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sciwizam

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Originally posted by: Squisher
And btw-what does the government backing a new car warranty mean? If GM folds, does that mean that they'll keep the dealership service departments open for 10 years to service the rust through part of their warranty? I somehow doubt that.

Someone asked Gibbs this during the press briefing and he said he would get back to them.
 

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One, the president will announce a new government-backed warranty program for all new GM and Chrysler vehicles purchased during this restructuring period. A fund will be set up equal to 125 percent of the total cost to pay for warranty service. The auto makers will contribute 15 percent while the government will provide 110 percent, with the money coming from the economic stabilization funds, the gift that keeps on giving. A separate company will hold the funds and pay the claims even if one of the auto manufacturers goes into bankruptcy or out of business.

The president will also name a Director of Recovery for Auto Workers and Communities. Edward Montgomery, labor economist and former Deputy Secretary of Labor, will serve in the role, helping autoworkers, communities, and regions adversely impacted by the failure of the automakers find new jobs, businesses, and industries.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...3/president-ob-23.html

No mention of what company would do the repairs if GM or Chrysler disappear.
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: Robor


IMO you can add the oft-unknown Saturn Astra to that list. When I finally dumped my VW I was looking for a 3 or 5 door hatchback to replace it. My goal was < $20K, good safety features, 25+ mpg city, good handling, and leather (if possible). Before I started doing research I had never heard of an Astra.

In the end it was the only < $20K car that had leather as an option it blew the competition away in the other categories. It was under $19K out the door, gets ~30 mpg around town, handles better than anything in it's class, and has heated leather seats. The only downsides are a single poorly located cup holder and no AUX input on the factory deck. If you're in the market for a hatchback check out the Astra. I'm told they are making deals with the cloud over Saturn.

I debated whether I should or not. The car forums were jizzing in their pants for this car, claiming that they would definately buy if/when GM brought it over here. Unfortunately that was just alot of noise and Saturn sold few. Too bad its definately a nice little hatchback.
 

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President Obama didn?t want any advice from Congress on the decision to ask GM CEO Rick Wagoner to resign, according to Carl Levin (D), Michigan?s senior senator.

?He didn?t ask us about it, he informed us,? Levin told reporters in a conference call Monday afternoon. ?The president said he?d already decided.?
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
These are all cars(not trucks) that got great praise and got people excited for GM in the last few years:

Solstice/Sky
G8
CTS
Aura
Camaro
Malibu
Corvette
Cobalt SS

future products:
Volt
Cruze
Spark

Just because you probably don't want anything to do with these cars doesn't mean other people aren't excited or were excited.

This whole financial mess GM is in HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS PRODUCTS.

Sure not all their products are up to par but they're still made alot of great cars with great looks/performance/mileage. It's a shame most people couldn't get past their perceptions.

the cobalt ss, vette, and solstice/sky are too low volume to make much of a dent in GM's bottom line.

of the other current products, one is barely even out, another is a big rwd v8 sedan released when everyone wants econoboxes, and the other 3 only got really competitive within the last couple of model years.

that's the problem. GM needed to be doing this stuff a decade ago or more. they didn't. there wasn't enough impetus, i'm sure.

Originally posted by: Robor
IMO you can add the oft-unknown Saturn Astra to that list. When I finally dumped my VW I was looking for a 3 or 5 door hatchback to replace it. My goal was < $20K, good safety features, 25+ mpg city, good handling, and leather (if possible). Before I started doing research I had never heard of an Astra.

GM has no idea how to market saturn.


they also have had no idea what to do with pontiac. the G3? really? do you not want people at your dealerships?
 

LTC8K6

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Money down the drain looks like...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123841609048669495.html

WASHINGTON? The Obama's administration's leading plan to fix General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC would use bankruptcy filings to purge the ailing companies of their biggest problems, including bondholder debt and retiree health-care costs, according to people familiar with the matter.

The move would in essence split both companies into their "good" and "bad" components. The government would like to see the "good" GM to be a standalone company, according to an administration official. The "good" Chrysler would be sold to Fiat SpA, assuming that deal is completed, this person said.

GM and Chrysler have had bankruptcy attorneys devising plans for such a

move in recent months.

President Barack Obama's task force has told both companies that the administration prefers this route as a way to reorganize the two auto makers, rather than the prolonged out-of-court process that has thus far frustrated administration officials.

GM looks increasingly like it will be forced into filing for bankruptcy protection, sometime in mid-to-late May, in a plan where the automaker breaks into two companies, the surviving entity a "new GM" that maintains key brands such as Chevy and Cadillac and some international units, say several people familiar with the situation.

Stakes in this new GM could be given to creditors and UAW members. It is also possible the new company could be sold whole or in parts to investors.

The auto makers could avoid bankruptcy in the next two months. And there is some brinksmanship still going on in GM's high-level talks with bondholders, union members and creditors.

A key ingredient is getting the UAW to agree to an entirely new labor contract, including major reductions in health-care benefits, according to several people involved in the matter. "That's the No.1 wildcard here," one of these people said Monday.

Under this plan, the "good" GM would not be expected to hold the tens of billions of dollars in retiree and health care obligations that hurt the auto maker in recent decades. Instead, those obligations would be transferred to an "old GM," made up of less-desirable brands like Hummer and Saturn, and underperforming plants and other assets. This part of GM would likely sit in bankruptcy much longer while a buyer is sought for the parts or it is wound down. Proceeds from the sale of old GM would go to pay claims to various creditors, including GM retirees.

"That is the plan, to the extent it comports with the bankruptcy laws," said one person familiar with the matter.

Some of the New GM-Old GM is laid out in the GM viability plan the company sent to the federal government last month. In it, GM estimates that it would shrink from 22% of the U.S. market to about 19%.

At Chrysler, bankruptcy would be used to force new labor contracts and rework debt deals with secured creditors. People working on Chrysler's behalf say the deal is risky, because the company is still not convinced that it could survive even a short-term bankruptcy. It could be done in order to meet the Obama administration's demand that Chrysler's creditors agree to huge reductions in their expected recoveries on Chrysler debt.

Also Monday, new GM Chief Executive Frederick "Fritz" Henderson told employees and dealers that the company will end up in bankruptcy court if it does not significantly accelerate its restructuring efforts in the next 60 days, according to a dealer who watched a broadcast of a meeting with Mr. Henderson.

Mr. Henderson said "we'll be in bankruptcy" if the company cannot meet the U.S. government's demands for faster progress on its turnaround plan, this dealer said.
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Why is Chrysler doing so bad? Unlike GM, they did have a few hits with cars and minivan. I can't even think of any trucks or SUVs that Chrysler has let alone anyone drives. Its the smallest of the big 3. Is the quality reputation that bad?
 

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Originally posted by: Generator
Why is Chrysler doing so bad? Unlike GM, they did have a few hits with cars and minivan. I can't even think of any trucks or SUVs that Chrysler has let alone anyone drives. Its the smallest of the big 3. Is the quality reputation that bad?

Dodge got some of the lowest JDPower and Associate ratings for 2008.

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Generator
Why is Chrysler doing so bad? Unlike GM, they did have a few hits with cars and minivan. I can't even think of any trucks or SUVs that Chrysler has let alone anyone drives. Its the smallest of the big 3. Is the quality reputation that bad?

they're completely uncompetitive in the small and midsize car market. they've built one good car in the last 10 years, and have so far put 4 faces on it.

so you can't think of anyone that drives a dodge truck or a jeep? jeep is probably the only thing that chrysler has going for it at this point (and even then only a couple of models). maybe the charger.
 

Pocatello

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Originally posted by: Generator
Why is Chrysler doing so bad? Unlike GM, they did have a few hits with cars and minivan. I can't even think of any trucks or SUVs that Chrysler has let alone anyone drives. Its the smallest of the big 3. Is the quality reputation that bad?

The only thing that people will miss from Chrysler is the minivan, it's pretty nice. Chrysler cars have some of the ugliest and cheapest interior. I have not seen anyone drives a Dodge Journey, Caliber, Nitro, or Avenger, they might as well have not existed. The Chrysler Sebring is forgettable, the PT Cruiser is mercifully being put out to pasture, the Aspen SUV is a rebadge of another failure, the Dogde Durango. The Chrysler 300 is good, but I don't see a huge demand for the Chrysler 300.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Corn

Craig should take a little initiative and investigate which vehicles are actually selling in America (read that as which vehicles Americans want to buy). People aren't buying hybrids (enough so that Honda even quit making their version of the Accord hybrid). Craig, like Obama, has no clue what kinds of vehicles American's want to buy. American's don't want hybrid vehicles, otherwise they'd comprise more than 2.4% of vehicles sold.

One point: Honda stopped manufacturing the Accord Hybrid b/c no one wants a freaking V6 hybrid that gets the same gas-mileage of a non-hybrid V4.

seriously....who the hell is in that kind of market anyway? It was a dumb idea at inception and I'm surprised it didn't fail sooner. And I love Honda, but that car didn't fail b/c Americans didn't want hybrids. It failed b/c it didn't understand the hybrid market.

There is a market for "performance hybrids" just a very small one. Case in point, every hybrid that Toyota/Lexus sells apart from the Prius is a V6 or V8 hybrid.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Seems to me the Federal Government is losing a lot more money than GM.. maybe we need to demand Obama step down?


:beer:


Leftist will never agree to use logic.



 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
They bought Wagoner out with a $20M retirement package...

So much for the anguish over pay rates...

Wagnor worked at GM for 32 years. They are giving him no severance, but yes he is getting a retirement package. The size is to be determined, but it is to be paid out of the salaried employee and executive retirement plan.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: paperfist
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
One idiot CEO down, how many to go?

Depends, do you like freedom or tyranny?

When is Obama going to step down? What a hypocrite, auto companies have to have a plan to get money yet finical institutions do not. Auto companies have to meet benchmarks, finical institutions do not. Leaders of auto companies must step down, not so with finical institutions. Further more the same can be applied to certain members of our political representatives.

Please don't try to use logic with the left.

 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Why is the stock market tanking this morning because of fears that GM will BK? I thought that you people want GM to BK.

That wouldn't have been a bad idea before we spent billions of tax payers $, another great idea brought to you by Barrack Hussein Obama.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Credit where credit is due.

In spite of all my negativity in earlier posts in this thread, I have to say that I was very impressed with Obama's speech just now. He addressed every concern I both spelled out and alluded to earlier.

I know this a very polarizing issue, but I sincerely hope that our domestic auto industry can survive.


Our government will run the auto industry..... how can we go wrong?
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: sciwizam
Originally posted by: Squisher
And btw-what does the government backing a new car warranty mean? If GM folds, does that mean that they'll keep the dealership service departments open for 10 years to service the rust through part of their warranty? I somehow doubt that.

Someone asked Gibbs this during the press briefing and he said he would get back to them.

Gibbs is like Obama, he has all the answers.

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: paperfist
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
One idiot CEO down, how many to go?

Depends, do you like freedom or tyranny?

When is Obama going to step down? What a hypocrite, auto companies have to have a plan to get money yet finical institutions do not. Auto companies have to meet benchmarks, finical institutions do not. Leaders of auto companies must step down, not so with finical institutions. Further more the same can be applied to certain members of our political representatives.

Please don't try to use logic with the left.

Well, I have to give you credit for doing as you preach.

You have never tried logic with the left.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, yeah I guess me pointing out you liberals constantly diverting the subject is "off-topic semantics" to morons like you.
Again, what does any of this have to do with Bush? That's right- nothing. What does this have to do with BHO and his minion? EVERYTHING. They forced him out. There is no getting around that fact. Try keeping up. :)

There you are defending an idiotic point about 'Obama stepping down because the nation has deficit spending'. At least you're consistent.

I guess FDR should have stepped down because the country was bad off his first year, and Clinton should have stepped down since the country had deficits his first year.

But there's CAD to attack someone who pointed out PJ's inconsistent standards between Bush and Obama.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: paperfist
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
One idiot CEO down, how many to go?

Depends, do you like freedom or tyranny?

When is Obama going to step down? What a hypocrite, auto companies have to have a plan to get money yet finical institutions do not. Auto companies have to meet benchmarks, finical institutions do not. Leaders of auto companies must step down, not so with finical institutions. Further more the same can be applied to certain members of our political representatives.

Please don't try to use logic with the left.

Well, I have to give you credit for doing as you preach.

You have never tried logic with the left.


But Bush...
 

LTC8K6

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Obama hates deficits. Said so all through his campaign. He's going to get rid of it, don't worry. Cut it in half for sure.