Want to play around with a Mac...

[DavLucMac]

Goku - When your medulla stops tripping all over your ego and making an ass of you, pick up the pieces, take them back to school and learn logic, argument, and persuasive speech. When you're done, leave the kiddy punk attitude on the front porch and feel free to have an educated, intelligent and open conversation with those of us who DO know what we're talking about. Your previous posts brought clearly to mind a proverb you should learn by your own volition before it's slapped into you in a more serious place.

You have two ears and one mouth. Listen twice as much as you talk.

Be gone with you until you want to sit here and talk like a grown person.

~Dav

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Justin216
These, in retrospect, are to be considered my opinions on the matters at hand.
-Justin

That quote I'm sure will save you time and aggravation. But I will still debate what you have post earlier (beginning of post).

Your right I guess when you say that macs aren't used by most people to check thier e-mails because it is true that most studios make movies on macs, but what is true is that the typical consumer will find very little to do on thier machine besides what QVC says you can do on your PC. Macs are only used in the entertainment sector because in the beginning macs were the first (not really but on a pretty big scale) to pioneer the GUI operating system. Showing off thier graphics and how it was so special, so as time progressed companies realized they should start making software in video and graphics and watnot. Then the PC started to innovate in a GUI operating system (agian its more complicated than that) with CGA Graphics and EGA so soon it really got split. But since the mac companies didn't want to switch, they stayed with the mac platform. So eventually the movie companies have started to do CGI on macs and all graphics editing. Now studios are realizing PCs are a very good alternative, they are starting to do all graphics editing on the pc as well, like shrek 2 which was rendered on an HP. (I think shrek 1 was rendered on a pc but I dont know)

Now about the XBOX, ok you know and I know that MS's biggest competition is the PS2. Well we all know that the idea behind the XBOX was better graphics well this was MS's intention. So when the XBOX came out, people really didn't care too much for it because of lack of games. Despite MS's idea that better everything would = a better console (Hence more people would want it) they continued to boast about it but still today it's no where near as popular as the PS2. Why? Because lack of games, it's so obvious that this was MS's intention that they used an NVIDIA card in the console because NVIDIA was the Shiite then and used a fast PIII because that would appeal to more people. Well this is MS doing it agian, this time they are using ATI, Why? Because ATI is the SHIITE now and NIVDIA wasn't able to pump out enough chips to fill MS's demand. Since the intel processor didn't work out for MS's XBOX they are trying something new. They are still going to stick with the (Faster is better) and not the game library, so to summ it up, it's really just MS desperate attempt to get more customers. BTW I have an XBOX and PS2 at home and I got to say the PS2 is played way more than the XBOX because the XBOX lacks games.

Studios and Audio professionals are stuck with macs not because of quality of software really, or that macs have great video/audio cards but because thier software is on there. They already have Adobe Premiere Pro on the PC that is really kicking butt, but all they need now is an Audio equivalent from mac to the PC. Once both are on the PC, apple will loose a very large segment of thier market share. Like from 3% to .1%.

Agian this is all my opinion, I do know that you can do all those things as listed above but for the most part people won't because they are not willing to fork out 600$ to 1K+ just to do those things. For those too lazy to scoll up and read earlier posts, I will repeat it and add more. My cousin, a halfwit moron with ADD (probably ADHD as well) convinced his dad to buy 2 mac computers. 1 Emac and 1 Imac, the Imac was of course for himself and the Emac for his little brother. Now it would seem all is good because macs are so simple, well its NOT! They continuously fight over mac parts because my older cousin keeps stealing his little brothers keyboard and mice etc. because he broke it himself. So now the Emac doesn't work at all because my older cousin keeps fiddling around with it when he clearly doesn't know what he is doing and now the Emac is just lying around collecting dust. Now I normally wouldn't be so angered by this because my cousin's were normally considered rich (very long story) but now they are having money woes because they have spent most of it. Such big problems they consider selling the house. So 3K down the drain, 1 computer doing a very good job at collecting dust and another used rarely. The Imac (used rarely) is never ever used for "graphics editing, Video editing or Audio editing" like so many mac users boast, its used for simple HTML editing and E-mail/Surfing/Chatting. IT was such a waste of money and my uncle soon realized why, I decided to build them a high end P4 which they are happily using now.

BTW before the macs were purchased, they had 4 pcs, 2 in use and 2 collecting dust. The 2 in use were relatively new machines, an Athlon 1GHZ and a Penitum III 1GHZ. Talk about waste of money.

So for those who have already purchased thousands of dollars worth of software for your mac and spent hundreds of dollars "upgrading" your mac to suit your needs, then I can most definately see why you shouldn't move to pcs. You invested a lot of money and if the software you bought is for work, then I'm sure it wont be replaced for quite a while. But for those who are new to computers or their machine is not working/have already invested into machine/software then DONT switch to macs because all of your software will be incompatible and you will have to invest more money just for the different platform.

And I close.

 

[imported_goku]

It's very clear to who is a mac person and who is not.

 

[addragyn]

Damn that was an exhaustively complete thread crapping...

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Yes you actually did say Macs are for everyone but because you don't realize this, your a bigger moron than originally anticipated. I did name software that macs can't use but you keep on asking me what software they can't use, entirely stupid and pointless when I have answered it already. I never said you can't overclock a mac but what I did say was that I have never in my entire life seen a mac overclocked by 1GHZ like a Pc has with Aircooling! Here are the primary uses of a computer:

I never said Macs are for everyone. I said they can be for everyone. And whats with the name calling? Grow up. You never named any software at all. Your reply was "Tons of software" That is all. That does not tell me ANY specific programs. Please tell me what programs you are talking about. This is the 3rd or 4th time you have failed to answer my question. And when you said you have never seen a mac overclocked by 1 GHz like a PC that has air cooling, you obviously have never used a mac. When you buy processor upgrade cards that are BELOW 1GHz, say a 933 or an 867, it is possible to upgrade them HIGHER than 1GHz. You dont use a mac, and probably have never used one.

1. Graphics/Audio/Video Editing (Pcs do a better job than mac people will admit to)
2. Office- Trading, spread sheets, Databases, data center, presentations, auto cad, word documents, accounting, so many more office stuff etc.
3. Gaming - High End, Low End, Mid End
4. light use/home use - websurfing, e-mail, simple word documents, maybe picture editing etc.
5. Servers - Pretty much covers that.
6. Extended processes -Human Genome Project, Prime 95, Seti etc.

Ok, for number one. When you say PC's do a better job than mac people will admit it too. That is your opinion. You continue to argue with me with YOUR opinions. Stop saying your opinions. This is something YOU CANNOT BACKUP.

#2 Office- All that can be found in Microsoft Office for Mac, Filemaker Pro, Quiken, etc.
#3 They have Games for Macs. High end, Low end, Mid End
#4 Light Use. Why "maybe" picture editing? Are you saying that hardly anybody uses their computer for picture editing?
#5 Servers. Apple makes the Xserve
#6 Extended Processes. That kind of stuff can be found on Macs too. Look it up.

PCs with out a doubt will do 1-6 easy as pie. Macs can do 1 and 4 but others not really/at all. There is no reason to spend more money for a mac when for a lower price and higher performance you can get a pc. Macs are clearly not for the office environment as they have no real networking capabilities IE Domains, gaming is a clear no! They have a few games barely any, mac servers in use are pratically non exsistant, extended processes I have never heard of macs doing, and 1. and 4. is all I know macs CAN do. But a PC just can do everything better so why get a mac when you can get a PC? PCs acutally have good sound cards/video cards while macs have integrated/generic. So a mac really comes down to looks, software you already have, being used to them and a simple featureless machine.

That is your opinion. Your posts are all opinionated. You cant win an argument, if you continue to say your opinions, because you cannot back them up, as you failed to do so, so many times.

Also one more thing, don't tell me a 200MHZ machintosh is faster than a Pentium 200 or a 100MHZ/166MHZ machintosh is faster than a 100/166MHz Pentium, because in reality they are much slower. I have used 100MHZ Macs that performed like 386s or slower, just utter crap. I will never purchase a mac simply because of the OS, infact the only time I WOULD buy a mac is just to install Windows NT 4.0

Care to back this up? I highly doubt you have had any experience with a Mac. And that is fact. And if you want me to back this up, I sure as hell will, as I can.

Agian Summed up macs are for: People who want an overpriced web browser, to encode video but dont know about PCs yet, a pretty machine, a simple machine with little functionality, a computer to say that you have one.

Again, here you go with your opinions. And what little functionality are you talking about? Back this up please.

So to sum everything up for you goku: Your whole argument consists of opinions which you cannot prove. And you have failed to answer many of my questions. You have NO experience with a mac what so ever. ALMOST ALL of what you said is not fact, but stuff you made up from the top of your head, because you cannot keep an argument going. Lose the opinions, and say stuff you can prove.

P.S. Remeber, "Tons of Software" does not count as naming specific software. Keep that in mind.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Yes you actually did say Macs are for everyone but because you don't realize this, your a bigger moron than originally anticipated. I did name software that macs can't use but you keep on asking me what software they can't use, entirely stupid and pointless when I have answered it already. I never said you can't overclock a mac but what I did say was that I have never in my entire life seen a mac overclocked by 1GHZ like a Pc has with Aircooling! Here are the primary uses of a computer:

I never said Macs are for everyone. I said they can be for everyone. And whats with the name calling? Grow up. You never named any software at all. Your reply was "Tons of software" That is all. That does not tell me ANY specific programs. Please tell me what programs you are talking about. This is the 3rd or 4th time you have failed to answer my question. And when you said you have never seen a mac overclocked by 1 GHz like a PC that has air cooling, you obviously have never used a mac. When you buy processor upgrade cards that are BELOW 1GHz, say a 933 or an 867, it is possible to upgrade them HIGHER than 1GHz. You dont use a mac, and probably have never used one.

1. Graphics/Audio/Video Editing (Pcs do a better job than mac people will admit to)
2. Office- Trading, spread sheets, Databases, data center, presentations, auto cad, word documents, accounting, so many more office stuff etc.
3. Gaming - High End, Low End, Mid End
4. light use/home use - websurfing, e-mail, simple word documents, maybe picture editing etc.
5. Servers - Pretty much covers that.
6. Extended processes -Human Genome Project, Prime 95, Seti etc.

Ok, for number one. When you say PC's do a better job than mac people will admit it too. That is your opinion. You continue to argue with me with YOUR opinions. Stop saying your opinions. This is something YOU CANNOT BACKUP.

#2 Office- All that can be found in Microsoft Office for Mac, Filemaker Pro, Quiken, etc.
#3 They have Games for Macs. High end, Low end, Mid End
#4 Light Use. Why "maybe" picture editing? Are you saying that hardly anybody uses their computer for picture editing?
#5 Servers. Apple makes the Xserve
#6 Extended Processes. That kind of stuff can be found on Macs too. Look it up.

PCs with out a doubt will do 1-6 easy as pie. Macs can do 1 and 4 but others not really/at all. There is no reason to spend more money for a mac when for a lower price and higher performance you can get a pc. Macs are clearly not for the office environment as they have no real networking capabilities IE Domains, gaming is a clear no! They have a few games barely any, mac servers in use are pratically non exsistant, extended processes I have never heard of macs doing, and 1. and 4. is all I know macs CAN do. But a PC just can do everything better so why get a mac when you can get a PC? PCs acutally have good sound cards/video cards while macs have integrated/generic. So a mac really comes down to looks, software you already have, being used to them and a simple featureless machine.

That is your opinion. Your posts are all opinionated. You cant win an argument, if you continue to say your opinions, because you cannot back them up, as you failed to do so, so many times.

Also one more thing, don't tell me a 200MHZ machintosh is faster than a Pentium 200 or a 100MHZ/166MHZ machintosh is faster than a 100/166MHz Pentium, because in reality they are much slower. I have used 100MHZ Macs that performed like 386s or slower, just utter crap. I will never purchase a mac simply because of the OS, infact the only time I WOULD buy a mac is just to install Windows NT 4.0

Care to back this up? I highly doubt you have had any experience with a Mac. And that is fact. And if you want me to back this up, I sure as hell will, as I can.

Agian Summed up macs are for: People who want an overpriced web browser, to encode video but dont know about PCs yet, a pretty machine, a simple machine with little functionality, a computer to say that you have one.

Again, here you go with your opinions. And what little functionality are you talking about? Back this up please.

So to sum everything up for you goku: Your whole argument consists of opinions which you cannot prove. And you have failed to answer many of my questions. You have NO experience with a mac what so ever. ALMOST ALL of what you said is not fact, but stuff you made up from the top of your head, because you cannot keep an argument going. Lose the opinions, and say stuff you can prove.

P.S. Remeber, "Tons of Software" does not count as naming specific software. Keep that in mind.

ROFL!!!! OMFG!!!! LOL what a moron. You know I am no even going to bother anymore. I will repeat my self about the overclocking 1 more fricken time and I'm done, BTW all posts about PCs are better or macs are better are always opinion based, Simple as that PERIOD, END.

This is not for you anymore, this is for all because I see more than one person is confused and agian I think my posts are not being read clearly. I have said this and this will be the 3rd time I say this umumum um (clears throat).

OK I did NOT say that it was NOT possible to O V E R C L O C K an Apple based computer (mac). What I did say though was that, here it comes: I have never in my life agian I HAVE NEVER seen a mac for Example with a 1GHZ Core speed be overclocked to 2GHZ, or Seen a 2GHZ Mac be overclocked to 3GHZ. Now I will repeat it agian, I have not seen a mac with a default speed of 2GHZ be overclocked by 1GHZ, that means 2GHZ + 1GHZ = 3GHZ Meaning you have overclocked it to about 50%.


Ok now with the Number things: (1-6)

Agian you need to read em throughly, my statement may have been vague but I'm sure you can agree with me that macs for 2,3,5,6 with out a dout are NOT USED for these purposes. It's blatantly obvious. Just like using linux for all of those things aswell, you can but it's difficult.

3. Games - macs have like 5 real games and thats it. When a new game comes out on pc, it takes like 2 yrs to come out on mac or just not at all.
2. Agian Office applications like huge coperations use that neither of us have hear of aren't on macs (Some more below)
5. Servers - They have (Mac server and thats it) No low end or high end, you'd be lucky to find 10 of these used anywhere. PC based servers with out a doubt are better supported/performance wise (the mac site is full of shit)
6. Never heard of anyone running em, possible but not really. Human Genome Project was done on Pentium II Xeons not crappy macs.


Bear sterns crap or bloomberg, fast track other office applications are examples of apps that dont work on macs. If you need to use those, your outta luck Period (and this cant be argued with unless you can prove they have a version for mac PERIOD.)

Shut up now ok, we all know that what YOUR saying and what I"M SAYING are stictly opinions BASED on facts. I know that saying "PC'S are BETTER" isn't a fact, but my opinion is BASED on facts which are entirely true Hence being called FACTS. THE same goes for you TOO!

How about we end this now before we waist another day on this stupid/pointless thread.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

OK I did NOT say that it was NOT possible to O V E R C L O C K an Apple based computer (mac). What I did say though was that, here it comes: I have never in my life agian I HAVE NEVER seen a mac for Example with a 1GHZ Core speed be overclocked to 2GHZ, or Seen a 2GHZ Mac be overclocked to 3GHZ. Now I will repeat it agian, I have not seen a mac with a default speed of 2GHZ be overclocked by 1GHZ, that means 2GHZ + 1GHZ = 3GHZ Meaning you have overclocked it to about 50%.

The reason you have never seen a Mac overclocked, is because you are not a Mac user, nor have you used one long enough.

Games - macs have like 5 real games and thats it. When a new game comes out on pc, it takes like 2 yrs to come out on mac or just not at all.

Back this up please.

other office applications are examples of apps that dont work on macs.

Such as?

Servers - They have (Mac server and thats it) No low end or high end, you'd be lucky to find 10 of these used anywhere. PC based servers with out a doubt are better supported/performance wise (the mac site is full of shit)

Opinionated. And you dont have any facts to back this up.

Shut up now ok, we all know that what YOUR saying and what I"M SAYING are stictly opinions BASED on facts. I know that saying "PC'S are BETTER" isn't a fact, but my opinion is BASED on facts which are entirely true Hence being called FACTS. THE same goes for you TOO!

So when you said: PCs with out a doubt will do 1-6 easy as pie. Macs can do 1 and 4 but others not really/at all. There is no reason to spend more money for a mac when for a lower price and higher performance you can get a pc. Macs are clearly not for the office environment as they have no real networking capabilities IE Domains, gaming is a clear no! They have a few games barely any, mac servers in use are pratically non exsistant, extended processes I have never heard of macs doing, and 1. and 4. is all I know macs CAN do. But a PC just can do everything better so why get a mac when you can get a PC? PCs acutally have good sound cards/video cards while macs have integrated/generic. So a mac really comes down to looks, software you already have, being used to them and a simple featureless machine.

This is based on a fact? Back this up. What fact? You need to re read EVERY SINGLE POST YOU HAVE, BECAUSE NONE OF WHAT YOU SAID IS BASED ON FACT. SHALL I CONTINUE TO QUOTE YOU ON THINGS YOU SAID THAT ARE NOT BASED ON FACT?

How about we end this now before we waist another day on this stupid/pointless thread.

This thread is not pointless. This is civil debate. As you can see, we both have our arguments. This thread can keep going and going and going.

As for ending the thread, sure why not. I prefer the mac, and you prefer the PC. And most of the programs found on the PC can be found on the mac, or their will be some type of substitute for it. I know this for a fact, because I am a Mac user. I also use PC's but not often as a Mac. Games. Yes, there are less games for the Mac then for the PC. But the Mac was never really meant for gaming. And they do take a while for them to come out for the Mac. I am not much of a gamer, but I do play the Unreal Tournament demo on my eMac, and runs very very well. I tried playing Unreal 2004, but my computer could not handle it. That is where I need a Powermac G5.

 

[frazzled]

About #6 above:

6. Never heard of anyone running em, possible but not really. Human Genome Project was done on Pentium II Xeons not crappy macs.

Boy, someone better let these guys at VT know they made a terrible mistake.
System X

Oh no! And according to this COLSA site:

MACH 5 , they're building MACH 5 for the Aviation and Missile Research, Development and Engineering Center, a division of the United States Army's Research and Development Command located at Redstone Arsenal. The supercomputer is expected to be in use by the Army this fall. Now our future missle defenses will have been developed on <gasp> a Mac! So much for national security.

And it looks like those clowns in the UCLA Physics department bamboozled the National Science Foundation into giving them nearly 1 million dollars to build a 256 XServe (512 CPU) cluster to study Plasma Physics (fluid flow in high magnetic fields). "UCLA Physics is no newcomer to parallel computing with Macs. In 2002 a group working with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory created a parallel computing cluster using 33 dual-processor 1GHz Xserves to achieve over 217 Gigaflops. The cluster used Pooch and MacMPI X, a development of AppleSeed, an ongoing project begun by physics researchers at UCLA in 1998. " So it looks like they made the mistake of going with Macs TWICE

goku, maybe you should go up the thread a bit and read DavLucMac's message a few times (so it really sinks in). Ignorance is not really bliss, and most of us who have been here awhile really try to engage in constructive discussions when at all possible.

fraz

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Hi Frazzled,

goku is just here to start trouble. I am not here to argue or anything. Thanks for finding those articles. goku is trying to argue some more with me. Take a look at my "Pentium vs. AMD" thread in "General Hardware" forums.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: frazzled
About #6 above:

6. Never heard of anyone running em, possible but not really. Human Genome Project was done on Pentium II Xeons not crappy macs.

Boy, someone better let these guys at VT know they made a terrible mistake.
System X

Oh no! And according to this COLSA site:

MACH 5 , they're building MACH 5 for the Aviation and Missile Research, Development and Engineering Center, a division of the United States Army's Research and Development Command located at Redstone Arsenal. The supercomputer is expected to be in use by the Army this fall. Now our future missle defenses will have been developed on <gasp> a Mac! So much for national security.

And it looks like those clowns in the UCLA Physics department bamboozled the National Science Foundation into giving them nearly 1 million dollars to build a 256 XServe (512 CPU) cluster to study Plasma Physics (fluid flow in high magnetic fields). "UCLA Physics is no newcomer to parallel computing with Macs. In 2002 a group working with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory created a parallel computing cluster using 33 dual-processor 1GHz Xserves to achieve over 217 Gigaflops. The cluster used Pooch and MacMPI X, a development of AppleSeed, an ongoing project begun by physics researchers at UCLA in 1998. " So it looks like they made the mistake of going with Macs TWICE

goku, maybe you should go up the thread a bit and read DavLucMac's message a few times (so it really sinks in). Ignorance is not really bliss, and most of us who have been here awhile really try to engage in constructive discussions when at all possible.

fraz

Infact that is interesting, then agian the government is notorious for wasting money. Look up super sonic jet or watnot and bose noise cancelation head sets. They spent billions I think trillions but trillions seems way too much, anyways to have bose develop noise canceling headsets because some "genious" in the military thought it would be a good idea. Well it wasn't, the project was scrapped and now these crap noise cancelation head sets are due to be on airlines for like 5$. Complete waste!

Just because people decide to use a platform and spend lots of money, doesn't mean it's a good idea. Sure I guess you could get a bunch of VIA processors and run them in parallel processing. Yes anything is possible with 3 year old technology, but for a lot less money and more computing power they can get Intel/AMD based processors. Agian, you all are clearly mac people.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Infact that is interesting, then agian the government is notorious for wasting money. Look up super sonic jet or watnot and bose noise cancelation head sets. They spent billions I think trillions but trillions seems way too much, anyways to have bose develop noise canceling headsets because some "genious" in the military thought it would be a good idea. Well it wasn't, the project was scrapped and now these crap noise cancelation head sets are due to be on airlines for like 5$. Complete waste!

Just because people decide to use a platform and spend lots of money, doesn't mean it's a good idea. Sure I guess you could get a bunch of VIA processors and run them in parallel processing. Yes anything is possible with 3 year old technology, but for a lot less money and more computing power they can get Intel/AMD based processors. Agian, you all are clearly mac people.

We are all entitled to our own OPINION.

 

[imported_goku]

Instead of post proof of government agencies wasting money like they always do, show me a successful company that actually use these sh!tty servers. The government waste trillions of tax payer's money because the people in charge don't know where to spend thier money. People have this problem in america (not all but a lot) where if money is in surplus, SPEND IT! Another problem like this is the technology budget or any type of budget infact! When at the end of the year a budget set for "technology" is like 1 billion dollars for school but this year they didn't need to spend 1 billion, maybe only 700 million. But instead of letting the government know that they have too high of a budget, they have to do quick buys of useless crap they dont need so they meet the quota and it stays at 1 billion. This is a perfect example of government waste that occurs ever day. If our money was spent more wisely, we would never be in debt. Infact we would have not trouble paying for wars but instead we have a 500 Billion dollar deficit. Things like this can only make it worse.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Instead of post proof of government agencies wasting money like they always do, show me a successful company that actually use these sh!tty servers. The government waste trillions of tax payer's money because the people in charge don't know where to spend thier money. People have this problem in america (not all but a lot) where if money is in surplus, SPEND IT! Another problem like this is the technology budget or any type of budget infact! When at the end of the year a budget set for "technology" is like 1 billion dollars for school but this year they didn't need to spend 1 billion, maybe only 700 million. But instead of letting the government know that they have too high of a budget, they have to do quick buys of useless crap they dont need so they meet the quota and it stays at 1 billion. This is a perfect example of government waste that occurs ever day. If our money was spent more wisely, we would never be in debt. Infact we would have not trouble paying for wars but instead we have a 500 Billion dollar deficit. Things like this can only make it worse.

As I said, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Why do you say the these servers are shitty, if you have never used one? You obviously cant back this up. Sure, you are entitled to your own opinion, but without any facts to back this up, you surely cant make such an assumption. The rest of your rant is just irrelevant.

 

[imported_goku]

Sure it may *seem irrelevant but it's really not. Saying that these government agencies spent this amount of money or purchased these does not equate it being a smart purchase.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Just so you guys know, we're all getting a good laugh out of you, Goku. Keep up the foaming and ranting!

- M4H

 

[imported_Lucifer]

So you are saying everyone would never be in debt if the government never purchased the Xserves? It seems you are blaming the Xserves for this through out your whole rant. There is most likely a reason why the government chose Xserves and not Intel/AMD machines.

You didnt answer my question. Why do you say the Xserves are sh!tty if you have never used one? Can you back this up? Dont say "My opinions are based on facts" because what you said is NOT based on facts. You continue to bash the Mac because you dislike it.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
So you are saying everyone would never be in debt if the government never purchased the Xserves? It seems you are blaming the Xserves for this through out your whole rant. There is most likely a reason why the government chose Xserves and not Intel/AMD machines.

You didnt answer my question. Why do you say the Xserves are sh!tty if you have never used one? Can you back this up? Dont say "My opinions are based on facts" because what you said is NOT based on facts. You continue to bash the Mac because you dislike it.

Mac products are crap period, I will not get more into detail and the money thing is YOUR interpretation. I merely stated that purchases like these all contribute to national debt. There are of course other factors but money counts! STOP END NOW! NO ONE CARES EXCEPT YOU AND THOSE DAMN MAC LOOSERS. JUST STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Mac products are crap period

How were you able to come to this conclusion? You dont use Mac products, PERIOD.

I merely stated that purchases like these all contribute to national debt. There are of course other factors but money counts! STOP END NOW! NO ONE CARES EXCEPT YOU AND THOSE DAMN MAC LOOSERS. JUST STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have obviously lost this argument. You have failed to back yourself up, so it resorted to childish name calling and this whine. "STOP END NOW! NO ONE CARES EXCEPT YOU AND THOSE DAMN MAC LOOSERS. JUST STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"



End of discussion.

 

[imported_goku]

yes I lost the arguement to an overly confident mac user who boasts that his 3 year old system that costs twice as much as mine can beat mine performance wise. Clearly the speakings of a halfwit 13 year old, I wanted to end the discussion because convicing mac people that they are using inferior hardware and software will do no good because they believe that spending more money= better machine when in actuality it doesnt. I have used mac products, I was forced to use them during my school career and I have always hated them. I even hated them in kindergarden because they were so stupid and had no software to "educate us youngsters". I learned nothing from them, they were slow, lacked software and the school insisted that I learn on them. Luckily my family was PC based all the way from the beginning so I was able to start on a platform going in the right direction unlike the mac platform. There are reasons why macs are used today by the typical network administrator or home user, its because they lack software and hardware support. Completely proprietary and have no use in this world because of those two factors. Mac people will never admit they are running on an inferior product because they have this stigma that will never go away. It has grown on them like a tumor, a tumor that will pop either with them giving up trying to make the apple platform popular or just stop using computers. I know, I know this to happen because I have seen it with my very eyes. Infact I drove a 15 year old mac verteran to his knees when I was about 13, always poking and prodding him telling him why they suck and why pc's are so much better. He finally broke down and decided to never use computers anymore, I felt kind of bad for a while but realized how much happier he is what he is doing now, rock climbing. So in a way I set him free, not having to deal with all the lack of software support and being told they are inferior. One day this may happen to you and you too will be set free.

So in this case YOU have lost the arguement, I have proved consectuively that macs are missing the required software needed by corperations which is why they are not used by corperations. Maybe we should put you on the spot and have YOU answer all the questions to why the mac platform is a superior platform. No bull about you didn't say that because you know you think it and you said it. You are starting to realize your in denial and may want to stop listening but eventually you will grow up.

GROW UP YOUNGSTER! Your 13 now, the big 13! I on the other hand grew up, I didnt need to in the computer sector but other parts of life. You may have grown up in the other parts of life I dont know, but one thing is for sure that you have not grown up in the computer sector.

Good times
Later kid.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

yes I lost the arguement to an overly confident mac user who boasts that his 3 year old system that costs twice as much as mine can beat mine performance wise. Clearly the speakings of a halfwit 13 year old, I wanted to end the discussion because convicing mac people that they are using inferior hardware and software will do no good because they believe that spending more money= better machine when in actuality it doesnt. I have used mac products, I was forced to use them during my school career and I have always hated them. I even hated them in kindergarden because they were so stupid and had no software to "educate us youngsters". I learned nothing from them, they were slow, lacked software and the school insisted that I learn on them. Luckily my family was PC based all the way from the beginning so I was able to start on a platform going in the right direction unlike the mac platform.

Software such as??? Also, what hardware do you speak of? Answer my questions please. And why do you assume my computer is 3 years old? You dont know anything about my mac other than the specs listed below, which even knowing those specs, you wont be able to make up such an assumption. And when did I boast that my computer will beat YOURS performance wise? Quote me on this. If you cant back up what you say, dont say it.

Completely proprietary and have no use in this world because of those two factors. Mac people will never admit they are running on an inferior product because they have this stigma that will never go away. It has grown on them like a tumor, a tumor that will pop either with them giving up trying to make the apple platform popular or just stop using computers. I know, I know this to happen because I have seen it with my very eyes.

You are still ranting with opinions. None of this you are able to prove. Prove what you said, otherwise stop posting what is on your mind.

Infact I drove a 15 year old mac verteran to his knees when I was about 13, always poking and prodding him telling him why they suck and why pc's are so much better. He finally broke down and decided to never use computers anymore, I felt kind of bad for a while but realized how much happier he is what he is doing now, rock climbing. So in a way I set him free, not having to deal with all the lack of software support and being told they are inferior. One day this may happen to you and you too will be set free.

Why is this relevant? Are you proud of yourself? And you dont answer my questions, ESPECIALLY when I ask you what software you are talking about. Now, what software support are you talking about?

So in this case YOU have lost the arguement, I have proved consectuively that macs are missing the required software needed by corperations which is why they are not used by corperations. Maybe we should put you on the spot and have YOU answer all the questions to why the mac platform is a superior platform. No bull about you didn't say that because you know you think it and you said it. You are starting to realize your in denial and may want to stop listening but eventually you will grow up.

No, you have not proved consectuively that macs are missing the required software needed by corperations. In what way did you prove consectuively that macs are missing required software needed by corperations? Just by saying you used macs in kindergarten and your school career did not prove anything. You are giving me a story, not an argument. Re read your post. The whole thing. Tell me that you mentioned anything about required software needed by corperations. You have no evidence whats so ever to support your argument. The spot is still on you, and will continue to be on you, till you can actually support your argument with evidence, since you failed to do say through out the whole thread.

So no, I did not lose this argument. You did. Once again, you are saying what you think, and have not proved anything. You seem to have not noticed that you start to go off topic, and giving me stories, making your own opinions, which you cannot not prove, and failed to answer my questions repeatedly.

GROW UP YOUNGSTER! Your 13 now, the big 13! I on the other hand grew up, I didnt need to in the computer sector but other parts of life. You may have grown up in the other parts of life I dont know, but one thing is for sure that you have not grown up in the computer sector.

So what if I am 13. I dont use immature comments such as you. When you call mac users "LOOSERS" and calling me a moron. And you are telling me to grow up. Hahaha. I grew up a long time ago. Are you ticked off that a 13 year old is more mature than you are?

Answer this. How do you grow up in the "computer sector"? Is this something you made up?

BTW, we shall continue this tomorrow, later in the evening. Ive got work tomorrow. So, good night.

 

[dnuggett]

Lol, this is pretty fun. Most fun I've seen in the SFF/Notebook forum ever. 13 year old spanks a blind macophobe, lol.

 

[CombatChuk]

My nef meter is broken from overload.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

So what if I am 13.

My point exactally, you have clearly not grownup yet. Look I have already listed software but because your not actually trying to figure this out and instead are trying to appeal to an audience, your simply repeating your self and making statements about how I lack evidence. I feel like I have been in the spot light too long and it's time for little timmy to go up to the podium. You have had your chance to stand off to the side making comments to me while I was in the spot light but now I think its time for YOU to answer some questions. When you start to ask your self these questions, you will soon realize that your wrong and hopefully you will learn from this experience.

Question 1. Why does the pc have a greater market share than the macintosh computer?
Question 2. If mac hardware is so much superior to PC hardware and linux can run on both, why don't they make hardware distros with mac hardware and linux operating systems?
Question 3. If mac servers are more superior to PC based servers, then why is it most if not ALL corperations use PC based servers apposed to mac based servers?
Question 4. What was the tandy platform based on?
A. Proprietary Platform like the apple's harware or B. PC Platform.

These are the questions today, if you want to continue this exercise then I will be available later otherwise this discussion is over. It's much easier for some one else to be on the spotlight (me) and to ask questions from the sideline (you). You may seem like you have all the knowledge and I am just incompetent but in reality if WE were both being asked the questions by another person than YOU would loose.

:music:I'm off to se the wizard the wonderful wizard of oz.....:music:

 

[way]

Question 1. Why does the pc have a greater market share than the macintosh computer?

You can't compare a whole platform to the offerings of one company (Apple). Now, we can compare the relative merits of Apple's compared to Dell or eMachines if you'd like.

Essentially, the PC industry is a horizontal market where the OS, platform, storage devices, displays, etc. are all made by different companies. This allows for lower barriers of entry into those respective fields and thus greater competition and offerings to the consumer.

Apples are more of a vertical market where they have greater control over all aspects of the computer. This tighter integration provides a smoother user experience because everything is tested to work well together. Vertical markets exist in the PC world too---check out IBM.

The market share for BMW autos isn't that high either. Does that mean that BMWs suck?

Question 2. If mac hardware is so much superior to PC hardware and linux can run on both, why don't they make hardware distros with mac hardware and linux operating systems?

They do have GNU/Linux distributions available for PPC. Debian is an example of a noncommercial one and Yellow Dog is an example of a commercial one.

Question 3. If mac servers are more superior to PC based servers, then why is it most if not ALL corperations use PC based servers apposed to mac based servers?

Firstly, nobody on here is claiming that Mac servers are superior to PC servers. But several on here have already given examples that there *are* Mac servers and that they were chosen and deployed in professional computing environments (e.g. Virginia Tech supercluster).

PC Magazine rates the Xserve well: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,575556,00.asp

A professional hosting company bought 1,000 Xserves: http://www.macworld.com/news/2...09/15/xserve/index.php

And 600 G5s were used to transfer the Star Wars Trilogy to DVD: http://www.usatoday.com/life/m...-09-06-star-wars_x.htm

So, contrary to your assertion, Macs are used and supported in the professional world, including for new uses and expansion (rather than what you said before about Mac users being stuck with proprietary expensive equipment).

Question 4. What was the tandy platform based on?
A. Proprietary Platform like the apple's harware or B. PC Platform.

Tandy has released computers running Intel processors, Motorola processors, and their own procs. What does this question have to do with anything?

Here's a question for you: What processor platform are Cisco routers based on?

 

[imported_goku]

These weren't questions really, I just thought quizzing would be fun. The first few were questions though, BMW doesn't have a high market share because they are expensive. But all servers are expensive as well and they have a relatively high market share. The 600macs is no surprise, what do you expect its the movie industry, they dont know better. I never denied macs being used in the entertainment industry but I have continue to state a company like IBM's website is NOT on mac servers despite them being thier processors. The hosting company is one of few who would do that, whether or not it was a smart decision, time will only tell. What expansion capabilities do you have with a mac? When a mac gets old, the only thing you really can do is put it in storage and let it collect dust or have it do simplier tasks. If apple was such a popular platform it wouldn't matter how much is sold. Still the MS OS makes the mac os like small peanuts. I think even Dell out sells apples macintosh platform because dell has the same appeal as do mac people, except some buy dell because of software compatibility.