Voter Fraud by Republicans

[ivwshane]

Great but they suspect fraudulent applications that "do not appear to be innocent errors".

Not faulty applications.

Who suspects this? The elections administrators or the police which have no business in determining what's right or wrong with a voter registration form?

 

[DrDoug]

Your bias is showing.

You saying my bias is showing is fucking hilarious... YOU! I can't stop laughing at the thought of you being indignant about bias. Shove it. As far as being polite, I have a low tolerance for stupid, which you deliver by the barrel (of laughs).

Oh, shove it.

 

[compuwiz1]

Any potential fraud, conducted by anyone representing either party, needs to be investigated and prosecuted. The integrity of our electoral process needs to be of the utmost highest priority. I won't fucking condone cheating by anyone, be it republicans or democrats.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, if you can't win with a majority vote, then the obvious thing to do is to keep whittling the opposing majority down 'til you can, right?

I mean, isn't that the true blue, mother's apple pie REAL American way to choose our leaders?

Besides, these dirty tricks the Repubs are pulling off are stop gap, band aid remedies that won't do a thing to overcome the larger problem of dealing with a demographic shift that will put them squarely in permanent minority status unless they find a way to be inclusive rather than the increasingly exclusive mode they put themselves in.

Swinging ever harder to the right while circling the clown cars into an ever smaller circle is stupid if you ask me, but I'm SURE the Repubs have a really good reason for doing this, right?

 

[Meghan54]

So, tell me Conner, FelixDeCat, or anyone else who cares to answer, which party was placed under a consent order for, among other things, voter intimidation and harassment, and voter caging?

Give up?


I wasn't the Democrat Party.

It was the RNC in 1982. The RNC got sued by the DNC in NJ for voter intimidation and harassment. The original complaint can be found here: (relevant parts are paras. 21-34)

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/Democracy/dnc.v.rnc/1981 complaint.pdf


Since that point in time, the RNC has repeatedly asked to have the consent order vacated, with the last time in 2008 after the Obama election. They were refused and the consent was ordered to remain in effect until Dec. 2017. The RNC appealed to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals. The RNC's appeal was rejected in 2012, I believe.

A short synopsis and links to all the motions and orders:

https://www.brennancenter.org/legal-work/dnc-v-rnc-consent-decree


A pretty good story about the above when the RNC lost its Supreme Court appeal of the 3rd Circuit's 2012 rejection in 2013:

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/news/la-pn-supreme-court-rnc-voter-fraud-20130114


Seems to me the Republicans are the ones having difficulties with voter fraud, as in committing it over decades.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Please. You have to be under 40 to be that uninformed. The Democrats have been rigging elections for time immoral.

Yep and not stopping now.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yep and not stopping now.

More popular American myths. It's always the party you are affiliated with isn't it.

 

[Indus]

Any potential fraud, conducted by anyone representing either party, needs to be investigated and prosecuted. The integrity of our electoral process needs to be of the utmost highest priority. I won't fucking condone cheating by anyone, be it republicans or democrats.

I'll hold you to that but you forgot to add the Russians.

 

[michal1980]

Yeh, it's obviously liberals' fault that conservative districts didn't begin voting at the same time. Some kind of Kenyan voodoo time warp mind control, obviously.

had a law to keep it uniform. Somehow having one set of rules for everybody means its not fair to democrats. But when you have to commit voter fraud to win elections you dont care about fairness.

 

[Paratus]

had a law to keep it uniform. Somehow having one set of rules for everybody means its not fair to democrats. But when you have to commit voter fraud to win elections you dont care about fairness.

Why yes, Michal, you've actually said something correct. 😉


😀

 

[FelixDeCat]

="Meghan54, post: 38541455, member: 263400"]So, tell me Conner, FelixDeCat, or anyone else who cares to answer, which party was placed under a consent order for, among other things, voter intimidation and harassment, and voter caging?

Give up?

I wasn't the Democrat Party.

It was the RNC in 1982. The RNC got sued by the DNC in NJ for voter intimidation and harassment. The original complaint can be found here: (relevant parts are paras. 21-34)

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/Democracy/dnc.v.rnc/1981 complaint.pdf


Since that point in time, the RNC has repeatedly asked to have the consent order vacated, with the last time in 2008 after the Obama election. They were refused and the consent was ordered to remain in effect until Dec. 2017. The RNC appealed to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals. The RNC's appeal was rejected in 2012, I believe.

A short synopsis and links to all the motions and orders:

https://www.brennancenter.org/legal-work/dnc-v-rnc-consent-decree


A pretty good story about the above when the RNC lost its Supreme Court appeal of the 3rd Circuit's 2012 rejection in 2013:

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/news/la-pn-supreme-court-rnc-voter-fraud-20130114


Seems to me the Republicans are the ones having difficulties with voter fraud, as in committing it over decades.

So you have one example from 35 years ago of a few leaders in a local district trying to stamp out voter fraud by mailing cards to registered addresses in order to verify the address is correct while also placing a notice that voter fraud is illegal.

While I don't agree with what happened I don't see an attempt to stop anyone from voting other than to warn those that commit fraud that it is illegal.

 

[FelixDeCat]

NOW...Here is one for you....

A Democratic election official admitting (watch the video and read the story) :

“You know, I don’t think it’s too much to ask somebody to show some kind of an ID…Like I say, people don’t realize, certain neighborhoods in particular they bus people around to vote,” said Schulkin.

When asked about which type of neighborhoods the busing of voters takes place in, Schulkin confirmed that it was minority neighborhoods, adding, “they get busses and they move people around.”

Schulkin expressed concern over voter fraud and suggested that Mayor Bill de Blasio was to blame for a lot of the voter fraud taking place in New York City.

“He gave out ID cards. De Blasio. That’s in lieu of a driver’s license, but you can use it for anything. But, they didn’t vet people to see who they really are. Anybody can go in there and say I am Joe Smith, I want an ID card. It’s absurd. There’s a lot of fraud. Not just voter fraud, all kinds of fraud.”

And look here is another....Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck voting for Obama (this has been going on for decades)

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6074157

Officials at the ACORN office in St. Louis where Williams worked did not return phone calls requesting comment. But ACORN spokesman Lewis Goldberg told ABC News that "ACORN has spent $2.5 million -- or 2.5 percent of our total voter-registration costs -- more money than any other organization in the country, to develop the most stringent quality-control measures in the country."

"And the proof is in the pudding," he said. "Dozens of boards of elections around the country have cited ACORN for our quality efforts to register millions of new voters." The organization said it had registered more than 1.3 million voters in 21 states this election year alone.

Many Republican Party operatives, though, have accused ACORN of being a voter-fraud machine, with its workers turning in registration cards for Mickey Mouse, a 7-year-old girl and the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys. GOP presidential candidate John McCain has joined the chorus, saying in the Oct. 15 presidential debate that the group's activities threatened to "destroy the fabric of American democracy."

ACORN has acknowledged that among its approximately 13,000 workers, at least a few inevitably turn out to be dishonest and create false registration forms. But the organization's leaders said they turn in crooked canvassers to the cops and try to alert election officials to suspicious registrations -- and in most jurisdictions are required to turn in all registration forms, valid or not.

That is why some Democrats always oppose voter ID laws....they might never win otherwise.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

NOW...Here is one for you....

A Democratic election official admitting (watch the video and read the story) :



And look here is another....Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck voting for Obama (this has been going on for decades)

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6074157



That is why some Democrats always oppose voter ID laws....they might never win otherwise.

Neither of those things are examples of voter fraud. Keep trying. If it helps voter fraud is someone actually casting a ballot they are legally not able to cast.

Voter suppression is a deliberate act designed to prevent groups of people from voting or adding significant enough hurdles they won't vote.

 

[Jhhnn]

had a law to keep it uniform. Somehow having one set of rules for everybody means its not fair to democrats. But when you have to commit voter fraud to win elections you dont care about fairness.

The rules were the same for everybody. Any districts who chose to start voting later did so voluntarily.

Win or lose, I want everybody who's eligible to vote.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Neither of those things are examples of voter fraud. Keep trying. If it helps voter fraud is someone actually casting a ballot they are legally not able to cast.

Voter suppression is a deliberate act designed to prevent groups of people from voting or adding significant enough hurdles they won't vote.

In the first link there is an example of a New York Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio passing out IDs to those interested to be used for voting fraud:

When asked about which type of neighborhoods the busing of voters takes place in, Schulkin confirmed that it was minority neighborhoods, adding, “they get busses and they move people around.”

Schulkin expressed concern over voter fraud and suggested that Mayor Bill de Blasio was to blame for a lot of the voter fraud taking place in New York City.

“He gave out ID cards. De Blasio. That’s in lieu of a driver’s license, but you can use it for anything. But, they didn’t vet people to see who they really are. Anybody can go in there and say I am Joe Smith, I want an ID card. It’s absurd. There’s a lot of fraud. Not just voter fraud, all kinds of fraud.”

But you still claim its not fraud? Ok. And the only thing that Republicans were trying to suppress was illegal voting. However, they should have not done it that way and were punished for it.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

In the first link there is an example of a New York Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio passing out IDs to those interested to be used for voting fraud:



But you still claim its not fraud? Ok. And the only thing that Republicans were trying to suppress was illegal voting.

No, they weren't. The republicans were deliberately using far out dated voter rolls and only targeting minorities. Their actions were done with the explicit intent of preventing those minorities from voting. See the difference between the two is a court agreed and to this day they still aren't trusted enough to have the reigns loosened.

 

[flexy]

The "voter fraud" and "voter flip" craze has now officially reached "hysteria" level.
Rest assured, the orange monkey will tweet each and every time when it's reported that a geriatric hick pressed the wrong button causing a voting machine "to flip". (Something which by the way, happens for years already and can always happen for whatever reasons but is statistically entirely insignificant)

Orange monkey won't stop until 30% of America has gone entirely off the rocker in total hysteria, he's working hard on it and so is the professional propaganda machinery.

Expect people going NUTS at the voting booths, in hysteria over Russian Hackers and "voter fraud", it has already started. And of course this is what the orange monkey wants.

(For all people with an IQ > potato: A "rigged" voting machine which would openly "flip" and change votes for everyone to see doesn't make any fucking sense!)

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, apparently Democrats have absolutely perfected voter fraud because they leave no trace of their nefarious actions much as Bigfoot leaves no trace in the woods.

There have been 31 verifiable case of in person voter fraud since 2000 out of a billion votes cast. That's it. That's all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

The whole thing is a conspiracy theory designed to serve partisan advantage. The perps know what they're doing & who they're targeting. Witness N Carolina. I mean, they've been pulling the same shit since the end of the Civil War, much worse before 1965. And here we are 50 years later & they still think it's OK if they can say it's partisan rather than racist. And they're defended in a reflexive tribal manner.

That's not OK, either, because it all flies in the face of the Constitution and the common decency that underlies democracy itself. Anybody willing to resort to such means doesn't believe in democracy at all.

 

[Paratus]

Well, apparently Democrats have absolutely perfected voter fraud because they leave no trace of their nefarious actions much as Bigfoot leaves no trace in the woods.

There have been 31 verifiable case of in person voter fraud since 2000 out of a billion votes cast. That's it. That's all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

The whole thing is a conspiracy theory designed to serve partisan advantage. The perps know what they're doing & who they're targeting. Witness N Carolina. I mean, they've been pulling the same shit since the end of the Civil War, much worse before 1965. And here we are 50 years later & they still think it's OK if they can say it's partisan rather than racist. And they're defended in a reflexive tribal manner.

That's not OK, either, because it all flies in the face of the Constitution and the common decency that underlies democracy itself. Anybody willing to resort to such means doesn't believe in democracy at all.

Well jhnn the GOP has no chance. The Dems voter fraud is perfect.

And Hillary can slip out of every scandal and allegation.

I can't wait for her evil plan! (After Obama takes all the guns away on his last day in office of course!)

 

[Sunburn74]

Here's the proof that the GOP has no one's best interest at heart when it comes to these voter ID laws. These laws are called flat out racist by the courts. Yet, not a single GOPer has stated that the party is concerned that they put form something that was potentially racist or at least is perceived as racist. Think about that. You put a law out and a court says "hey guys this is racist" and they don't seem to care? If anything they have been emboldened to keep trying. I'm not even arguing here whether or not these laws are racist (they are!) but rather that good and decent people find racism so anathema that to be associated with it (even falsely) is as bad as actually participating in it. I'm sure if a court said about voter ID laws "hey guys this is communist or socialist", you'd get a huge outcry and a huge amount of rhetoric distancing themselves from it, but racism... nah... they don't care

If you're a government official and you don't care that what you're doing is perceived as discriminatory, potentially harmful, potentially in violation of a major amendment to the US constitution, you have no business being in government.

 

[glenn1]

Here's the proof that the GOP has no one's best interest at heart when it comes to these voter ID laws. These laws are called flat out racist by the courts. Yet, not a single GOPer has stated that the party is concerned that they put form something that was potentially racist or at least is perceived as racist. Think about that. You put a law out and a court says "hey guys this is racist" and they don't seem to care? If anything they have been emboldened to keep trying. I'm not even arguing here whether or not these laws are racist (they are!) but rather that good and decent people find racism so anathema that to be associated with it (even falsely) is as bad as actually participating in it. I'm sure if a court said about voter ID laws "hey guys this is communist or socialist", you'd get a huge outcry and a huge amount of rhetoric distancing themselves from it, but racism... nah... they don't care

If you're a government official and you don't care that what you're doing is perceived as discriminatory, potentially harmful, potentially in violation of a major amendment to the US constitution, you have no business being in government.

The Indiana version of Voter ID was affirmed by the Supreme Court. And no, I don't give a shit that Democrats think it's "discriminatory." 80% of Americans support Voter ID and that's enough to pass a Constitutional amendment if that's what is ultimately required.

 

[pcgeek11]

Who suspects this? The elections administrators or the police which have no business in determining what's right or wrong with a voter registration form?

So you think it should not be investigated at all? Yes or no.

 

[pcgeek11]

You saying my bias is showing is fucking hilarious... YOU! I can't stop laughing at the thought of you being indignant about bias. Shove it. As far as being polite, I have a low tolerance for stupid, which you deliver by the barrel (of laughs).

Oh, shove it.

I'm not indignant at all. We all have some bias.

It is funny how you and other left leaning people pretend that they are not biased. Hypocrite.

 

[ivwshane]

So you think it should not be investigated at all? Yes or no.

If that's what election officials determine then yes. Because. You know. It's their job to verify registration.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Indiana version of Voter ID was affirmed by the Supreme Court. And no, I don't give a shit that Democrats think it's "discriminatory." 80% of Americans support Voter ID and that's enough to pass a Constitutional amendment if that's what is ultimately required.

All strictly just to stop the voter fraud that isn't happening, right?

The whole thing is transparently insincere & clearly intended to serve other purposes entirely. Do you not realize how shameful & anti-democratic it is to try to keep people from voting? Or do you not care?