Voter Fraud!

[spacejamz]

Please answer how poor people get welfare benefits which require ID or senior citizens receive medical benefits which require ID but somehow can't ID to vote....

 

[fskimospy]

Why would it be under one name??? How do you prove that someone didn't register and vote as their neighbor or someone else?

So now they are stealing mail too? You need proof of address. You would also see duplicate registrations.

It's amazing how for the conspiracy must expand.

 

[dank69]

Can one of the loony libs who posted in this thread explain how to show in person voter fraud is happening when there is no reliable way to verify the person voting is who he says he is?

Can you tell me how voter fraud was prevented before the invention of the camera?

 

[nehalem256]

So now they are stealing mail too? You need proof of address. You would also see duplicate registrations.

It's amazing how for the conspiracy must expand.

Or they could be illegal immigrants.

For obvious reasons illegal immigrants are going to have difficulty obtaining US Photo ID. And given Obama's pandering to them it is obvious who they will vote for.

 

[dank69]

Or they could be illegal immigrants.

For obvious reasons illegal immigrants are going to have difficulty obtaining US Photo ID. And given Obama's pandering to them it is obvious who they will vote for.

How would an illegal immigrant register to vote?

 

[berzerker60]

1) Not everyone we're talking about gets welfare, 2) several of these laws have been specifically crafted to screw over these groups so specific types of IDs aren't allowed - for example, in I think it was the Wisconsin one, even a veteran's military ID didn't count, 3) lots of seniors who don't drive anymore let their driver's license expire without having reason to renew it.

The outrage isn't that this is going to be a HUGE HUGE impact on the election that impacts some enormous amount of these groups. It's that it will impact some in close elections, and meanwhile it's a 'solution' lacking a problem, which if the liberals suggested it would be "BIG BROTHER RUN AMOK," "MORE LIBERAL INEFFICIENCY AND GOVERNMENT IN EVERYTHING," "LIBERALS WASTING OUR MONEY AGAIN," but here it helps Team Red, so it's all a-okay. This despite America's long history of voter suppression through everything from violent terrorism to poll taxes to "literacy" requirements aimed at keeping minorities from voting.

 

[cybrsage]

Can you tell me how voter fraud was prevented before the invention of the camera?

It wasn't, which is the problem. However, I recognize that this is simply your way of saying you have no answer to my question. If you actually do, state it. You want proof of voter fraud happening, I want to know how to collect this information you demand.

How would one go about proving voter fraud when there is no way to show it is happening?

 

[cybrsage]

How would an illegal immigrant register to vote?

They fill out the form.

 

[dank69]

It wasn't, which is the problem. However, I recognize that this is simply your way of saying you have no answer to my question. If you actually do, state it. You want proof of voter fraud happening, I want to know how to collect this information you demand.

How would one go about proving voter fraud when there is no way to show it is happening?

Post 48 & 49 already answered your question, but I'm guess that simple logic isn't good enough for you.

Good for you the camera was invented so now we can put a stop to this rampant crime.

 

[nehalem256]

How would an illegal immigrant register to vote?

The same way the immigrant in the story I posted on the first page did.

 

[dank69]

They fill out the form.

Oh, so they don't also have to submit approved documentation proving they are who they say they are? :hmm:

 

[nehalem256]

Can you tell me how voter fraud was prevented before the invention of the camera?

1.) It wasnt, see Chicago.

2.) People lived in small communities and knew each other

 

[dank69]

...

2.) People lived in small communities and knew each other

Why, that's BRILLIANT!

 

[thraashman]

These threads have run their course. There's no convincing a conservative that these voter id laws are voter suppression and try to solve a problem that doesn't exist, they already know and accept this. You can't convince someone of something they already know. The problem is that conservatives won't admit to it. It's very hard to get someone who's cheating to admit to cheating if that cheating helps them and can't be conclusively proven. Therefore, they do what's called "lying". The lie and claim it's about voter fraud because being truthful and telling us that they're trying to suppress legal voters would be a crime.

Anyone who is literate, sane, and a better human being than your average child murdering terrorist would never support a law that does 50k times more bad than good. That'd be like forcibly injecting a vaccine to cure a disease that killed 100 people when the vaccine will kill 2 million.

 

[kage69]

...what? So your argument against photo IDs is that republicans are closing DMV's, preventing democrats from getting photo IDs? Seriously? Really? Are you that fucking retarded? You aren't even in 9/11 truther kook territory, you are in like, history channel ancient aliens land.

Please grow up.

That's not my argument against photo IDs, you asked if you were missing something. I provided some info that would help you understand that this concern about voter fraud is a complete fabrication. It's not about fraud, it's about mitigating Dem votes as much as possible.

I wouldn't have a problem with implementing IDs as long as it was assured that it would not disenfranchise anyone. Repubs don't seem to give a shit about that part, and have in fact been working to promote it for people that normally vote Dem.

Political ploy, and you're falling for it. "Am I missing something?" Yes, QP; evidence of the problem, intellectual honesty, the maturity needed to address it without resorting to ad homs, should I go on? Why don't you go dig up the other dozen threads about this, read'em, and get back to us. I recommend the one where monovillage gets hoisted by his own petard concerning absentee ballots, it's amusing.

edit: forgot to add "reading comprehension" for the missing list, doh

 

[QuantumPion]

These threads have run their course. There's no convincing a conservative that these voter id laws are voter suppression and try to solve a problem that doesn't exist, they already know and accept this. You can't convince someone of something they already know. The problem is that conservatives won't admit to it. It's very hard to get someone who's cheating to admit to cheating if that cheating helps them and can't be conclusively proven. Therefore, they do what's called "lying". The lie and claim it's about voter fraud because being truthful and telling us that they're trying to suppress legal voters would be a crime.

Anyone who is literate, sane, and a better human being than your average child murdering terrorist would never support a law that does 50k times more bad than good. That'd be like forcibly injecting a vaccine to cure a disease that killed 100 people when the vaccine will kill 2 million.

Bahaha. Well I guess you can't admit when you are wrong and have clearly lost the argument, but that is close enough.

 

[nehalem256]

I wouldn't have a problem with implementing IDs as long as it was assured that it would not disenfranchise anyone. Repubs don't seem to give a shit about that part, and have in fact been working to promote it for people that normally vote Dem.

Which of course explains why the bills requiring photo ID also make that ID available for free.

 

[dank69]

Bahaha. Well I guess you can't admit when you are wrong and have clearly lost the argument, but that is close enough.

You've got a great combination of ignorance and arrogance going there.

 

[QuantumPion]

Please grow up.

That's not my argument against photo IDs, you asked if you were missing something. I provided some info that would help you understand that this concern about voter fraud is a complete fabrication.

I wouldn't have a problem with implementing IDs as long as it was assured that it would not disenfranchise anyone. Repubs don't seem to give a shit about that part, and have in fact been working to promote it for people that normally vote Dem.

Political ploy, and you're falling for it. "Am I missing something?" Yes, QP; evidence of teh problem, intellectual honesty, the maturity needed to address without resorting to ad hom, should I go on? Why don't you go dig up the other dozen threads about this, read'em, and get back to us. I recommend the one where monovillage gets hoisted by his own petard concerning absentee ballots, it's amusing.

The "info" you provided was simply wild conspiracy claims about the Kock brothers. And you are calling me intellectually dishonest? Haha.

Honestly the discourse in P&N has really been downhill lately. The liberals are just totally losing their grip on reality due to Obama's failure freefall.

 

[QuantumPion]

You've got a great combination of ignorance and arrogance going there.

I think you mistook me for Thrashman. Reread his last post. He basically says "conservatives won't agree with us and admit defeat, therefore discussion is over." And that is his whole argument.

 

[thraashman]

Bahaha. Well I guess you can't admit when you are wrong and have clearly lost the argument, but that is close enough.

Actually I am 100% right and have in many threads cited the numbers to back it up. Voter id laws will disenfranchise legal voters at a rate of 250,000 to 1 in which they prevent voter fraud. That simply proves that there is no denying that these laws are designed to disenfranchise, not stop voter fraud as the designers of these laws have access to the numbers as well.

So in order to support these laws you are either playing politics or are so willing to sacrifice legal voters to stop illegal voters, you are worse than your average terrorist as these laws do more to hurt American freedoms than any terrorist act has ever done.

 

[dank69]

I think you mistook me for Thrashman. Reread his last post. He basically says "conservatives won't agree with us and admit defeat, therefore discussion is over." And that is his whole argument.

No, you have made it clear that you are the one that is confused. :thumbsup:

 

[cybrsage]

Post 48 & 49 already answered your question, but I'm guess that simple logic isn't good enough for you.

They can't, although it would be super easy to find. All you need to look for is double votes under one name. Amazingly enough that basically never happens.

Probably just a sign of how amazingly devious the fraudsters are.

This did not answer the question. The other did not either. You both assume 100% of the people who register to vote actually vote. We all know this is a stupid assumption to make. Only 60% of the population voted.

So, if a two person team comes in at closing time, with person 1 calling out a name of a non-voting person to person 2 (hey Bill Johnson - how are you? you almost missed voting too, eh?), how do you detect person 2 is not actually Bill Johnson.

I want you to tell me a way to ACTUALLY DETECT in person voting fraud...not some "cause everyone who is registered votes, so they will be caught" type of lie.

 

[nehalem256]

Actually I am 100% right and have in many threads cited the numbers to back it up. Voter id laws will disenfranchise legal voters at a rate of 250,000 to 1 in which they prevent voter fraud. That simply proves that there is no denying that these laws are designed to disenfranchise, not stop voter fraud as the designers of these laws have access to the numbers as well.

So in order to support these laws you are either playing politics or are so willing to sacrifice legal voters to stop illegal voters, you are worse than your average terrorist as these laws do more to hurt American freedoms than any terrorist act has ever done.

Only if we assume that people who are unable to prove their eligibility to vote are all legal voters.

 

[cybrsage]

Actually I am 100% right and have in many threads cited the numbers to back it up. Voter id laws will disenfranchise legal voters at a rate of 250,000 to 1 in which they prevent voter fraud. That simply proves that there is no denying that these laws are designed to disenfranchise, not stop voter fraud as the designers of these laws have access to the numbers as well.

So in order to support these laws you are either playing politics or are so willing to sacrifice legal voters to stop illegal voters, you are worse than your average terrorist as these laws do more to hurt American freedoms than any terrorist act has ever done.

How many people cannot vote because they are not registered? Why do you demand people be disenfranchised due to voter registration? Why do you hate minorities, the poor, and the elderly?


Your logic works perfectly with voter registration. Why demand registration and the obvious disenfranchisement which is ensures happens?