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Voter ID

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I see you didn't bother to consider why over half of all Americans are currently not working. Pity. It could really help you remedy your ignorance on this subject.
It might be because of

a.) Retired people
b.) disabled
c.) Spouses of employed people
d.) Unemployed but looking for work
e.) Children (we have a thing called child labor laws)
f.) Living the thug life

Now I bet almost all people in the first 4 options will have ID. And (e) is unable to vote. And I really dont care if group (f) is disenfranchised.

But it does not matter. Because I never said you should have to have a job to vote. I said that you should:

1.) Not be working illegally under the table.
2.) Not be unemployed because you lack the ID necessary to work.
 
Had you actually bothered to read the other threads -- or even to close you mouth, open your mind, and think -- you might have a clue how so many Americans get along perfectly fine without photo IDs, while not taking a single dime of illegal or unreported income.

Again, why is it so hard to answer the question straight up.

How can a working age man legally obtain money without working for it.
 
It might be because of

a.) Retired people
b.) disabled
c.) Spouses of employed people
d.) Unemployed but looking for work
e.) Children (we have a thing called child labor laws)
f.) Living the thug life
Very good! Gold star for you. I knew you could do it if you tried. FYI, you left off students. There are many reasons Americans may not be employed yet have full voting rights.

By the way, one does not have to have a photo ID to get a job. A birth certificate and SS card qualify, IIRC. Yet another reason your position fails.



Now I bet almost all people in the first 4 options will have ID.
Most ... but not all. And the ones who don't still have the right to vote, generally speaking.


And (e) is unable to vote. And I really dont care if group (f) is disenfranchised.
For the umpteenth time, your cares are 100% irrelevant. You do not get to say who does and does not get to vote. You badly need to get that through your head.


But it does not matter. Because I never said you should have to have a job to vote. I said that you should:

1.) Not be working illegally under the table.
2.) Not be unemployed because you lack the ID necessary to work.
And you continually insinuated that people without IDs must fall into one of those two categories. You were wrong, something repeatedly pointed out to you by multiple people.
 
Again, why is it so hard to answer the question straight up.
Indulging lazy people only encourages them to remain lazy. If you are going to spout opinions about a subject, you should educate yourself on the subject first.


How can a working age man legally obtain money without working for it.
Many ways, but that's totally irrelevant to voting rights, and totally irrelevant to why a segment of eligible voters lack photo IDs. The question is a red herring.
 
Very good! Gold star for you. I knew you could do it if you tried. FYI, you left off students. There are many reasons Americans may not be employed yet have full voting rights.

By the way, one does not have to have a photo ID to get a job. A birth certificate and SS card qualify, IIRC. Yet another reason your position fails.

Maybe, until such time as they get their first pay check and need ID to cash it.

And I am not sure how a student is suppose to pay for college, unless they are part of the 1%, without working.

And you continually insinuated that people without IDs must fall into one of those two categories. You were wrong, something repeatedly pointed out to you by multiple people.

I said most. Because there is really no legitimate excuse for not having ID in today's world.
 
Indulging lazy people only encourages them to remain lazy. If you are going to spout opinions about a subject, you should educate yourself on the subject first.



Many ways, but that's totally irrelevant to voting rights, and totally irrelevant to why a segment of eligible voters lack photo IDs. The question is a red herring.

It is not lazy when I look through all 10 pages of your bumped thread and not once do you explain how minorities manage to legally earn money without ID.
 
It is not lazy when I look through all 10 pages of your bumped thread and not once do you explain how minorities manage to legally earn money without ID.
Nor am I going to when it is an irrelevant and dishonest question. It has nothing to do with voting rights, and it will never have anything to do with voting rights, no matter how many times you bleat it. Drop it.
 
Maybe, until such time as they get their first pay check and need ID to cash it.
I'm sorry if they don't have auto-deposit in your century, but it's an easy and quick way to to automagically move money from your employer to your bank. It's really amazing. You should look into it.


And I am not sure how a student is suppose to pay for college, unless they are part of the 1%, without working.
Nope, that one's too stupid for me to answer for you. Once again, you'll have to work that out on your own. Another gold star when you do!


I said most. Because there is really no legitimate excuse for not having ID in today's world.
And you were wrong, on both counts. Yet again, your insular, white bread experience is not representative of the broad spectrum of Americans. The sooner you get that through your head, the sooner you'll stop making dumb assumptions.
 
We are sorry that you didn't hear what you wanted to beating this dead horse yet AGAIN....


You can't read or if you can, you can't think. What, pray tell, about MY thread is beating a dead horse? Show me one other thread here that is about showing proof that one is a legal citizen of this country and eligible, in order to register to vote?

If that is done, it would make the Voter ID issue moot.

I await your answer.


p.s., I will not be holding my breath.
 
You can't read or if you can, you can't think. What, pray tell, about MY thread is beating a dead horse? Show me one other thread here that is about showing proof that one is a legal citizen of this country and eligible, in order to register to vote?

If that is done, it would make the Voter ID issue moot.

I await your answer.


p.s., I will not be holding my breath.

Umm your really not aware of the numerous voter I.D threads on this forum?

Oh well....
 
You need ID to open a bank account.
There are many forms of ID besides state-issued drivers licenses. But beyond that, I opened my primary bank accounts almost 40 years ago, before I had a drivers license. When I added my wife to that account, we didn't have to show an ID. I just had to approve the signature card. We opened bank accounts for our children when they were relatively young. Once again, no drivers license required. You keep making dumb assumptions because you just can't wrap your head around the fact that not everyone lived the same life you did.

Now, before you miss the point and blunder along again, let this soak in. As best I can remember, the only times I've been required to present my DL in the last few years is when flying, when renting a car, and when renewing my DL. Oh, and I think I have been asked for my DL when buying cars. That's it. There are a tremendous number of Americans who don't do any of those things.
 
There are many forms of ID besides state-issued drivers licenses. But beyond that, I opened my primary bank accounts almost 40 years ago, before I had a drivers license. When I added my wife to that account, we didn't have to show an ID. I just had to approve the signature card. We opened bank accounts for our children when they were relatively young. Once again, no drivers license required. You keep making dumb assumptions because you just can't wrap your head around the fact that not everyone lived the same life you did.

Now, before you miss the point and blunder along again, let this soak in. As best I can remember, the only times I've been required to present my DL in the last few years is when flying, when renting a car, and when renewing my DL. Oh, and I think I have been asked for my DL when buying cars. That's it. There are a tremendous number of Americans who don't do any of those things.

You mean some of lived in the 21st Century. When I have opened a bank account I needed ID. When my elderly Grandmother opened a bank account 2 years ago she had to present ID (and in fact there was a whole lot of trouble because she had to go about getting a copy of her marriage certificate, because her birth certificate last name didnt match her current one). When ever I have started a job I have had to show ID.
 
You mean some of lived in the 21st Century. When I have opened a bank account I needed ID. When my elderly Grandmother opened a bank account 2 years ago she had to present ID (and in fact there was a whole lot of trouble because she had to go about getting a copy of her marriage certificate, because her birth certificate last name didnt match her current one). When ever I have started a job I have had to show ID.
That's nice. What part of "You're not the center of the universe" escapes you? How many times do I have to point out that your life experiences are only a tiny subset of all the experiences and situations that exist for the great diversity of people we call Americans?

Certainly there are all sorts of reasons one MAY need a drivers license. MAY is the key word there. A great many people do not have any of those reasons. They already have their bank account. They already have a job ... or in a huge number of cases they had their job, worked for 30 or 40 years, and are now retired. Or they are students who don't drive and get by on a student ID, something many of the Republican voter suppression laws prohibit as a valid voter ID. (Why is that, do you suppose?) For me, for example, rather than writing checks, I use American Express for almost everything I buy in person. I don't get asked for ID when I use my AmEx. American Express is also quite happy to take my mailed check every month, no ID required. I've noticed Amazon and Newegg never ask me for my ID either.


All of this is a complete diversion from the real issue here. Photo voter ID laws do effectively nothing to improve election integrity. First, there is no evidence that in-person voter fraud happens to any material extent. Absentee ballot fraud? Yes. In-person fraud? No. Photo voter ID laws purport to solve a problem that basically doesn't exist.

Second, even if there was a material level of in-person voter fraud, photo ID laws won't help, Such laws are trivially easy to circumvent simply by switching to an absentee ballot instead. Further, an absentee ballot is faster, easier, and far less risky than standing in long voting lines, pretending to be someone you're not. If you wanted to sway an election, in-person fraud is about the worst possible way to do it. Absentee ballots are far easier. Not coincidentally, virtually all of the examples of voting fraud offered by Republicans have actually been absentee ballot fraud, not in-person fraud.

Third, it is a simple, statistical fact that a certain American demographic is disproportionately more likely to lack the state photo ID mandated by these laws. This demographic includes the elderly, the poor, minorities, and students. This demographic is statistically more likely to vote for Democrats. Therefore, photo voter ID laws will have the effect of suppressing Democratic votes in favor of Republicans -- all while NOT having a material impact on vote fraud.

So, given that these laws are unnecessary, ineffective, and discriminatory against a Democratic voter demographic, why do you suppose Republican officials are pushing so hard for such laws? One possibility is they're a bunch of clueless idiots. They truly do not understand why their darling law does not accomplish its purported goal while fortuitously suppressing votes for their opponents. Sure. Two, they know exactly what they're doing and fully understand that photo ID laws do exactly what they really want: help Republicans win elections.

Now which do you suppose is the real reason?
 
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This is not, repeat, NOT about Voter ID.

I bet you voted for obama, didn't you?

You linked an article that was mostly about a voter id law in Arizona, and you think this isn't about voter id? It may not have been your primary thought, but the article clearly made this thread just as much about voter id laws as anything you wanted it to be. In addition you may notice that you named the thread title "Voter ID". I'm glad you didn't vote for Obama, it reinforces that the smarter of us are the ones that did vote for him.
 
You linked an article that was mostly about a voter id law in Arizona, and you think this isn't about voter id? It may not have been your primary thought, but the article clearly made this thread just as much about voter id laws as anything you wanted it to be. In addition you may notice that you named the thread title "Voter ID". I'm glad you didn't vote for Obama, it reinforces that the smarter of us are the ones that did vote for him.
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Yep, if he didn't want this thread to be about voter ID ... naming it "Voter ID" was probably not the right way to start.
 
You linked an article that was mostly about a voter id law in Arizona, and you think this isn't about voter id? It may not have been your primary thought, but the article clearly made this thread just as much about voter id laws as anything you wanted it to be. In addition you may notice that you named the thread title "Voter ID". I'm glad you didn't vote for Obama, it reinforces that the smarter of us are the ones that did vote for him.

You linked an article that was mostly about a voter id law in Arizona, and you think this isn't about voter id?

This is what I said....

One does not, repeat, NOT have to prove citizenship to register to vote, but now, only in Arizona, have to prove they are who they say they are to actually vote.

Are we that stupid? I guess the answer is YES!

So if the Courts say a State can NOT ask to have a person prove citizenship to register, there is just one option remaining: Bounties.

I suggest that a State, say Texas, pass a law that will give to any citizen a bounty of $1,000 for turning in a person that votes in an election and that person is NOT authorized to do so.

This illegal voting has got to stop. Also, all voting must be done via a paper ballot. It does no good at all to vote then have your vote "counted" by a foreign owned company with no means to recount the votes.

I don't care what you think the linked article was about, it was in fact about the Courts saying that the State's cannot force those that wish to register to vote to prove they are in fact eligible.

Once again.....

If all the county Registrars could force those that wish to register to vote actually prove they are US citizens eligible to vote, then there would not be a need for Voter ID.

Why don't you focus on that issue?
 
So, given that these laws are unnecessary, ineffective, and discriminatory against a Democratic voter demographic, why do you suppose Republican officials are pushing so hard for such laws? One possibility is they're a bunch of clueless idiots. They truly do not understand why their darling law does not accomplish its purported goal while fortuitously suppressing votes for their opponents. Sure. Two, they know exactly what they're doing and fully understand that photo ID laws do exactly what they really want: help Republicans win elections.

Now which do you suppose is the real reason?

Well, I assume that Republicans are not stupid enough to suppress their own votes.

But it seems like their is a clear bipartisan majority in favor of it. Pretty sure that 70% of voters are not Republican.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...quirement_before_voting_does_not_discriminate
 
Well, I assume that Republicans are not stupid enough to suppress their own votes.

But it seems like their is a clear bipartisan majority in favor of it. Pretty sure that 70% of voters are not Republican.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...quirement_before_voting_does_not_discriminate
Of course, because they bought the Republican propaganda. Almost anyone will say "yes" if you ask them out of the blue, "Do you favor reducing election fraud by requiring voters to present ID when they vote?" After all, like you and me, the majority of Americans have drivers licenses themselves and have no clue that a significant subset of Americans do not. (Look how much it's taken to get you to even consider this fact.) Most Americans have no clue about how such laws disenfranchise many voters, nor that those voters tend to match a specific set of demographics. Most Americans have no idea that there is virtually no in-person voter fraud, and that photo ID laws won't really reduce fraud anyway.

In any case, popularity is not a reliable way to determine if something is right or wrong. I'll bet I can find dozens of issues where popular opinion runs contrary to yours. Right?
 
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No you don't. I recently opened an out of state checking account online before moving to a new location. Worked just fine without any photo ID. Try again.
Good point. I hadn't thought of that. I opened an account with an Internet bank about three years ago and wasn't asked for a DL.

It's an interesting shift in perspectives for me. Although I recognize there are many people who get along fine without state photo IDs, I'd been looking at is as mostly an artifact of the old days. I think about it as more of a small town, very personal, old-fashioned way of conducting business. But I see now it's also the wave of the future. As more and more of our life moves online there will be less demand for in-person IDs. Instead, more and more of our business will be handled remotely with electronic identity validation rather than a physical ID.
 
Of course, because they bought the Republican propaganda. Almost anyone will say "yes" if you ask them out of the blue, "Do you favor reducing election fraud by requiring voters to present ID when they vote?" After all, like you and me, the majority of Americans have drivers licenses themselves and have no clue that a significant subset of Americans do not. (Look how much it's taken to get you to even consider this fact.) Most Americans have no clue about how such laws disenfranchise many voters, nor that those voters tend to match a specific set of demographics. In any case, popularity is not a reliable way to determine if something is right or wrong. I'll bet I can find dozens of issues where popular opinion runs contrary to yours. Right?

Or maybe it is because they have their ID checked for dozens of things and dont find it an unreasonable burden, while at the same time making them feel better about their electoral system.
 
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