newbiepcuser
Diamond Member
I only went to Walmart once, and this I did notice.
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Walmart loses major union case. :)
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I only went to Walmart once, and this I did notice.
AnyMal
Lifer
You obviously never worked for a company that has unionized workforce. Let me make it simple. Union demands that company pays outrageous wages and benefits for unskilled and untrained labor. The companies are faced with two choices: either they give in, thus severely undercutting their bottom line, or they fold and move south of the border. Do you think that's pro free-market?
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
I have a brain and a heart. You apparently lack both.
Executive salaries went up an average of 61% last year while unemployment hit record high. Why? Because execs and boards are on friendly terms. The bottom line gets hit for paying extravagant salaries that are unwarranted based on performance. Give working people that money. Don't like it? Go out and kick a janitor today then.
Executive salaries went up an average of 61% last year while unemployment hit record high. Why? Because execs and boards are on friendly terms. The bottom line gets hit for paying extravagant salaries that are unwarranted based on performance. Give working people that money. Don't like it? Go out and kick a janitor today then.
WarmAndSCSI
Banned
You seem like the only intelligent person in this thread thus far as my reading goes... searching for the next...
newbiepcuser
Diamond Member
Workers will have to pay too, union dues.
WarmAndSCSI
Banned
VERY good point.!
:beer:
This isn't about unionism or corporate greed, its about property rights and tresspassing. The union simply has no right to be on Walmart property without permission. If the employees want to organize, they can do it on their own time at a place of their own choosing.
I think we can all support Walmart's position, unless you believe I should have the right to come into your house or place of business without permission and just hang out, protest your hiring of non-union labor to cut your lawn, bother your kids, etc.
I think we can all support Walmart's position, unless you believe I should have the right to come into your house or place of business without permission and just hang out, protest your hiring of non-union labor to cut your lawn, bother your kids, etc.
thedarkwolf
Diamond Member
I worked for Kroger(grocery store chain) and it was union and I can tell you that wasn't true there. All the union did for me was take money out of every one of my paychecks. After 5 years I made around 75 cents over minimum wage and had no benefits other than a weeks payed vacation. The only people that got anything from the union were the full time people and to get around that Krogers simply didn't hire full time people unless they had too. We did have lots of 36 hour a week part timers though.
I'm sure I have more of a brain than you but that really doesn't matter. I totally agree with you that at CERTAIN levels in most corporations compensation is way out of control and performance seems to not even be a requirement anymore but that does not call for a 100% tax an all income above a cetain level......that is just plain stupid
newbiepcuser
Diamond Member
This reminds me of when I worked at Disneyland, our food division was under a union. The new contract was up and I read over the new contract. The contract stated there was raise etc. After I read the contract, the contract was total BS. The raise was one time thing over "x" amount of years and new workers would take 2 years before a raise etc. The contract also allowed McDonalds to come into the park, thus you see McD's Fries at Disneyland now. I spoke out and the Union head this is the best they could. My co-workers said stop complaining, its raise.
When Union dues went up, that pretty much erased our "raise". The Union head had left two months later, it turns out she was on the take by Disney and that why she was fired. My friends/co-workers just look at me and didn't say anything.
Unions:
The people who brought you the weekend.
The people who brought you the 8 hour work day (instead of the 12 or 14 hours that use to be the norm)
The people who helped outlaw child labor in the US.
The people who fought to get the health and retirement benefits many of us take for granted today.
The people who helped make sure there is a minimum wage.
The people who helped enact health and safety standards in the workplace.
Yes....unions sound really bad to me, and society has no need for such terrible organizations.
We all know that our benevolent American corporations would have done all these things by themselves anyway, right?
The people who brought you the weekend.
The people who brought you the 8 hour work day (instead of the 12 or 14 hours that use to be the norm)
The people who helped outlaw child labor in the US.
The people who fought to get the health and retirement benefits many of us take for granted today.
The people who helped make sure there is a minimum wage.
The people who helped enact health and safety standards in the workplace.
Yes....unions sound really bad to me, and society has no need for such terrible organizations.
We all know that our benevolent American corporations would have done all these things by themselves anyway, right?
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The people who helped tremendously in the downfall of US auto companies and airlines via threats of strikes by their uniformed followers.
The people who have very wealthy leaders who use the dues of their uniformed followers to support their own personal political agendas.
The people who allow substandard work to be compensated at a super-standard rate.
I hate Unions. Nothing but a bunch of damned thieves, who steal from the common worker to support the agendas of the Union leaders.
The only thing (IMO) a Union is good for is to protect the jobs of the lazy, and ensure there paid "fairly" to the hard working employees.
DOWN WITH UNIONS!!
The only thing (IMO) a Union is good for is to protect the jobs of the lazy, and ensure there paid "fairly" to the hard working employees.
DOWN WITH UNIONS!!
Amused
Elite Member
You are leaving out any and all negative aspects of Unions and their history, and there have been many. As with anything, a good idea can be turned into a tool for greed and corruption. The history of Unions is full of this. A union can become so big, it is little more than another corporation, with those at the top only looking out for themselves.
The one negative aspect in this specific case is the violation of Walmart's private property rights.
lol! This is a myth that only sets in the minds of those ignorant of business matters. As I demonstrated in the KMart thread several months ago, executive compensation doesn't take a thing away from 'working people'.
You can take away the executive compensation and that money would employ the people Kmart laid-off for another six months, then they would have to be laid off. Wow!
Meanwhile, your executives have all left because they certainly don't have to work for anything less than they find agreeable. Then you have the problems currently enjoyed by Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York, which is flirting with bankruptcy due in no small part because it took them over a year to find a CEO while the hospital drifted aimlessly and hemorrhaged money. Or worse, the company goes under, everybody is out of a job. Hey that's better!
If you want more money, or want to make the CEO's salary, then pursue those things which pay what you desire to make. If you want to be a bag-boy, then that includes the going-wage of a bag-boy. The choice is yours.
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