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PhonakV30

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New Beta benchmark , Fury x is 10% faster than 980Ti at 1440p and 5% at 1080.now i think at 4K this should be around 12~15%.

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-02/vulkan-erste-benchmarks-der-neuen-api-in-talos-principle/

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csbin

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http://www.computerbase.de/2016-02/vulkan-erste-benchmarks-der-neuen-api-in-talos-principle/


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http://steamcommunity.com/app/257510/discussions/0/412447331651720139/

Talos and Vulkan Q & A

Q: What is this Vulkan, anyway?

A: Vulkan is a great new graphics programming interface that has much less overhead compared to previous APIs like Direct3D 9, 11 or OpenGL.


Q: Oh, so it's like Direct3D 12?

A: Quite like it, but portable, and not restricted to Windows 10 OS.


Q: I see. Like Apple Metal?

A: That too. But again, portable, and not restricted to iOS and OS X.


Q: So, it's like Mantle then?

A: Right again. But portable, not restricted to just one GPU vendor. And Mantle is pretty much gone. It served its purpose to get things started and I think that a lot of Mantle is now incorporated into Vulkan.
 
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3DVagabond

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LTC8K6 said:
How will overclocks factor in though?
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We're seeing a trend developing though where Fiji performance is steadily improving relative to GM200. It's starting to pull ahead. Looking at older designs where the trend has had longer to develop it's even more pronounced.
 
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Erenhardt

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So let me be first:
Before Vulcan gets any relevant amd will have a compatible drvier/gpu on the market. Chill. ;]
 
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Silverforce11

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Phynaz said:
AMD - "AMD's has not passed the tests yet."

Oh, the irony.
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This is on their official page:

https://www.khronos.org/news/archives

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Is Ars taking a jibe at AMD by referring to the Microsoft process? LOL. AMD's Mantle => Vulkan. Pretty sure they know what they are doing.

Edit: For the lolz, if some of you have time, go re-read the huge epic Mantle threads. I said back then to all the naysers and anti-AMD shillers, that soon their GPUs will all be running AMD code in the DX12/Vulkan era. ;)
 
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Phynaz

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Silverforce11 said:
This is on their official page:

https://www.khronos.org/news/archives

sOaZPl8.jpg


Is Ars taking a jibe at AMD by referring to the Microsoft process? LOL. AMD's Mantle => Vulkan. Pretty sure they know what they are doing.

Edit: For the lolz, if some of you have time, go re-read the huge epic Mantle threads. I said back then to all the naysers and anti-AMD shillers, that soon their GPUs will all be running AMD code in the DX12/Vulkan era. ;)
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Take off your blinders. Even AMD said their drivers aren't conformant in their own press release, which was posted in this thread.

OH, and if you do install the AMD drivers, you lose all other APIs, like that little thing called Direct X.
 
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Bacon1

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Phynaz said:
Take off your blinders. Even AMD said their drivers aren't conformant in their own press release, which was posted in this thread.

OH, and if you do install the AMD drivers, you lose all other APIs, like that little thing called Direct X.
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No you don't. The drivers are an add on. You don't lose DX, you just don't get DX with them. They aren't stand alone drivers.

Also the only issue is a few failing tests which AMD is working on fixing (according to the webinar today). Nvidia's drivers are having crashing issues, AMD are more stable.

Q: Oy! Talos freezes after some minutes in game.

A: Let me guess... you have Windows 10 and nVidia graphic card?


Q: Yes.

A: Well, it kinda does that from time to time. We're still investigatin the issue... Sorry again.
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Phynaz

Phynaz

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Bacon1 said:
No you don't. The drivers are an add on. You don't lose DX, you just don't get DX with them. They aren't stand alone drivers.
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Link please, as that's not what AMD says.

This driver is intended as beta level support for use solely with Vulkan applications and as such some Radeon Software functionality has been removed. This is including and not limited to support for other Graphics APIs, Radeon Settings and other Radeon Software driver features.
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Erenhardt

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Phynaz said:
Link please, as that's not what AMD says.
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I thought you checked it yourself, you were so sure:

Phynaz said:
OH, and if you do install the AMD drivers, you lose all other APIs, like that little thing called Direct X.
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Was that a lie, Phynaz?

For everyone else that doesn't know better: you dont loose dx11, it is an addon. I was able to run dx11 game after installation. Can't say anything about performance difference, but Cryptomining (OpenCL) was a lot slower.
 
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Bacon1

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Phynaz said:
Link please, as that's not what AMD says.
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Right, this driver doesn't include DX and other features, only support for Vulkan. That means its an add on and not a full driver, so don't uninstall your current drivers and purely use the vulkan one.

Tons of people installed the vulkan driver on top of their current driver without issue.
 
Elixer

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Elixer said:
While true, the tests do give a baseline standard.
So, until we know if it was a major issue, or some trivial matter it is hard to say anything other than they failed a test(s).

It just looks bad, no matter how you splice it.
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After setting up the Vulkan SDK (which was a PITA), and compiling the demos & samples, those all worked with those AMD drivers.
Will do Khronos's conformance testing to see where it fails when I get a chance.

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Well, they have newer drivers now...
AMD Radeon™ Software Beta for Vulkan™ Version 16.15.1009 Beta 4
(16.150.1009.0000 Feb 16)
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Vulkan-Beta.aspx

They list
Highlights

VulkanSDK v1.0.3.1 - Compatibility issues addressed
The Talos Principle - SSAO Fixes
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Elixer

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Despoiler said:
Passing tests doesn't give a full picture. Nvidia touted having WHQL DX12 drivers first, but when it came to how good the driver actually was....AMD's betas had less issues.
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You mean like this?
Additionally, only Nvidia's beta driver has passed Vulkan conformance testing. Weirdly, it was Nvidia's driver that proved to be troublesome during testing, often crashing while trying to run the game's built-in 60-second benchmark. AMD's driver had no such issues. Given the early nature of both the drivers and the game, I've no doubt these problems will be ironed out further down the line. In short, take these benchmark results with a large pinch of salt.
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...or-amd-and-nvidia-but-theres-work-to-be-done/
 
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monstercameron

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3DVagabond said:
They were only able to test with nVidia. AMD's and Intel's drivers aren't ready yet.
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I did attempt to run Talos Principle with Vulkan on a Fedora 23 system using the Intel Mesa Vulkan driver on a Core i5 Skylake system with HD Graphics 530, but that continues to run into problems during the main loading screen.
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tested skylake but it ain't working so all this huff and puff earlier in this thread about conformant drivers is just the usual FUD.
 
Phynaz

Phynaz

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No, it's documented driver conformance testing. If the game doesn't work correctly on Vulcan that's the games problem.
 
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