Creig

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: xtknight
Nah...BF2 is more memory dependent. Acanthus had a thread on this... I'm fine with my "little" 6800NU and "little" 1280x1024 LCD.

The thing is, it's both. The benchmarks pretty clearly show BF2 and FEAR love the 7800, and have compromises in store for those who don't have one.
(unless they have SLI)

That's what this thread is about, not my W-2.


That's funny, I thought it was simply about you finding another excuse to engage in your favorite pastime of ATI-bashing.


Originally posted by: Rollo
Where's all that "wonderful" ATI DX9 performance? 28 fps AVERAGE on a X850 XT PE, if you're lucky enough to have a FX55 pushing it? Uh Huh.

This game is basically unplayable on any ATI card at modern settings.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Rollo
The thing is, it's both. The benchmarks pretty clearly show . . . FEAR love the 7800, and have compromises in store for those who don't have one.
(unless they have SLI)

That's what this thread is about, not my W-2.
this thread is about nothing . . . F.E.A.R. may NEVER get released . . . just like STALKER - a 'no show' . . . or it could be utter garbage like Doom3 [which you never even bothered to finish - or can't] ;)
:roll:

perhaps you will like playing the FEAR beta benchmark over-and-over on your set-up
:thumbsdown:[/quote]

Originally posted by: Rollo

This game [F.E.A.R.] is basically unplayable on any card at modern settings.
[/quote]'fixed' for ya
:D
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: g33k
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
This thread proves that this a$$clown works with nVidia, how many times do I have to say it. He wants us to buy his POS products. Man from now on I'm only buying ATI video cards, Rollo just piss me of with he's stupid Anti-ATI thread. Go suck Jen-Hsun Huang solider if it makes you happy.

Rollo makes some valid points. And I've never seen him insult people, the way you just did. If you want the absolute best out there right now, than 7800 or 7800 sli is the way to go.

Valid points!!! This guy was trying to proof how the 5800U was superior to a 9800 pro! link

 

Newfie

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Those benchmarks don't make me want to buy the 7800gtx. Oh man, Id just love to blow my budget so I can get rid of a perfectly fine X800XL for a 7800gtx that costs like $400 more. Id be happy to play F.E.A.R (if I want to play it at all) on med settings. I'm don't a stickler for this stuff, its not the graphics that allow a game to be fun, its the gameplay. Guys, graphics aren't everything, if bucko wants to blow $1200 for the "Best" graphics, then let him be. Me, ill be happy with a X800XL, wether it be slow or fast, i don't give a rats AS*. None of you guys should be arguing over this. If you can play the game, be happy.

But in my opinion, the benchmarks from F.E.A.R dont justify the price of the 7800gtx. But thats My opinion
 

HDTVMan

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I guess I will be playing it at 160x120 interlaced. :)

Now is this a game developer problem or card manufacturing problem?

Is the game developer releasing the game too early before adequate hardware is available for thier title really limiting their market share?

Or should the developer be mad that video card companies dont drop the prices so that the market share is larger so they can get games like this out?

Game companies should make deals with card companies to get prices lower on next gen cards.
 

Newfie

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Originally posted by: HDTVMan
I guess I will be playing it at 160x120 interlaced. :)

Now is this a game developer problem or card manufacturing problem?

Is the game developer releasing the game too early before adequate hardware is available for thier title really limiting their market share?

Or should the developer be mad that video card companies dont drop the prices so that the market share is larger so they can get games like this out?

Game companies should make deals with card companies to get prices lower on next gen cards.


Wait till the full version of the game, then ask those questions. Its still BETA, so therefore the code may not be optimized.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: cbehnken
Originally posted by: bjc112
a 7800GTX @ 1600x1200 is only pulling 45?


Big deal...

That's not impressive at all.. Not for a brand new $600 release..

granted the last gen cards are struggling ( especially ATI ) 45 is nothing to be excited about..

I wonder why they only benched with 4x AA and 8x AF...

Yeah no sh!t rollo, if the new generation nvidia cards can barely play the game how can you expect last gen ATI cards to play it?


I don't personally care if last gen ATI can play it.

I posted this because:
A. A GITG title can't even be played on ATI hardware. (irony)
B. It's a good indication of why 7800s are a good buy and useful to have.

Look at all the TWIMTBP titles that were better on the 9800/x800 cards like UT2k4.


Watch the R520 come out before this game (if this review is any indication its in no condition to be released).
 

imported_Noob

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It has nothing to do with ATI Rollo. It's the massive amount of particle effects that lag the game. And there is always Crossfire when it becomes more available. So we all know you smart and all. But please don't be a fanboy. This is no suprise that it can't run on a single card at high settings and it's pretty predictable if people see the effects that go on in the gameplay. This all doesn't suprise me one bit. But you do know Rollo, that for a single card ATI is usually on top. No matter how few FPS it is ahead.
 

Drayvn

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: xtknight
Nah...BF2 is more memory dependent. Acanthus had a thread on this... I'm fine with my "little" 6800NU and "little" 1280x1024 LCD.

The thing is, it's both. The benchmarks pretty clearly show BF2 and FEAR love the 7800, and have compromises in store for those who don't have one.
(unless they have SLI)

That's what this thread is about, not my W-2.

BF2 and FEAR love the 7800?

Dont all games love every card?

Dont you mean BF2 and FEAR play better on the 7800. Which means that the 7800 is better performing. Which is quite obvious. As this is a new gen card with more pipes, more clock speeds, better architecture. It is obvious that the 7800 is going to be better than the older cards wouldnt you say?

So Rollo your just stating the obvious that the 7800 is better performing, when in fact everyone knew that.

And if a comparable ATi card comes out and plays this slightly better. Would that love BF2 and FEAR more?

My X850XT-PE can play BF2 with everything on High, 4xaa 1280x1024 at about 60 to 70 fps. I would say thats damn good.

 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: g33k
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
This thread proves that this a$$clown works with nVidia, how many times do I have to say it. He wants us to buy his POS products. Man from now on I'm only buying ATI video cards, Rollo just piss me of with he's stupid Anti-ATI thread. Go suck Jen-Hsun Huang solider if it makes you happy.

Rollo makes some valid points. And I've never seen him insult people, the way you just did. If you want the absolute best out there right now, than 7800 or 7800 sli is the way to go.

Valid points!!! This guy was trying to proof how the 5800U was superior to a 9800 pro! link


You're not very good at debate.

A. What exactly does a post from 3/12/04 have to do with this one?
B. I've never said a 5800 was superior to a 9800Pro, please quote anything I said in that thread which was either inaccurate, or would lead you to think I was saying that?
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Newfie
Those benchmarks don't make me want to buy the 7800gtx. Oh man, Id just love to blow my budget so I can get rid of a perfectly fine X800XL for a 7800gtx that costs like $400 more. Id be happy to play F.E.A.R (if I want to play it at all) on med settings.
Your inability to afford a $600 video card is no reason to come into the thread and talk smack about it? Many people can/do afford $600 graphics cards. If the benchmarks carry through to the retail version, the people who don't will be playing at greatly reduced IQ.
Your X800XL may be "perfectly fine" for you, but you shouldn't generalize to others. Some people like to play Riddick at decent fps, play SC:CT with the options on, in SM3, see HDR in Far Cry, and run BF2 at settings higher than you can handle.

I'm don't a stickler for this stuff, its not the graphics that allow a game to be fun, its the gameplay. Guys, graphics aren't everything, if bucko wants to blow $1200 for the "Best" graphics, then let him be.
Your argument is erroneous. You only differ from me on the amount you're willing to spend. Someone could say just as easily to you "$250 for a X800XL is NUTS! I play all my games just fine on a $150 6600GT! If you want to blow an extra $100 on a graphics card, go ahead!"

Me, ill be happy with a X800XL, wether it be slow or fast, i don't give a rats AS*. None of you guys should be arguing over this. If you can play the game, be happy.
That's nice, some of us want more out of our hobby. The only reason to buy any high end parts is higher settings and more speed. You settle for X800XL speed, I settle for 7800GTX SLI speed. No difference between us.

But in my opinion, the benchmarks from F.E.A.R dont justify the price of the 7800gtx. But thats My opinion
I'm personally looking forward to FEAR very much, it is the kind of game I like to play and looks awesome to me. For others who look forward to it as much as I do, the link to these benches could have been helpful. What if you didn't know about FS, had a X850XT PE, and were waiting for FEAR like it was your after prom hotel room? You get to the game, set it to 12X9 4X8X, watch it stutter and jerk, curse whatever gods you worship.

Now, what if you saw my post, saw those benches, went to EBAY and saw the last fifteen X850XT PEs sold for $412-$550, sold yours for $450, buy a 7800 for $600,and all of the sudden you have 33% better FEAR performance....much better BF2 performance...you own Riddick instead of it owning you....you play SC:CT in SM3 with HDR on, instead of crappy SM1.1.....you can check out Far Cry HDR at 12X10 0X8X....You can play Doom3/engine games much better.....you don't have to worry about other games being SM3 or SM1 only.......

Gee. I see what you mean. Why would anyone want a 7800? :roll:
 

Drayvn

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So Rollo in all those games you just mentioned like FEAR, BF2, Riddick, Doom 3.

All your getting is better performance. What a surprise. I think everyone knows if you get the latest and greatest, that usually means you get better performance.

Instead of just using the X850XT-PE as you bashing toy, why not stick in the 6800U and compare it to the other games. Youll get an increase in performance from FEAR, BF2 will run better, Riddick will run better, SC:CT will run better with all the options turned on. Far Cry is actually playable with HDR on with high res. Doom 3 will run better.

In fact Everything will run better. You know why? BECAUSE ITS A BETTER CARD. Where else would nVidia go. Make an even worse one. I dont think so.

So Thanks Rollo for stating the obvious that the 7800GTX is a better performing card, which has 8 more pipes, higher clocks, a fine tuned architecture, errors that have been solved. Using better technology. Smaller die size. Better cooling. Lower heat. Lower power consumption.

And again thanks. But we all knew this that the 7800GTX was going to perform better. The reason for this thread is then for?
 

jiffylube1024

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Times change... People don't.

This made me laugh the most:

Originally posted by: tRollo
Your inability to afford a $600 video card is no reason to come into the thread and talk smack about it? Many people can/do afford $600 graphics cards.

Same old Rollo. He's actually aging in reverse. Maybe next year he'll turn 12?
 

302efi

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ROFL :D

2 x 7800GTX... $1200

F.E.A.R....$49

...Rollo getting owned in this thread..Priceless

"For all the SLI Beta Testers , theres Nvidia. For everything else, theres ATI"
 

Newfie

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Newfie
Those benchmarks don't make me want to buy the 7800gtx. Oh man, Id just love to blow my budget so I can get rid of a perfectly fine X800XL for a 7800gtx that costs like $400 more. Id be happy to play F.E.A.R (if I want to play it at all) on med settings.stating my opinion, and my feeling towards the 7800gtx and F.E.A.R
Your inability to afford a $600 video card is no reason to come into the thread and talk smack about it? Many people can/do afford $600 graphics cards. If the benchmarks carry through to the retail version, the people who don't will be playing at greatly reduced IQ.
Your X800XL may be "perfectly fine" for you, but you shouldn't generalize to others. Some people like to play Riddick at decent fps, play SC:CT with the options on, in SM3, see HDR in Far Cry, and run BF2 at settings higher than you can handle. Im not trying to gerenalize anything, im trying to say that according to ME, the 7800gtx dont justify the $900 price tag (canadian). Also, I can afford it, I just have to save up for a few months, buy a cheaper processer, etc. Basically change my entire rig to get one video card, to ME its just not worth it

I'm don't a stickler for this stuff, its not the graphics that allow a game to be fun, its the gameplay. Guys, graphics aren't everything, if bucko wants to blow $1200 for the "Best" graphics, then let him be.
Your argument is erroneous. You only differ from me on the amount you're willing to spend. Someone could say just as easily to you "$250 for a X800XL is NUTS! I play all my games just fine on a $150 6600GT! If you want to blow an extra $100 on a graphics card, go ahead!" Thing is that the X800XL falls with in my budget. And why get a 6600GT? A ATI 9XXX or Nvidia FX card is great!

Me, ill be happy with a X800XL, wether it be slow or fast, i don't give a rats AS*. None of you guys should be arguing over this. If you can play the game, be happy.
That's nice, some of us want more out of our hobby. The only reason to buy any high end parts is higher settings and more speed. You settle for X800XL speed, I settle for 7800GTX SLI speed. No difference between us.

But in my opinion, the benchmarks from F.E.A.R dont justify the price of the 7800gtx. But thats My opinion
I'm personally looking forward to FEAR very much, it is the kind of game I like to play and looks awesome to me. For others who look forward to it as much as I do, the link to these benches could have been helpful. What if you didn't know about FS, had a X850XT PE, and were waiting for FEAR like it was your after prom hotel room? You get to the game, set it to 12X9 4X8X, watch it stutter and jerk, curse whatever gods you worship. note the bolded & underlined words, was I pointing it to you? no. Im just saying because the topic of the 7800gtx was brought up, I stated my opinion. Also, im NOT talking about a X850XT PE, where did you get this? Dude, I lived with a Geforce 2 MX (what Im currently usng now) for about 2-3 years. A X800XL is gonna make my eyes hurt (in a good way), thats good enough for me =D)

Now, what if you saw my post, saw those benches, went to EBAY and saw the last fifteen X850XT PEs sold for $412-$550, sold yours for $450, buy a 7800 for $600,and all of the sudden you have 33% better FEAR performance....much better BF2 performance...you own Riddick instead of it owning you....you play SC:CT in SM3 with HDR on, instead of crappy SM1.1.....you can check out Far Cry HDR at 12X10 0X8X....You can play Doom3/engine games much better.....you don't have to worry about other games being SM3 or SM1 only.......

Gee. I see what you mean. Why would anyone want a 7800? :roll: Considering a 7800GT is almost $1000 canadian, and a X800XL is about $400 canadian, a $500-600 price increase is not very cool. Plus im talking about a X800XL, where did the X850XT PE come in here?

 

ender11122

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I think you should change the title. You do not need to have 6800gt SLI in order to play the game. You only need it if you run a insanely high resolutions. This has always been the case so nothing is new. Last generation cards arent going to keep up with new generation cards, but that doesnt mean older cards cant be used.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Rollo

You're not very good at debate.

A. What exactly does a post from 3/12/04 have to do with this one?
B. I've never said a 5800 was superior to a 9800Pro, please quote anything I said in that thread which was either inaccurate, or would lead you to think I was saying that?

You claimed that you replaced a 5800U to a 9800 Pro and then you post it on the forums to tell us what?? :roll:
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Drayvn

The reason for this thread is then for?

Rollo: "nVidia is better than ATI, go wast your money on 7800GTX SLI so that I can enjoy more profit for me and my company."
 

Newfie

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Originally posted by: ender11122
I think you should change the title. You do not need to have 6800gt SLI in order to play the game. You only need it if you run a insanely high resolutions. This has always been the case so nothing is new. Last generation cards arent going to keep up with new generation cards, but that doesnt mean older cards cant be used.


ive been usin 1024x768 for years now with my good ol geforce 2 (in games like half-life of course). Ill up it to 1280x, never played a game at the resolution i think lol.
 

ssvegeta1010

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Sitting here, reading and laughing.

*Looks at my 5200Go laptop*

Well, time to play HL2 at 10x7 0xAA 2xAF and decent framerates.

Just to say, $300 is too much for a video card. We need to get the message to the companies that 2x $600 cards shouldnt be necessary.