Voter ID

[a777pilot]

Good grief. We have met the enemy and they are us.

Read this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/17/appeals-court-upholds-arizona-voter-id-requirement/

One does not, repeat, NOT have to prove citizenship to register to vote, but now, only in Arizona, have to prove they are who they say they are to actually vote.

Are we that stupid? I guess the answer is YES!

So if the Courts say a State can NOT ask to have a person prove citizenship to register, there is just one option remaining: Bounties.

I suggest that a State, say Texas, pass a law that will give to any citizen a bounty of $1,000 for turning in a person that votes in an election and that person is NOT authorized to do so.

This illegal voting has got to stop. Also, all voting must be done via a paper ballot. It does no good at all to vote then have your vote "counted" by a foreign owned company with no means to recount the votes.

 

[waggy]

yeah its nuts.

I really don't see the problem with proving you are who you say you are to be able to vote.

 

[etrigan420]

Didn't we *just* go over this?

 

[ichy]

Race-baiters claim it's racist.

 

[a777pilot]

Didn't we *just* go over this?

Only the ID to actually vote part.

The important part is the proof of citizenship to register to vote.

Showing an ID to actually vote just lets those in charge at the voting place know that one is the actual illegal registered to vote that is now going to vote.

Stupid is as stupid does. We really are that stupid it would seem.

 

[corwin]

But we wouldn't want to unduly burden the illegal population in this country from voting their preferred candidate into office, that would be truly racist and against the American way of life....think of the anchor children

 

[Ausm]

Didn't we *just* go over this?

^^ Also this legislation was deemed unconstitutional in my State...Suck it ALEC...

 

[fskimospy]

I'm glad the heroic policy warriors of ATPN are working so hard to stop something from happening that already doesn't happen. Bravo!

Voter ID laws are one of the most obvious examples of stupid people following a ginned up controversy because their political football team supports it.

 

[IGBT]

we have to show a picture ID to vote in union contract negotiations. Liberals don't want picture ID's because they need the votes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Illegal voting is one of those cattle prod issues drovers of the paranoid sheep in the Republican party are manipulated to go psycho bonkers around with the real purpose of suppressing the democratic vote of minorities who, having born the brunt of many such previous self-congratulatory-boob inspired attacks, naturally vote anything but Republican and have the indecency of breading in ever increasing percentage-of-the-population numbers.

All that is needed to stir the psychosis pot among defective conservative paranoid brains is an evil unknown out there somewhere that's out to get them, some illegitimate, not God stamped OK folk like them, but folk who are obviously evil because they are in some way identifiably different and then to attribute to them some unholy act like voting as if they too were God stamped OK. And all you need is evidence that such a thing might have happened once for these fanatics to demand that everybody who ever votes in one of their elections must carry on him the mark of the devil. That's right, these psychotic boobs have been enlisted to work in these end times for the Anti-Christ who has hidden himself in the last place any boob would ever think to look, prominently in their midsts.

 

[thraashman]

we have to show a picture ID to vote in union contract negotiations. Liberals don't want picture ID's because they need the votes.

Um, if voter fraud actually happened to any significant degree. If these voter id laws would actually do anything to stop the voter fraud that does occur. If the GOP was actually attempting to stop the more significant occurrence of voter fraud which is absentee ballots (but they are also much more likely to be votes for the GOP). And if the voter id laws didn't create a stop fraud to disenfranchise rate of approximately 1:250,000 ... then, liberals might be for these laws.

However, because they are virtually useless, majorly wasteful, and massively unconstitutional, liberals are against them. Basically, every liberal already knows that any conservative claiming a desire to stop fraud that doesn't occur is full of shit. Those conservatives know they're full of shit and adding these laws explicitly to prevent legal voters. Independents know it's all bs hoopla. Why can't we all just come out and admit the truth and start referring to these as voter disenfranchisement laws?

 

[nehalem256]

However, because they are virtually useless, majorly wasteful, and massively unconstitutional, liberals are against them. Basically, every liberal already knows that any conservative claiming a desire to stop fraud that doesn't occur is full of shit. Those conservatives know they're full of shit and adding these laws explicitly to prevent legal voters. Independents know it's all bs hoopla. Why can't we all just come out and admit the truth and start referring to these as voter disenfranchisement laws?

How is requiring people to show ID to vote unconstitutional?

You have to show ID to get a job. It seems to me that all of these "minorities" that will be disenfranchised are then illegally working under the table, or sucking at the teat of the government. Either way I am happy to see them "disenfranchised".

 

[fskimospy]

They are more voter suppression laws than disenfranchisement. While the right to vote remains, Republicans are attempting to enact laws that disproportionately affect people who tend to vote against them in the hopes that this will limit the number that vote.

At some point in the past I was willing to accept that those who promoted and defended these laws were simply ignorant, and that they were being advocated for in good faith. Considering the amount of information available now, it is extraordinarily difficult for me to believe that voter ID law supporters are now doing so in an informed an honest manner. It's a question of deliberate ignorance or active voter suppression.

 

[fskimospy]

How is requiring people to show ID to vote unconstitutional?

You have to show ID to get a job. It seems to me that all of these "minorities" that will be disenfranchised are then illegally working under the table, or sucking at the teat of the government. Either way I am happy to see them "disenfranchised".

For like the 5,000th time on here, it is because they are creating a barrier to voting that serves no purpose, expressly to limit turnout of unfriendly constituencies. There is absolutely zero evidence that the type of vote fraud that these laws are intended to prevent exists in any numbers that are meaningful. They have made a law to battle something that doesn't exist, and in doing so have made it more difficult for people to vote.

It's a partisan political tactic, which is why you will see the same groups of people pushing for voter ID laws completely ignore ACTUAL avenues for voter fraud, because those tend to skew Republican. It's vile.

 

[cybrsage]

we have to show a picture ID to vote in union contract negotiations. Liberals don't want picture ID's because they need the votes.

Doesn't that mean union bosses are all racists who hate the poor?

 

[nehalem256]

For like the 5,000th time on here, it is because they are creating a barrier to voting that serves no purpose, expressly to limit turnout of unfriendly constituencies. There is absolutely zero evidence that the type of vote fraud that these laws are intended to prevent exists in any numbers that are meaningful. They have made a law to battle something that doesn't exist, and in doing so have made it more difficult for people to vote.

And how would you collect such evidence without checking ID? Oh right you cant.

Require people to show ID is not an undue burden.

 

[fskimospy]

And how would you collect such evidence without checking ID? Oh right you cant.

Require people to show ID is not an undue burden.

That is obviously false, and even a cursory review of either previous threads on here or a brief look into how auditing is done would show you why.

Hell, even if you sat down and thought it over yourself you should be able to figure that one out. Think about how votes are recorded, and think about what can happen if someone impersonates another voter at the polls.

It is a solution in search of a problem. Actually, it is a solution to a problem, but that problem is that too many people keep voting for Democrats.

 

[cybrsage]

Buying liquor is more vital to the US than voting...which is why picture ID is required to buy liquor but not vote.

 

[nehalem256]

That is obviously false, and even a cursory review of either previous threads on here or a brief look into how auditing is done would show you why.

Hell, even if you sat down and thought it over yourself you should be able to figure that one out. Think about how votes are recorded, and think about what can happen if someone impersonates another voter at the polls.

It is a solution in search of a problem. Actually, it is a solution to a problem, but that problem is that too many people keep voting for Democrats.

So your argument is that Democrats are too stupid to get an ID?

It wouldnt be the first time stupid voters cost Democrats an election. They made the same argument in Florida 2000. That Democratic voters were too stupid to successfully follow directions on voting and so Bush "stole" the election.

 

[kage69]

Buying liquor is more vital to the US than voting...which is why picture ID is required to buy liquor but not vote.

Let's see, one is a controlled substance for sale, the other is a right of citizens that is not being threatened with fraud.

Perfectly logical banana republican comparison, no problems there at all. lol


If only you guys had bothered with the other thread, so much fail in here could have been avoided. Or was the smell of BBQ'd monovillage too overpowering?

 

[nehalem256]

Let's see, one is a controlled substance for sale, the other is a right of citizens that is not being threatened with fraud.

Hard to see how a citizen would not have valid identification.

Especially since ID is required for say, having a job. So if they dont ID are they working illegally (and robbing the govt of tax revenue), or are they engaging in theft/drug trade, or are they dead (which is a common problem for voters in Illinois).

 

[Moonbeam]

Every rational mind in the universe will see that voter ID is about voter suppression and every defective conservative brain will deny this until the end of time.

As soon as the vote of the suppressed reaches numbers that suppression can no longer control and Democrats will elections in droves, the handlers of the psychotic right will be out in in great numbers to announce the discovery of new and wonderful friends now to be welcomed and taken care of, the very minorities and down and outs they try to suppress today. I actually suspect to see this very soon in the Mitteus Romneo campaign.

 

[fskimospy]

Hard to see how a citizen would not have valid identification.

Especially since ID is required for say, having a job. So if they dont ID are they working illegally (and robbing the govt of tax revenue), or are they engaging in theft/drug trade, or are they dead (which is a common problem for voters in Illinois).

First of all, stupidity has no effect on what rights you have or whether they can be restricted. Secondly, a job is not the same as the right to vote. A right to a job is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, while the right to vote appears in numerous amendments.

If someone, anyone can show through statistical evidence that in person voter fraud exists in amounts large enough to stand a reasonable chance at affecting election outcomes, ill be the first to support it. The fact that the right has been utterly unable to do so for decades. Ow despite an intense effort should tell you something. What you should ask yourself is why you support laws based on no evidence.

 

[CPA]

Illegal voting is one of those cattle prod issues drovers of the paranoid sheep in the Republican party are manipulated to go psycho bonkers around with the real purpose of suppressing the democratic vote of minorities who, having born the brunt of many such previous self-congratulatory-boob inspired attacks, naturally vote anything but Republican and have the indecency of breading in ever increasing percentage-of-the-population numbers.

All that is needed to stir the psychosis pot among defective conservative paranoid brains is an evil unknown out there somewhere that's out to get them, some illegitimate, not God stamped OK folk like them, but folk who are obviously evil because they are in some way identifiably different and then to attribute to them some unholy act like voting as if they too were God stamped OK. And all you need is evidence that such a thing might have happened once for these fanatics to demand that everybody who ever votes in one of their elections must carry on him the mark of the devil. That's right, these psychotic boobs have been enlisted to work in these end times for the Anti-Christ who has hidden himself in the last place any boob would ever think to look, prominently in their midsts.

So even with all of the examples out there, the most recent being in Illinois, perpetrated by democrats, illegal voting is really just a boogie man in our heads?

 

[CPA]

For like the 5,000th time on here, it is because they are creating a barrier to voting that serves no purpose, expressly to limit turnout of unfriendly constituencies. There is absolutely zero evidence that the type of vote fraud that these laws are intended to prevent exists in any numbers that are meaningful. They have made a law to battle something that doesn't exist, and in doing so have made it more difficult for people to vote.

It's a partisan political tactic, which is why you will see the same groups of people pushing for voter ID laws completely ignore ACTUAL avenues for voter fraud, because those tend to skew Republican. It's vile.

You act as if libs are off the grid.