[VR] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Specifications Revealed

[Grooveriding]

however I still have faith Nvidia wouldn't have publicly said what they said if all they had was a few wins and 10% more performance in BF3 if this was their top card.

Okay, then.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

The problem with your assertion is that the product that some of you refer to as the "high end " part doesn't exist yet (GK110/112), it only recently taped out and there's no indication of it entering ES status. And trust me, word hits the streets very fast once a part is in production, there have been no exceptions to this. Once IB ES's were in production, details were released the same day.

My only point is calling a vaporware product that isn't in production a "high end" part is ridiculous. Similarly, when referring to the current CPU product line nobody refers to haswell as the "high end" in their product spectrum, SB-E fits that bill while sandy bridge is mid range. Once IB is released, IB will complement SB in the mid range. Stick to whats real. If GK104 is the highest part nvidia can produce right now, it is their new high end part.

It's a midrange part regardless of how you spin it. Unfortunately it performs so well it competes with a $600 flagship from AMD. I say unfortunately because AMD didn't set the bar high enough so now Nvidia is able to label what was intended as a midrange card as a high end card and sell it as such. I don't usually buy amd cards but I knew when amd priced the 7970 (a midrange performance card) at $600 and people bought them I knew prices were going up across the board.

 

[Screech]

This discussion is all moot, as the 7970 is not high end. It isn't even mid range; it is low end. The 9790 is the bigger die that will destroy it as well as nvidia's offerings. The 8970 will be the midrange.

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I really hope that whatever is released drops prices heavily. Way too much price stagnation over the last couple years.

 

[Vesku]

I think this has been the norm. If GTX 460 had not rang into yield issues, a 384 SP 800Mhz version would have traded blows with the Radeon 5870. The die size of AMD's high end and Nvidia's midrange are around the same ~350mm ballpark. Even the 6970 die is about 390mm and the slightly cripped 6950 competed with the 560 Ti.

Exactly, getting tired of the mixing together of die size and retail price tiers depending on which combination best fits a certain narrative.

Hopefully a Kepler card will hit retail soon and reviewers can get a chance to analyze Kepler vs GCN price/perf, perf/mm2, perf/w, multi-monitor, multi-gpu, water into wine rate of flow and all that jazz.

 

[blastingcap]

It's pretty simple, man. 260, 260-216,280 - 270,285,295 - 460,470,480,too hot - 560,570,580,590. Nvidia has a pretty set and standard nomenclature since after 8800 and they've been using it to define their lineup for a while now. They still have 6XX,7XX,8XX,9XX left to them.

We have someone with the card in hand saying it's a '680', all the rumours calling it a 680. If they were defining the card as a mid-range card, why not just call it a 660 ? We've seen the board, it supports tri/quad sli as well, something else nvidia has not done with their past mid-range cards. There is a lot more pointing to this being a flagship 680 compared to the nothing pointing to it being a mid-range card. Just move on.

Per GK110, once these cards are in production you can't hide them anymore. Someone somewhere, whether it be a worker in the assembly factory with his cell camera or a reviewer anonymously pushing it out; will put out a picture. It's why we've already seen cards with a GK104 on board. The cards are being assembled. GK110 is MIA.

I think we're making too much sense for that dude. Just let him be. It'd be funny to see the look on his face when he sees the price for his allegedly small die GK104, though. Yeah, I'm sure NVDA prices their cards strictly based on die size instead of what the competition is doing. Just like it was completely coincidental that NVDA dropped the price on GTX 460 by $20 right as the HD 6850 was launching... I guess the prices of their dies went down by $20 overnight, huh? What a joke. (Why is he even talking about die size, it's the cost per die that matters, not the size per se, assuming no extreme effects on thermals/power.)

And those people looking back at RV770 forget that AMD's market intelligence was wrong and they were the FIRST mover, not the second mover, which was how the HD 4870 wound up with such a low initial price, relative to the competition.

NVDA is not in that position today. They are the second mover and know exactly how 7*** is priced and how it performs. They can literally look up the prices on Newegg 24/7. And run the card in their own test PCs.

I also haven't forgotten this message that NVDA sent ATI that sounds like they were trying to price-collude: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-ATI-lawsuit-antitrust,6421.html

The X-factors are the cost of the extra RAM on Tahiti, and how willing NVDA is to sacrifice margins to win back market share. While NVDA *could* seriously undercut AMD prices in theory, in practice, due to the 28nm costs and NVDA's history of premium pricing and recent history of NOT significantly undercutting competition, I am not particularly hopeful of a cheap GTX 680.

All I am hoping for now is that GTX 680 slightly undercuts Tahiti, which results in AMD lowering their prices to undercut GTX 680, at least for the 1.5GB versions.

P.S. I guess I knew this was going to happen ever since those stories of Apple soaking up 28nm capacity began circulating. Freaking fruitheads driving up wafer prices for everyone else, ugh. Dear GloFo: hurry the hell up.

This discussion is all moot, as the 7970 is not high end. It isn't even mid range; it is low end. The 9790 is the bigger die that will destroy it as well as nvidia's offerings. The 8970 will be the midrange.

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I really hope that whatever is released drops prices heavily. Way too much price stagnation over the last couple years.

Lol, great analogy for the geniuses on this board to chew on.

 

[chimaxi83]

He said it, "faith". Its the emotion used by humanity when things are unknown. Pretty useless trying to talk sense into people who base what should be rational decisions and/or opinions, on faith. Its really not that serious dudes.

It's a midrange part regardless of how you spin it. Unfortunately it performs so well it competes with a $600 flagship from AMD. I say unfortunately because AMD didn't set the bar high enough so now Nvidia is able to label what was intended as a midrange card as a high end card and sell it as such. I don't usually buy amd cards but I knew when amd priced the 7970 (a midrange performance card) at $600 and people bought them I knew prices were going up across the board.

This is my question, HOW. DO. YOU. KNOW?!

 

[blackened23]

Sometimes I wonder: "why is that frisbee getting bigger?" then it hits me!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Lol, great analogy for the geniuses on this board to chew on.

His trolling is over the top enough to be ignored.

If you want to justify paying $500+ for a mid ranged card from Nvidia be my guest, just don't expect me to agree with it or buy it.

Maybe Nvidia will bank on the ignorance of our market for sales, personally I'd rather that didn't work or happen in the first place.

Hopefully the price trends and sales pressure is great enough on Nvidia to price this as it should be, and not how AMD's price/performance opened the door for pricing not seen in quite some time.

 

[Nintendesert]

Where does the 560 ti, 560 ti 448, 460 se fit in there?

You're arguing it will be priced as a x80 card and cost what a x80 card would, that's not what this dicussion has been about.

That could very well be true due to a number of unknown factors, however the die itself is a mid ranged small die. It is a not a big k die.

We got our first views of GK104 reportedly a month before it hard launches, there isn't much merit in turning the fact that we haven't seen a pcb shot of GK100 yet into it isn't going to appear for 7+ months.

People could simply be assuming it's a GTX 680 because it competes with the 7970, however I still have faith Nvidia wouldn't have publicly said what they said if all they had was a few wins and 10% more performance in BF3 if this was their top card.

The use of the word faith does explain these forums. It's religion now. Just as much as any Apple user. D:

 

[railven]

It seems a lot of things I was saying earlier might be coming true. I should go buy a few lottery tickets.

Hell, just observing other markets, people who think that the old order, what was it, world of technology are being followed need to look closer. These changes in trends didn't happen over night.

When I can play 99% of my games at max settings on a 2 year old card - something is clearly wrong. That's never happened. A top tier card held it's value for 13+ months. What?

Oh well, glad I'm not buying every 6 months, or I'd really be pissed haha.

I wonder if we'll start hearing the cries about "we had these speeds 15 months ago" start echoing from everyone or would hypocrisy mute the once vocal.

 

[railven]

The use of the word faith does explain these forums. It's religion now. Just as much as any Apple user. D:

How dare you speak ill of Steve Jobs, our Lord and Savior! For shame. SHAME!

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

LOL! I totally saw this coming...

Ok, so now youre covering your ass if the GTX 680 barely beats the 7970 (which seems to be the case), by saying its a mid-range card.. Yep, because Nvidia always uses the x80 nomenclature for midrange cards, makes perfect sense... Oh wait

And the funny thing is people have already gone over this point and you still insist otherwise... Since there are always two high end cards (x70 and x80), even if you were to assume Nvidia just "raised" the numbers, there still would be no room for 2 higher cards, since it would result in 700 series already

Cant you see just how hilarious this is? Here is your argument if it were said by an AMD fanboy:

7970 is just a midrange card folks, thats why the die is so small etc...Tenerife is the real deal and it will crush everything Nvidia has to offer

 

[jacktesterson]

Why do most of you purchase these things, besides 2 of them?

I must be lucky, cause If I get a solid 30FPS (no dips below), I'm more than happy.


Spending $1000 on GPU's to play mostly console ports just doesn't make sense to me. But meh, not my money.




My HTPC, mind you its only 768p, will max everything out for a $150 GPU. at 1080p it will play 8/10 games maxed just fine. No Overclocking, no Voltage bumps, no voiding warranties, no extra noise and heat, extra cooling costs, etc.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The use of the word faith does explain these forums. It's religion now. Just as much as any Apple user. D:

Everyone has to have faith when purchasing a product, specifically with a video card...

You need to have faith that it will perform the way it should.

You need to have faith that it will work.

You need to have faith that if it breaks it will be repaired.

You need to have faith that they will continue to support it through drivers.

 

[railven]

Everyone has to have faith when purchasing a product, specifically with a video card...

You need to have faith that it will perform the way it should.

You need to have faith that it will work.

You need to have faith that if it breaks it will be repaired.

You need to have faith that they will continue to support it through drivers.

I dunno if faith is the correct word here, more like expect:

You should expect it to perform as advertised/reviewed.

You should expect it to work, else shitty vendor shop for better product.

If it breaks within warranty you should expect it to be repaired, else expect it to be repaired at your cost.

I don't have "faith" when I buy parts - after research, brother, I got expectations!

EDIT: Woah...that last part in bold, dejavu! That exact phrase was said before by someone else...

 

[chimaxi83]

Everyone has to have faith when purchasing a product, specifically with a video card...

You need to have faith that it will perform the way it should.

You need to have faith that it will work.

You need to have faith that if it breaks it will be repaired.

You need to have faith that they will continue to support it through drivers.

All of this is based on a product with known performance, naming, specs, etc. Unlike this *entire* thread.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I think I see how things are different this time around...

If you guys think back to the 5870 launch and how Fermi launched after, do you think you might have a different oppinion of how that all went down if the GTX560 launched before the flagships? And then, Nvidia taking a bit more time (because the GTX480 was obviously very rushed when looking at the GTX580) could release the GTX580 to battle the 5870... wouldn't that make a difference? I think that's what we're seeing here. Nvidia is smart to launch the midrange first and take some time getting the GK110 up to par. My guess is they learned from the 58xx/Fermi days. And of course this gives AMD time to prep their 6970, or tweaked Tahiti.

What I expect this to mean, Keplar will be a great part, but don't expect it to beat the 7970.

 

[Vesku]

If the GK104 does get released with the 680 moniker, it is safe to assume the big die Kepler will not be arriving sooner than 3 months out. Perhaps as late as a September release with focus on replacing the Fermi Tesla series in companies' 2013 budgets?

 

[Elfear]

Yeah if this is nvidia's mid range and it's trading blows with the 7970 as rumored AMD is in trouble. That's the kind of blow that could send amd running out of the discrete market.

There have been many rumors saying this exact same thing. If it was just one source it would be one thing. Having numerous sources say nvidia's mid range will trade blows with AMD's flagship is downright impressive if you're a Nvidia fan and downright crippling if you root for AMD.

Come on. Would you really want AMD to run out of the discrete market leaving Nvidia to slow down spending on R&D and charge higher premiums? No matter which camp you root for that would be bad. A 10-15% lead from Nvidia's best over AMD's best can still result in healthy competition as we saw the last three generations. The same lead from a mid-range Nvidia part over AMD's best could be bad in the long term.

 

[f1sherman]

MfA via B3D

Last year's Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 Samritan demo ran on 3 GTX 580 Nvidia cards. Today, Epic is showing it on 1 new Kepler Nvidia card

 

[MrK6]

The use of the word faith does explain these forums. It's religion now. Just as much as any Apple user. D:

Pretty much. Having faith in a piece of hardware really is just a new low.

 

[jacktesterson]

Come on. Would you really want AMD to run out of the discrete market leaving Nvidia to slow down spending on R&D and charge higher premiums? No matter which camp you root for that would be bad. A 10-15% lead from Nvidia's best over AMD's best can still result in healthy competition as we saw the last three generations. The same lead from a mid-range Nvidia part over AMD's best could be bad in the long term.

he's trolling

 

[BallaTheFeared]

he's trolling

Seem to be a lot, faith seems to hold a religious context for people here too. :thumbsup:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

MfA via B3D

What's the context here? Nvidia needed tri SLI to run it last time, now they can do it with a single card?

 

[f1sherman]

uhmm you saw Samaritan Demo, right

Yeah 3SLI 580 for realtime rendering it was

http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/GDC2011/Epic.pdf

http://www.geforce.com/News/article...-running-on-next-generation-nvidia-kepler-gpu