Voters vs. Illegal Immigrants. . .

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

I think that calling everyone who dosent agree with your point a racist..... is just plain racist.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Frankly, illegal immigration, I feel, is an insult to all the other naturalized citizens in this country. They all waited their turn to enter and become citizens of this country.

Do I blame illegal immigrants for coming in? No, because the government of Mexico is so corrupt to make unable to serve its people. Terrible trade policies have destroyed a lot of the job market inside Mexico even.

So what's my solution? I'm still formulating it and frankly, no one will like it totally, but that probably will mean that it will work.

One thing I can tell you, we can't be successful on OUR side of the border until Mexico takes care of business on THEIR side of the border.

Money from the U.S. from illegals is the 2nd largest source of income for Mexico, next to their oil exports.

Illegal immigration has totally thrown off and dilluted our labor pool and it needs to be addressed.

Fences and felony charges won't fix the problem. No one "solution" will. It'll take a lot of patience and a lot of consideration to "fix" the problem. I have yet to hear anybody from any side or angle of the situation come up with something that will help.

The effect of about 5% of the labor force leaving the country would be tough and as a society, we're addicted to low prices and corporations are addicted to low wages. I don't think both political parties are to blame and frankly both Sensenbrenner's and the McCain/Kennedy proposals are full of sh*t.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.

This is a bogus argument put forth by people who try to minimize the idea of an illegal immigrant. Unless we were born in another country we are not immigrants. My great Grand Parents were immigrants from Poland, Germany, and Czecheslovokia. They came here through "legal" means and became a "legal" citizen.

What makes these people running across our border not subject to the same immigrations standards? Why should they be allowed to just skate the system?

If they want to become a citizen of the United States get in line and do it legally.

Bullcrap, your ancestors came here with no quotas and no waiting lists, this did not change until whites were not the main people looking for freedom, you are a immigrant just as much as they are, except your familys back is far more "wet" since you had to cower in the bottom of a dirty boats cargo hold to make it here to be greeted and scorned by the same mindset you think you can throw at the newest americans.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.

you know what's funny? I AM an immigrant! I was born in Europe, came here legally, learned the language fluently, and chose American citizenship when I turned 18 and joined the Army... One reason I did so was to give back to the country that had done so much for me and my family! My mother maintains her other citizenship to this day, greencard and all!

So I think that I can speak to the entire process of legal immigration fairly well, dont you? Now, how do you think it makes me feel when I see a bunch of border-jumpers breaking the laws that my family had to jump through hoops of fire to follow to the letter?!

AFAIC, if you're not here legally, then GTFO!

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And there it is, right on cue - the race card!
And yes, many in my family are immigrants, or first- or second-generation Americans, from both Central America and Asia. Difference is, they waited in line and took the legal route.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.

This is a bogus argument put forth by people who try to minimize the idea of an illegal immigrant. Unless we were born in another country we are not immigrants. My great Grand Parents were immigrants from Poland, Germany, and Czecheslovokia. They came here through "legal" means and became a "legal" citizen.

What makes these people running across our border not subject to the same immigrations standards? Why should they be allowed to just skate the system?

If they want to become a citizen of the United States get in line and do it legally.

Bullcrap, your ancestors came here with no quotas and no waiting lists, this did not change until whites were not the main people looking for freedom, you are a immigrant just as much as they are, except your familys back is far more "wet" since you had to cower in the bottom of a dirty boats cargo hold to make it here to be greeted and scorned by the same mindset you think you can throw at the newest americans.

Wrong I was born here, they werent. I am not an immigrant you fool.
Tell them to get in line.

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: Witling
I think Steeplerot pretty much covered the SS and tax question. Believe me, it's not a problem. Paying taxes has little to do with filing a tax return if you work for wages. Answer me this one if it isn't an archaic, racist law. Why is capital free to move anywhere on the globe but labor is not?

Just like your last argument this one is flawed as well. You claim that a company benefits from having their workers pay SS and taxes.... you are wrong.

Sure they get a write off for that, but if they employ legally they have to have insurance for EVERY single worker. Not only that but any other benefit like AD&D, sick pay etc. It is much cheaper to pay 5 dollars an hour in cash under the table. I know several people who employ illegals for cheap labor. And they wouldn't dare report to the government that these people work for them.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

News flash for you, this country is already mostly socialist. Steeplerot is just wrong (IMO) about this issue. It's not fair to the people who live here to have people come in illegally and work cheap. Then on top of that we get stuck with their health care bills if the get sick or injured, we give them food stamps, etc.

Everything I've busted my butt for is at risk if I get injured or seriously ill because they will come and take it away to pay for my medical bills. The illegasls send their money oput of the country and don't worry about it. They run up some bills, then they just dissapear and resurface someplace else.

IT"S JUST NOT FAIR!!

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.

This is a bogus argument put forth by people who try to minimize the idea of an illegal immigrant. Unless we were born in another country we are not immigrants. My great Grand Parents were immigrants from Poland, Germany, and Czecheslovokia. They came here through "legal" means and became a "legal" citizen.

What makes these people running across our border not subject to the same immigrations standards? Why should they be allowed to just skate the system?

If they want to become a citizen of the United States get in line and do it legally.

Bullcrap, your ancestors came here with no quotas and no waiting lists, this did not change until whites were not the main people looking for freedom, you are a immigrant just as much as they are, except your familys back is far more "wet" since you had to cower in the bottom of a dirty boats cargo hold to make it here to be greeted and scorned by the same mindset you think you can throw at the newest americans.

Keep undermining. I came to the U.S in 1987, became a citizen in 2000. Trust me it was no 'free ride'.

Please get your perspectives in odrer.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And there it is, right on cue - the race card!
And yes, many in my family are immigrants, or first- or second-generation Americans, from both Central America and Asia. Difference is, they waited in line and took the legal route.

Does not matter, a racist law is nothing less then a racist law to artifically keep the population a controlled color and deny freedom to all who desire to work and make something of themselves, I doubt if you saw a escaped slave you would report him to the sheriff becasue it was a "law" back in the day, or maybe you would have, since the "law" is the only thing that matters to you instead of using your head, sounds to me like a excuse to blame those of a different color and culture for societys ills, typical.
It always works like this, when things are wrong blame the most defenseless portion of the group.
The ones to blame for this are the people who let these outdated laws create such a mess with employers hiring illegals, the blame lies on the law itself, not the people who only did what was to be expected to happen.

Of course employers are going to try to stay in buisness and hire the cheapest labor, and of course poorest familys of our neighbor are going to come and work, noone is doing this out of spite, its the LAWS that are the problem, they are unrealistclly low for the economic situation in that area of the country, you let something rot for long enough it will sooner or later fall prey to its own disrepair.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Witling
I think Steeplerot pretty much covered the SS and tax question. Believe me, it's not a problem. Paying taxes has little to do with filing a tax return if you work for wages. Answer me this one if it isn't an archaic, racist law. Why is capital free to move anywhere on the globe but labor is not?

Not hardly. Just because it looks like they are witholding money doesn't mean the govement is getting it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: episodic
Why are the constituents being ignored?

Because they are not corporation Board members.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

Sure, there were plenty of American flags at the protests - because people were told to bring them! (LINK) Believe it or not, there are legal immigrants who don't have to be told to wave the U.S. flag at a political rally.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

Sure, there were plenty of American flags at the protests - because people were told to bring them! (LINK) Believe it or not, there are legal immigrants who don't have to be told to wave the U.S. flag at a political rally.

A organizer always reminds people of what is appropriate for the event, signs, flags, etc.

And damn right they brought mexican flags, the flag to them represents their culture and there culture is under ATTACK by racists in this country whipped up by a feeding frenzy of hate, people who have done nothing less then work hard.

These people have fed, washed our clothes, cooked our food, to only suddenly be spit on, damn right they are saying they are a proud people and do not deserve this becasue our system is corrupt.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

Sure, there were plenty of American flags at the protests - because people were told to bring them! (LINK) Believe it or not, there are legal immigrants who don't have to be told to wave the U.S. flag at a political rally.

The majority of flag-waving that I saw seemed to be Mexican or some other central-american country... the majority of the American flags were being used as dew-rags, scarves, or hanging out of their back pockets...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

The majority of flag-waving that I saw seemed to be Mexican or some other central-american country... the majority of the American flags were being used as dew-rags, scarves, or hanging out of their back pockets...

Quit your lying and look at the pictures, you are trying to mislead people to feed your hate again.

They have every right to show the flag of there culture when it is white america who has gone from giving them mutual respect to trashing them saying they are illegals, of course they are proud and show a flag.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

Sure, there were plenty of American flags at the protests - because people were told to bring them! (LINK) Believe it or not, there are legal immigrants who don't have to be told to wave the U.S. flag at a political rally.

A organizer always reminds people of what is appropriate for the event, signs, flags, etc.

And damn right they brought mexican flags, the flag to them represents their culture and there culture is under ATTACK by racists in this country whipped up by a feeding frenzy of hate, people who have done nothing less then work hard.

These people have fed, washed our clothes, cooked our food, to only suddenly be spit on, damn right they are saying they are a proud people and do not deserve this becasue our system is corrupt.

If they dont like the system, go back to ole Mexico. It is just as easy to go back over the fence as it was coming in.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

Sure, there were plenty of American flags at the protests - because people were told to bring them! (LINK) Believe it or not, there are legal immigrants who don't have to be told to wave the U.S. flag at a political rally.

A organizer always reminds people of what is appropriate for the event, signs, flags, etc.

And damn right they brought mexican flags, the flag to them represents their culture and there culture is under ATTACK by racists in this country whipped up by a feeding frenzy of hate, people who have done nothing less then work hard.

nothing less? perhaps you're missing, or totally ignoring, all of the crime statistics coming out of our border states? no?

It's not just their motivated, tired, or sick coming our way, it's also their drug-dealers, gangbangers, and otherwise undesirable folk... YAY!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

Sure, there were plenty of American flags at the protests - because people were told to bring them! (LINK) Believe it or not, there are legal immigrants who don't have to be told to wave the U.S. flag at a political rally.

A organizer always reminds people of what is appropriate for the event, signs, flags, etc.

And damn right they brought mexican flags, the flag to them represents their culture and there culture is under ATTACK by racists in this country whipped up by a feeding frenzy of hate, people who have done nothing less then work hard.

nothing less? perhaps you're missing, or totally ignoring, all of the crime statistics coming out of our border states? no?

It's not just their motivated, tired, or sick coming our way, it's also their drug-dealers, gangbangers, and otherwise undesirable folk... YAY!

What does Rot care? He is thousands of miles away in NYC where he has a firm grasp on the situation.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

Sure, there were plenty of American flags at the protests - because people were told to bring them! (LINK) Believe it or not, there are legal immigrants who don't have to be told to wave the U.S. flag at a political rally.

A organizer always reminds people of what is appropriate for the event, signs, flags, etc.

And damn right they brought mexican flags, the flag to them represents their culture and there culture is under ATTACK by racists in this country whipped up by a feeding frenzy of hate, people who have done nothing less then work hard.

These people have fed, washed our clothes, cooked our food, to only suddenly be spit on, damn right they are saying they are a proud people and do not deserve this becasue our system is corrupt.

If they dont like the system, go back to ole Mexico. It is just as easy to go back over the fence as it was coming in.

we'll even give them a free ride this time!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

It's not just their motivated, tired, or sick coming our way, it's also their drug-dealers, gangbangers, and otherwise undesirable folk... YAY!

All people have there own group of troublemakers, poverty makes more also, On a whole mexicans have been damn polite and law abiding immigrants if you compare them to the irish and their riots. Get a grip.

Save me your tirade how mexicans are lazy dirty crime ridden gangbangers and just call them beaners or something ok? They know what you really think and it shows.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

Sure, there were plenty of American flags at the protests - because people were told to bring them! (LINK) Believe it or not, there are legal immigrants who don't have to be told to wave the U.S. flag at a political rally.

A organizer always reminds people of what is appropriate for the event, signs, flags, etc.

And damn right they brought mexican flags, the flag to them represents their culture and there culture is under ATTACK by racists in this country whipped up by a feeding frenzy of hate, people who have done nothing less then work hard.

nothing less? perhaps you're missing, or totally ignoring, all of the crime statistics coming out of our border states? no?

It's not just their motivated, tired, or sick coming our way, it's also their drug-dealers, gangbangers, and otherwise undesirable folk... YAY!

What does Rot care? He is thousands of miles away in NYC where he has a firm grasp on the situation.

I think that rot is a "she"... but perhaps I was wrong.

Either way, I think NYC's socialist subculture has sucked her in pretty well...

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

It's not just their motivated, tired, or sick coming our way, it's also their drug-dealers, gangbangers, and otherwise undesirable folk... YAY!

All people have there own group of troublemakers, poverty makes more also, On a whole mexicans have been damn polite and law abiding immigrants if you compare them to the irish and their riots. Get a grip.

Save me your tirade how mexicans are lazy dirty crime ridden gangbangers and just call them beaners or something ok? They know what you really think and it shows.

That would be pretty close to your depiction of the Irish eh?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

It's not just their motivated, tired, or sick coming our way, it's also their drug-dealers, gangbangers, and otherwise undesirable folk... YAY!

All people have there own group of troublemakers, poverty makes more also, On a whole mexicans have been damn polite and law abiding immigrants if you compare them to the irish and their riots. Get a grip.

Save me your tirade how mexicans are lazy dirty crime ridden gangbangers and just call them beaners or something ok? They know what you really think and it shows.

you ought to watch Carlos Mencia sometime... that "beloved patriot" is fvckin funny!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

What does Rot care? He is thousands of miles away in NYC where he has a firm grasp on the situation.

I think that rot is a "she"... but perhaps I was wrong.

Either way, I think NYC's socialist subculture has sucked her in pretty well...[/quote]

1. I am not a socialist so save your crap, I am american and though there is a lot socialist about this country that would make you one too.

2. I have lived mainly in the southwest cities (west coast -LA, SF, Portland, Sacramento) for decades and where I live now I think we are about the only mainly white people on our block, our neighborhood is FULL of cultures from everywhere, except for the republicans across the street who smoke crack so we avoid, they are the only whites I know of nearby.

Our neighborhood would suck if immigrants were gone, much less be EMPTY. You obviously have no clue about NYC metro area, I would say its far more diverse then CA, and you know what? Its all the better for it too, I would much rather live in a thriving community of different languages and flavors as this is the REAL america imo, this is how we all started, this is where the action is and people are really doing something with themselves moving up.