judasmachine
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Many are already $20. I'm only buying a few at the moment. $20-25 is a bit much IMO. $15 is better.
I think the major goal is to make it so there cannot be a DeCSS program available so anyone can decode any movie.
As of right now, for me to download 50gb would take me 5 days of a 24/7 connection devoted solely to this download (assuming I get full speed all the time). It's just not cost-effective for me to download a movie, it's better to purchase it.
With BD+ you're going to prevent the distribution of decoding keys, which will help sales in the first weeks the movie is released, which is when the majority of sales and rentals are.
It's a hope. Hopefully BD+ will be enough to get them to release movies - or there's a possibility we're all going to have to wait for the next revisions with even more DRM before we can see the content.
Yeah, that's me.
As for Steve Jobs, I think he has been leaning towards Blu-ray, but it should be noted that Apple hasn't really come out strongly in either direction. In fact, their actions so far have leaned more towards HD DVD for the time being.
Right now, Apple's DVD Studio Pro can author 720p HD DVDs using H.264 on DVD media, and these will play back in any standalone HD DVD player. Furthermore, these discs will also play back in Apple's DVD Player.app, and this ships with every Mac sold. In contrast, DVD Studio Pro and DVD Player don't support Blu-ray at all. I fully expected that when Apple released Final Cut Studio 2, they'd add Blu-ray support, but that didn't happen.
Retail will win this battle for sure. Unfortunately it's the blind leading the blind as far as the type of consumers entering retails locations.
AMDZen
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WTH do you have? Dial-up? First of all, HD-DVD's aren't 50 GB, and all but about 4-5 Blu-Ray Disc's have utilized both layers. A few movies like Crank and others have basically the movie twice, one on each of the layers - which they use so that you can have the in-movie PiP feature. But if you downloaded Crank, it would only be 25 GB. And as I've said, this is true for nearly all Blu-Ray movies out thus far, with a few exceptions. HD-DVD's are usually about that as well, 20-25 GB.
Comcast connection at 8 Mbps = 1 MBps
One HD-DVD movie averaging 20 GB = 20,000 MB
20,000 seconds = 5.55 Hours
You obviously need a new ISP
Originally posted by: sdifox
I guess your isp hasn't throttled BT traffic yet
I wish I can download GIS datasets are the speed you are implying. There is a whole lot of wiring in between to do sustained 8Mbps...
Plus that's assuming that the download is being fed at at least 1MBps. I'm suprised when I find a torrent that downloads at 300kBps or more, let alone 1MBps.
AMDZen
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Originally posted by: sdifox
I guess your isp hasn't throttled BT traffic yet
I wish I can download GIS datasets are the speed you are implying. There is a whole lot of wiring in between to do sustained 8Mbps...
Thats why people that actually use BT use a port other then the default port. Nearly all ISP's throttle the default port range the BT uses, 6881-688x I don't even know what the range is since I've never used it. But surely everyone who knows anything about BT knows not to use the default port. Shessh. They can't throttle all of the ports.
Where did I say anything about BT any way? I didn't - and if I was talking about BT, it would be for the people on real BT sites that have good speeds not TPB and IH like you're obviously using if your getting such crappy speeds. Ask anyone on any of the good sites if 0day stuff isn't maxing their connection most of the time.
Ask people on good Newsgroup services if they get their connections maxed out. If you aren't, then you probably should find a new NewsGroup provider. I used the 8 Mbps as an example because it made for easier math. I personally have Comcast, pay for the 8 even though I often times get more - around 10 or 12 - I never have any problems maxing my connection.
Oh yes I can. No matter what port it's on, encrypted or not, BT is about as subtle as a freight train when it comes to traffic patterns.
- M4H
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: sdifox
I guess your isp hasn't throttled BT traffic yet
I wish I can download GIS datasets are the speed you are implying. There is a whole lot of wiring in between to do sustained 8Mbps...
Thats why people that actually use BT use a port other then the default port. Nearly all ISP's throttle the default port range the BT uses, 6881-688x I don't even know what the range is since I've never used it. But surely everyone who knows anything about BT knows not to use the default port. Shessh. They can't throttle all of the ports.
Where did I say anything about BT any way? I didn't - and if I was talking about BT, it would be for the people on real BT sites that have good speeds not TPB and IH like you're obviously using if your getting such crappy speeds. Ask anyone on any of the good sites if 0day stuff isn't maxing their connection most of the time.
Ask people on good Newsgroup services if they get their connections maxed out. If you aren't, then you probably should find a new NewsGroup provider. I used the 8 Mbps as an example because it made for easier math. I personally have Comcast, pay for the 8 even though I often times get more - around 10 or 12 - I never have any problems maxing my connection.
I don't use TPB or IH. Demonoid works for me. I don't really download movies or music. Just the occassional TV show and the Howard Stern show (I subscribe to the service but I prefer to listen to it on my mp3 player without having to record the stream myself).
But I thought we were discussing downloading in regards to the average downloader. To guys like you (fast connections and newsgroups), doesn't matter if the files are 25GB or 100GB, you're still going to download them. But I would imagine for the average downloader (DSL/cable and torrent sites), they'll just stick with the divx or xvid versions. They probably don't even know what newgroups are.
And no, I don't use the default BT port!
zinfamous
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thirdeded...
I believe I remember reading, most likely on these forums, that BR has much better sound processing though. Is this true? If so...I hope BR eventually wins out. But a combo drive around $200 within the next year would be fine for me; or a single format drive in the $100-150 range (provided it is the "winning" format by then).
zinfamous
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Do not underestimate the power of Walmart.
...Then again, with their tendency to price-bully their manufacturers, Walmart could just as easily run HD-DVD into the ground by demanding units at far too low a price.
(Although, the way VHS won out over Beta-Max seems to say that this is not likely...)
At the rate Blu-Ray is selling, if these things ship in 2008, it will be too late. Especially with all the studio support behind BD.
Fingolfin269
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But is Blu-Ray really selling that well if you discount the PS3 sales? Not that it matters. these things will still be pretty much early adopter material for another 6 months.
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