Want to play around with a Mac...

[way]

Originally posted by: goku2100
These weren't questions really, I just thought quizzing would be fun. The first few were questions though, BMW doesn't have a high market share because they are expensive. But all servers are expensive as well and they have a relatively high market share. The 600macs is no surprise, what do you expect its the movie industry, they dont know better. I never denied macs being used in the entertainment industry but I have continue to state a company like IBM's website is NOT on mac servers despite them being thier processors. The hosting company is one of few who would do that, whether or not it was a smart decision, time will only tell. What expansion capabilities do you have with a mac? When a mac gets old, the only thing you really can do is put it in storage and let it collect dust or have it do simplier tasks. If apple was such a popular platform it wouldn't matter how much is sold. Still the MS OS makes the mac os like small peanuts. I think even Dell out sells apples macintosh platform because dell has the same appeal as do mac people, except some buy dell because of software compatibility.

A standard BMW 3-series is under $30k, just like the pricing for top of the line Honda and Toyota sedans., so you can't say that they are too or more expensive. And BMWs don't suck in quality because they have low market share, the same way Apple products don't suck simply because they have low market share.

Your assertion that "all servers are expensive" is false too. You get what you pay for. For example, Dell's low-end servers are the exact same as their workstations in price and quality.

goku, you first said that Macs suck because they have no market share and are functionally worthless. After we provided numerous examples (VT G5 supercluster, hosting company, various Linux distros, etc.) you counter by saying the entertainment industry doesn't know better, or the government is wasteful in spending, or time will tell if it was a smart decision for the hosting company to switch over to Mac. So which is it?

Here's an example of expansion capabilities on a Mac. The original Mac G4 Cube was 450 MHz. There are now CPU cards to upgrade the Cube to a 1.5 GHz G4. That's an increase of over 3x in clockspeed. In the PC world, when were you ever able to just swap out your CPU for one 3x faster, without also having to upgrade the motherboard and memory? If you check prices on used Macs, you'll see that they retain their value much longer than commodity PC hardware exactly because they're more useful than their PC counterparts.

If you want to argue the technical merits of Windows versus OS X, feel free to start talking. But I personally prefer Unix and I prefer a desktop environment with consistent human interface guidelines and hardware accelerated rendering, neither of which Windows offers. You may prefer Windows for other reasons but there is no way you can fairly dismiss OS X as trash.

You can't compare Apple and Dell since they're business strategies are totally different. Dell does not innovate at all and relies on volume in order to make money. Apple has a reputation of being hip, niche, and cool. Dell is none of those. People don't buy Dell because of it's awesome quality or software compatability or because it comes with Windows---they buy Dell because it's cheap.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Fanboys = Hilarity

- M4H

 

[shadowfaX]

hee hee... this is entertaining.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Hi,

If you are going to be doing mostly browsing, listening to music, word processing, then go for the iBook. As for gameplaying, the Powerbook would be better. The Powerbook comes with a way better video card, and more processing power. Video editing will also be faster on the Powerbook too. Check out the specs for both the laptops and see which one will better suit your needs.

http://www.apple.com/ibook/

http://www.apple.com/powerbook/

If I had to choose which one, I would go for the Powerbook, but thats just me.

May I add that the Mac OS is very easy to use. My older bro is a Die Hard PC user, and got used to the OS in a matter of minutes. Either the iBook and Powerbook will be a good choice for you. One thing I love about the mac is no viruses, spyware, etc. We disabled norton for 1 day on my bro's PC, and the next day he had 8 viruses. Check out http://www.apple.com/switch to see many people who have switched from the PC to the Mac. I'm not saying PC's are bad, but I have had a much better experience with a Mac.

Good luck with your decision.



I am a mac user.

lol, tell your bro to quit lookin at the pr0n sites. I never run any protection on my comp and I have never had a virus. I have found that the people that are prone to getting a virus/spyware, are the ones who click on everything they see at websites or open every email attachment.

Back on topic, I think my next laptop will be a mac. I want them for video/audio editing. I use final cut pro all the time at school and love it. PC could never offer the type of editing features a mac has. Then again, a mac will never replace my gaming rig.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: way

Originally posted by: goku2100
These weren't questions really, I just thought quizzing would be fun. The first few were questions though, BMW doesn't have a high market share because they are expensive. But all servers are expensive as well and they have a relatively high market share. The 600macs is no surprise, what do you expect its the movie industry, they dont know better. I never denied macs being used in the entertainment industry but I have continue to state a company like IBM's website is NOT on mac servers despite them being thier processors. The hosting company is one of few who would do that, whether or not it was a smart decision, time will only tell. What expansion capabilities do you have with a mac? When a mac gets old, the only thing you really can do is put it in storage and let it collect dust or have it do simplier tasks. If apple was such a popular platform it wouldn't matter how much is sold. Still the MS OS makes the mac os like small peanuts. I think even Dell out sells apples macintosh platform because dell has the same appeal as do mac people, except some buy dell because of software compatibility.

A standard BMW 3-series is under $30k, just like the pricing for top of the line Honda and Toyota sedans., so you can't say that they are too or more expensive. And BMWs don't suck in quality because they have low market share, the same way Apple products don't suck simply because they have low market share.

Your assertion that "all servers are expensive" is false too. You get what you pay for. For example, Dell's low-end servers are the exact same as their workstations in price and quality.

goku, you first said that Macs suck because they have no market share and are functionally worthless. After we provided numerous examples (VT G5 supercluster, hosting company, various Linux distros, etc.) you counter by saying the entertainment industry doesn't know better, or the government is wasteful in spending, or time will tell if it was a smart decision for the hosting company to switch over to Mac. So which is it?

Here's an example of expansion capabilities on a Mac. The original Mac G4 Cube was 450 MHz. There are now CPU cards to upgrade the Cube to a 1.5 GHz G4. That's an increase of over 3x in clockspeed. In the PC world, when were you ever able to just swap out your CPU for one 3x faster, without also having to upgrade the motherboard and memory? If you check prices on used Macs, you'll see that they retain their value much longer than commodity PC hardware exactly because they're more useful than their PC counterparts.

If you want to argue the technical merits of Windows versus OS X, feel free to start talking. But I personally prefer Unix and I prefer a desktop environment with consistent human interface guidelines and hardware accelerated rendering, neither of which Windows offers. You may prefer Windows for other reasons but there is no way you can fairly dismiss OS X as trash.

You can't compare Apple and Dell since they're business strategies are totally different. Dell does not innovate at all and relies on volume in order to make money. Apple has a reputation of being hip, niche, and cool. Dell is none of those. People don't buy Dell because of it's awesome quality or software compatability or because it comes with Windows---they buy Dell because it's cheap.

For that G5 Cube CPU upgrade, two words Powerleap adapter. Goto Powerleap.com and look for the Pentium II to Celeron 1.4GHZ Infact I have one right at home, I was able to upgrade my machine of 1998 to 2001 technology. BMWs are actually starting to lack in quality, I would much rather purchase a 30K toyota, honda etc. than purchase a 30K BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar or Lexus because when they are that cheap, the people buying them are purchasing just for the tag and not performance. No not all servers are expensive but then agian I can make the assertion that mac servers are overpriced for thier performance and lack of software support, you can't deny it that PCs support more software just an obvious fact. When people pick on the PC platform, they think they are picking on Windows but in actuality they are picking on all operating systems for the PC Platform including linux. Then agian linux runs on practically everything with a processor but that doesn't mean the apple platform is as powerful or as recent as the PC platform. The day some one can run 3DMark on a top of the line mac and the score *beats a top of the line PC score is the day I will stop making fun of mac people. Also BTW if they are the leader in graphics, why is it ATI just released the Radeon 9800PRo when that is already a year old?

Edit: just realized that I accidentally put Pioneer as it obviously doesn't make sense, changed to leader. Also the 3D Mark comment was a little vague, fixed it up.

 

[frazzled]

lol, tell your bro to quit lookin at the pr0n sites. I never run any protection on my comp and I have never had a virus. I have found that the people that are prone to getting a virus/spyware, are the ones who click on everything they see at websites or open every email attachment.

Ah, but you probably are in a small minority when it comes to virus/spyware/adware . I spend way too much time having to purge my student's PCs of that crap (and the pr0n sites are not accessible here). I think the "fast clickers" get nailed pretty often, pop-up blockers help quite a bit, it's all too easy to hit the wrong part of a pop-up window. I have never had a virus either...but I am *very* careful, most people are not and if you have to administer other folk's machines.... no fun at all. My daughter's decision to use an iBook for high school has certainly decreased my maintenance workload.

Back on topic, I think my next laptop will be a mac. I want them for video/audio editing. I use final cut pro all the time at school and love it. PC could never offer the type of editing features a mac has. Then again, a mac will never replace my gaming rig.

That was my progression exactly. FCP (and FCE for that matter) are a joy to work with. And in my house, even before the main workstation was switched to a G5 we kept a souped up PC *just* for games, we still have it. In my case, the main machine is used for mostly photography and some video. Since it usually had the fastest processor and a ton of RAM my son liked to use it for FPS games. The only problem was that he was always trying out new video drivers and tweaking things. It wreaked havoc with my fully calibrated photo setup ....so we built a separate PC for games that he could mess with to his heart's content. This has worked out well and thus the eventual switch to the G5 was a breeze.... it's always nice to match the tool to the job.

Enjoy your Mac laptop, do you know which one you're going with?

fraz

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: goku2100
The day some one can run 3DMark on a mac and the score *beats a PC score is the day I will stop making fun of mac people. Also BTW if they are the pioneer in graphics, why is it ATI just released the Radeon 9800PRo when that is already a year old?

Most people stop when their credibility hits rock-bottom. You, on the other hand, have busted out a pickaxe and continued on. Kudos.

- M4H

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Ok, I am back. I was having problems loging in, so I could not reply.
Anyways.

When goku said:

originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
quote:

So what if I am 13.


My point exactally, you have clearly not grownup yet. Look I have already listed software but because your not actually trying to figure this out and instead are trying to appeal to an audience, your simply repeating your self and making statements about how I lack evidence. I feel like I have been in the spot light too long and it's time for little timmy to go up to the podium. You have had your chance to stand off to the side making comments to me while I was in the spot light but now I think its time for YOU to answer some questions. When you start to ask your self these questions, you will soon realize that your wrong and hopefully you will learn from this experience.

You have obviously missed what I meant when I said "So what if I am 13." This means that age has nothing to do with what we are arguing about. I am trying to figure out why you bought up age in the first place. And when you say I have not grown up yet, I have grown up a long time before you, because I gave up on insulting people with immature comments like "LOOSER" and moron, and making immature jokes.

And when you say you have listed software, you did not. You only mentioned TYPES of software, but failed to list what software you are reffering to, because whatever software you name will be on the Mac or there will be a substitute for it. And yes, you do lack evidence, because you never proved any of what you said. All your postings in this thread were your opinions, or made up on the top of your head, because you had no argument.

Your questions when you had me in the spotlight have already been answered.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Ok, I am back. I was having problems loging in, so I could not reply.
Anyways.

When goku said:

originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
quote:

So what if I am 13.


My point exactally, you have clearly not grownup yet. Look I have already listed software but because your not actually trying to figure this out and instead are trying to appeal to an audience, your simply repeating your self and making statements about how I lack evidence. I feel like I have been in the spot light too long and it's time for little timmy to go up to the podium. You have had your chance to stand off to the side making comments to me while I was in the spot light but now I think its time for YOU to answer some questions. When you start to ask your self these questions, you will soon realize that your wrong and hopefully you will learn from this experience.

You have obviously missed what I meant when I said "So what if I am 13." This means that age has nothing to do with what we are arguing about. I am trying to figure out why you bought up age in the first place. And when you say I have not grown up yet, I have grown up a long time before you, because I gave up on insulting people with immature comments like "LOOSER" and moron, and making immature jokes.

And when you say you have listed software, you did not. You only mentioned TYPES of software, but failed to list what software you are reffering to, because whatever software you name will be on the Mac or there will be a substitute for it. And yes, you do lack evidence, because you never proved any of what you said. All your postings in this thread were your opinions, or made up on the top of your head, because you had no argument.

Your questions when you had me in the spotlight have already been answered.

No the reason why you didn't reply was because you had nothing to say, even now you have nothing to attack me with except the fact you repeat your self saying "I did not say this" and other bull. Have you heard of the software FAST TRAK? BLOOMBERG? Bear Sterns software? Probably not, they are software programs that will NOT run on a mac. If you want a job in the stock market or venture captialism then this software is a must, you may not need bear sterns software if your not working for bear sterns but it's a very good example what platform specific software companies deploy on many computers. You still have not grown up, your desperately trying to act mature to convince people here you are not 13 when it's clear you are. Your excuses for macs lacking software is: "well there are substitutes" yes there may be substitues just like a substitute for milk when making cereal and because the milk is out, try the"great substitute" WATER or APPLE JUICE! Question is, is it a very GOOD substitute! To Prove your point, you probably would say those are good subsitutions, for me I'd rather stick with milk and go to the store or wait until we get some more milk.

You look up to hippies and people who think they are all cool/different but instead are just loosers like you. You are a looser you are a moron and your a hippie, IMO people who preach about macs and b!tches at every one who uses a PC is just as big of a moron as you. I really hate kids and you've made me hate them more, I was neutral about not wanting to have kids when I get married but after dealing with a little pr!ck like you I think I may never have kids because I wouldn't want to bring into the world or at least risk bringing into the world a bastard like you. Kid, get a life or a brain (which ever comes first, hopefully a brain) and ditch that sh!tty mac and get a PC or just stop preaching your so called "wisdom" and spare everyone the sh!t that spews out of your mouth. Nobody wants to hear you ranting, just Shut the Fvck up! :| :| *Grinds teeth*

 

[imported_goku]

Edit: It repeated my post... Well I wont be surprised if he pulls the old "You have failed to answer my main question. What software on the PC is there that wont run on the mac?" or the like.

LOCK LOCK LOCK! LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE THIS CHILD CAUSES ANY MORE HARM!

 

[imported_Lucifer]

No the reason why you didn't reply was because you had nothing to say, even now you have nothing to attack me with except the fact you repeat your self saying "I did not say this" and other bull.

The reason you said this is because you have no argument.

You still have not grown up, your desperately trying to act mature to convince people here you are not 13 when it's clear you are. Your excuses for macs lacking software is: "well there are substitutes"

How do you know I am 13? Quote me on something where I have acted immature. I can quote you on something on most your postings on how you acted childish. Even in my "Pentium vs. AMD" thread. The reasons I said there are substitutes because of your failure to answer my software questions. When I ask you what software you are talking about, your replies are either "tons of software" or office applications. Until you tell me what software you are talking about, I will tell you if it is on the mac or if there is a substitute. Your only answer to my software is Fast trak, Bloomberg and bear sterns software. How about naming some consumer software other than corperation software. Are those your only answers to my software question?

yes there is a substitute for milk when making cereal and the milk is out, WATER or APPLE JUICE! Question is, is it a very GOOD substitute!

How about we stay on topic and not talk about cereal.

You look up to hippies and people who think they are all cool/different but instead are just loosers like you. You are a looser you are a moron and your a hippie, IMO people who preach about macs and b!tches at every one who uses a PC is just as big of a moron as you. I really hate kids and you've made me hate them more, I was neutral about not wanting to have kids when I get married but after dealing with a little pr!ck like you I think I may never have kids because I wouldn't want to bring into the world or at least risk bringing into the world a bastard like you. Kid, get a life or a brain (which ever comes first, hopefully a brain) and ditch that sh!tty mac and get a PC or just stop preaching your so called "wisdom" and spare everyone the sh!t that spews out of your mouth. Nobody wants to hear you ranting, Shut the fvck up! *Grinds teeth*

Why are you calling me immature? I am going to quote that again, so you can read it again, and maybe you will think twice about calling me immature.

You look up to hippies and people who think they are all cool/different but instead are just loosers like you. You are a looser you are a moron and your a hippie, IMO people who preach about macs and b!tches at every one who uses a PC is just as big of a moron as you. I really hate kids and you've made me hate them more, I was neutral about not wanting to have kids when I get married but after dealing with a little pr!ck like you I think I may never have kids because I wouldn't want to bring into the world or at least risk bringing into the world a bastard like you. Kid, get a life or a brain (which ever comes first, hopefully a brain) and ditch that sh!tty mac and get a PC or just stop preaching your so called "wisdom" and spare everyone the sh!t that spews out of your mouth. Nobody wants to hear you ranting, Shut the fvck up! *Grinds teeth*

Also, as I stressed so many times, STAY ON TOPIC. Why do you add random stuff to your arguments? I dont care about you getting married, I dont care about milk and cereal, I dont care about people you have drove to their knees. This is all irrelevant. I am ranting. When I rant, I stay on topic. I dont change the subject and start talking about cereal and talking about marriage.

Until you learn to stop changing the subject, and ranting about nonsense, and answering my software question, feel free to post again.

 

[ShinKen]

Originally posted by: goku2100
Nobody wants to hear you ranting, Shut the fvck up! :| :| *Grinds teeth*

funny that is what I was thinking about you after reading this thread. Since you dislike macs so much why are you spending so much time and energy posting your nonsense for all to see?!

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Edit: It repeated my post... Well I wont be surprised if he pulls the old "You have failed to answer my main question. What software on the PC is there that wont run on the mac?" or the like.

The reason I continue to ask is because your only answer is Bloomberg Fast Track and bear sterns. That is your only answer to the question. How about naming some consumer software? What are the odds that most PC users are going to be using "Bloomberg, Fast Track and bear sterns"?

 

[imported_goku]

Clearly a 13 year old with ADD, now some will ask how are you able to correlate this uninformed retarded 13yr old and add. Well normally people with ADD will have trouble paying attention or other learning disabilites but sometimes they will exert exteme attention to something, in this case macs, infact just like my cousin. You are so dedicated to your obsolete proprietary inferior software/hardware that you will continue to attack others who disagree with you until they tire and give up. Just like my little cousin, so persistant that macs are good and he will continue to irritate you until you walk away. This is entirely useless because only mac fan boi's are here and no PC users are here to defend me because they were scared off with the title :Want to play around with a mac...

It is very clear that there is no convincing you that your a moron, your happy with your crappy mac and I guess I can see why. Because you dont have to configure it, it comes out of the box ready and because of limited software library, it is less likely to have any incompatibilites. Is is stable? Nope, relatively more unstable than a PC for how little software there is. I have given you examples and those are the ones I know, I dont work at fortune 500 companies so I dont know the specific names of software that they use. Have I seen many instances where if you had a mac and wanted to work at that company you would be turned away/forced to get a PC, yup. Have I seen software that is so unique that I didn't even know it's use, yup. Does any of this software created by the company for its employees run on macs, nope. Here is one more example of software that doesn't run on the mac, AUTO CAD.

These references may seem insignifcant for you because as a 13 year old who has no need for this software but if you do grow up and do get a real job, you will soon be facing the fact that your crappy little apple computer simply wont run the software you need to run. For the typical couple/home user doing simple things like checking E-mail and other stereo typical crap and no game playing then yeah the mac is an ok platform. Is it great? IMO there are better alternatives, in this case Windows. If linux gains more popularity, then I will eventually switch to the linux platform since I can keep my old harware. Once you have a job that requires a high end system or special software designed by that company, then your in trouble and likely have to use a pc. I have given you evidence to why I believe and so many more users believe that PCs ARE the platform to have, its what you do with information that will change your beliefs or ideas about basic computing. I have posted quite enough and I have really lost my patience, you being 13 years old only aggravates the situation. Only apple fans exsist in this thread and I am done, when I was in the intelVSamd thread I was with reasonable/educated people but the more I have talked to you, the more irrational I have realized mac fans are. Get some sleep kid and an education, hopefully you will grow up to a good/reasonable person, I can only hope. Good night.

Edit: Macs may have recently become easier and more "friendly" to the typical moron, but then agian would the typical moron tweak his computer? Likely not, people buy macs because they dont have to configure them, can you configure a mac? Not really, if you want a flexible platform that has limitless possibilites to tweaking to suit your needs, then get a pc. If something pisses you off on a mac but too lazy to change it, then stay with it. In general mac people are not tweakers but simply unintelligent users. And you know what, I think they're happy with it. If they are happy, then I'm happy just dont bug me when things go wrong or it pisses you off.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Clearly a 13 year old with ADD, now some will ask how are you able to correlate this uninformed retarded 13yr old and add. Well normally people with ADD will have trouble paying attention or other learning disabilites but sometimes they will exert exteme attention to something, in this case macs, infact just like my cousin. You are so dedicated to your obsolete proprietary inferior software/hardware that you will continue to attack others who disagree with you until they tire and give up. Just like my little cousin, so persistant that macs are good and he will continue to irritate you until you walk away. This is entirely useless because only mac fan boi's are here and no PC users are here to defend me because they were scared off with the title :Want to play around with a mac...

What is the point of this? Are you hurting inside? You are constantly calling me immature names, trying to offend me, and then telling me to grow up?

It is very clear that there is no convincing you that your a moron, your happy with your crappy mac and I guess I can see why. Because you dont have to configure it, it comes out of the box ready and because of limited software library, it is less likely to have any incompatibilites. Is is stable? Nope, relatively more unstable than a PC for how little software there is. I have given you examples and those are the ones I know, I dont work at fortune 500 companies so I dont know the specific names of software that they use. Have I seen many instances where if you had a mac and wanted to work at that company you would be turned away/forced to get a PC, yup. Have I seen software that is so unique that I didn't even know it's use, yup. Does any of this software created by the company for its employees run on macs, nope. Here is one more example of software that doesn't run on the mac, AUTO CAD.

Wow, you said one more software. I said consumer software. You dont use a mac, so you cant make the assumption "Because you dont have to configure it, it comes out of the box ready and because of limited software library, it is less likely to have any incompatibilites. Is is stable? Nope, relatively more unstable than a PC for how little software there is." Are you going to continue to bash a product you dont use?

These references may seem insignifcant for you because as a 13 year old who has no need for this software but if you do grow up and do get a real job, you will soon be facing the fact that your crappy little apple computer simply wont run the software you need to run. For the typical couple/home user doing simple things like checking E-mail and other stereo typical crap and no game playing then yeah the mac is an ok platform. Is it great? IMO there are better alternatives, in this case Windows. If linux gains more popularity, then I will eventually switch to the linux platform since I can keep my old harware. Once you have a job that requires a high end system or special software designed by that company, then your in trouble and likely have to use a pc. I have given you evidence to why I believe and so many more users believe that PCs ARE the platform to have, its what you do with information that will change your beliefs or ideas about basic computing. I have posted quite enough and I have really lost my patience, you being 13 years old only aggravates the situation. Only apple fans exsist in this thread and I am done, when I was in the intelVSamd thread I was with reasonable/educated people but the more I have talked to you, the more irrational I have realized mac fans are. Get some sleep kid and an education, hopefully you will grow up to a good/reasonable person, I can only hope. Good night.

Can you please prove that I am 13? You are constantly saying that I am 13. Can you please quote me on where I have acted immature? The rest of your rant is opinionated, and you cannot win the argument if you constantly throw in what you think.

Its funny how you continue calling me 13, telling me to grow up, get an education, calling me a moron, making immature jokes, calling me a "looser" calling my computer crappy, and saying I have ADD. I dont understand why you are telling me to grow up, when the only person here acting immature is you. Re read all your posts. Then read mine, and quote me on one time where I have acted immature.

 

[imported_goku]

I hate children, especially you. Keep yaking, eventually you'll hit 1000 posts.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Anything you would like to add?

 

[imported_goku]

I hate Children
Thin Lizzy is a child
I hate thin lizzy.

Mac people are stupid
I hate stupid people
I hate mac people

Mac people are irrational
thin lizzy is a mac person
thin lizzy is irrational

13 year olds are uneducated
thin lizzy is 13 years old
thin lizzy is uneducated

children have no pubes
thin lizzy has no pubes
thin lizzy is a child

yup thats about it, BTW sooner or later or already the consumer like to play games. Macs have no games, so the consumer wont buy a mac. Niether would I

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Speaking of childish behavior, your personal attacks against Mac users are off topic and about as childish as anything posted on these forums. Please spend a week elsewhere growing up.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[imported_Lucifer]

I hate Children
Thin Lizzy is a child
I hate thin lizzy.

Mac people are stupid
I hate stupid people
I hate mac people

Mac people are irrational
thin lizzy is a mac person
thin lizzy is irrational

13 year olds are uneducated
thin lizzy is 13 years old
thin lizzy is uneducated

children have no pubes
thin lizzy has no pubes
thin lizzy is a child

How do you feel now? Feel any better? Keep those immature comments coming. Shows how much you have grown up. And I quote you once again.

I hate Children
Thin Lizzy is a child
I hate thin lizzy.

Mac people are stupid
I hate stupid people
I hate mac people

Mac people are irrational
thin lizzy is a mac person
thin lizzy is irrational

13 year olds are uneducated
thin lizzy is 13 years old
thin lizzy is uneducated

children have no pubes
thin lizzy has no pubes
thin lizzy is a child

And I ask you again. Quote me on when I said something immature.

BTW sooner or later or already the consumer like to play games. Macs have no games, so the consumer wont buy a mac

You cant prove this. You are probably hurting inside, so you decide to post nonsense.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: frazzled

That was my progression exactly. FCP (and FCE for that matter) are a joy to work with. And in my house, even before the main workstation was switched to a G5 we kept a souped up PC *just* for games, we still have it. In my case, the main machine is used for mostly photography and some video. Since it usually had the fastest processor and a ton of RAM my son liked to use it for FPS games. The only problem was that he was always trying out new video drivers and tweaking things. It wreaked havoc with my fully calibrated photo setup ....so we built a separate PC for games that he could mess with to his heart's content. This has worked out well and thus the eventual switch to the G5 was a breeze.... it's always nice to match the tool to the job.

Enjoy your Mac laptop, do you know which one you're going with?

fraz

Right now I have a hp 1.7 ghz centrino laptop, but I rarely use it. My sister is always using it so I think my dad will probably buy it off of me and I will get a mac later on. I sell comps at compusa and we have a mac section with a rep always there. He told me I should wait for the G5 laptop so I will probably end up doing that.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: goku2100
I hate Children
Thin Lizzy is a child
I hate thin lizzy.

Mac people are stupid
I hate stupid people
I hate mac people

Mac people are irrational
thin lizzy is a mac person
thin lizzy is irrational

13 year olds are uneducated
thin lizzy is 13 years old
thin lizzy is uneducated

children have no pubes
thin lizzy has no pubes
thin lizzy is a child

yup thats about it, BTW sooner or later or already the consumer like to play games. Macs have no games, so the consumer wont buy a mac. Niether would I

Quoted in case of edit.

Let's see, games. Halo, UT2K4, World of Warcraft ... yeah, those don't count.

Hey, here's a great application that runs on Mac - Virtual PC.

- M4H

 

[radiocore]

I love my G4 Powerbook. I have a PC i use for games. But I don't play games as much as I use to due to work. But I do use my Powerbook everyday. =)

Back to the original post.

Originally posted by: y2jdmbfan
Guys,


I've been very interested in getting an iBook or PowerBook to play around with. I really like the GUI on the OS and want to get to know Macs a little bit better. I want something small, I have a PC Dell laptop that I share with my Dad on occasion, it's his, but I can use it when I want. I'd like to check out a small compact Mac with power, something that will run the OS smoothly with all the fancy effects in Panther, but also that won't break the bank. I'll be doing mostly browsing/listening to music/some word processing/maybe some game playing/video editing. Some suggestions on where to start would be helpful. Budget is around $1000-$1500.

Thanks,

Y2J

I'd prolly go with an ibook for that budget. Sounds perfect for what you are planning to do. =)

 

[way]

Hey goku,

Check these two articles out:

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/36120.html
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/36964.html

How would you respond to his assertions and provided evidence that Mac hardware is less expensive and better performing than PC hardware?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: way
Hey goku,

Check these two articles out:

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/36120.html
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/36964.html

How would you respond to his assertions and provided evidence that Mac hardware is less expensive and better performing than PC hardware?

Personally, I'd respond with "I can personally build my own computer from the parts I choose. Can you?"

He's foolishly assuming that Dell Knows Best when it comes to price/performance - and as the posts in Hot Deals show, Dell is best at knowing how to dish out dirt-cheap machines that are used as the barebones for upgrades.

But to get back on topic: iBook with a student discount.

- M4H

 

[CombatChuk]

Originally posted by: radiocore
I love my G4 Powerbook. I have a PC i use for games. But I don't play games as much as I use to due to work. But I do use my Powerbook everyday. =)

Back to the original post.

Originally posted by: y2jdmbfan
Guys,


I've been very interested in getting an iBook or PowerBook to play around with. I really like the GUI on the OS and want to get to know Macs a little bit better. I want something small, I have a PC Dell laptop that I share with my Dad on occasion, it's his, but I can use it when I want. I'd like to check out a small compact Mac with power, something that will run the OS smoothly with all the fancy effects in Panther, but also that won't break the bank. I'll be doing mostly browsing/listening to music/some word processing/maybe some game playing/video editing. Some suggestions on where to start would be helpful. Budget is around $1000-$1500.

Thanks,

Y2J

I'd prolly go with an ibook for that budget. Sounds perfect for what you are planning to do. =)

I'd also say an iBook, make sure you have enough for AppleCare since it's especially handy for first-time Apple Users.