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CurseTheSky said:
Fixed.

I think that Mustang / Camaro / Challenge / etc. V6's are perfectly acceptable. They make up the brunt of the sales numbers, which makes offering their REAL (V8) counterparts feasible for Ford, GM, and Chrysler. What I don't think is acceptable are the people that race around in their low-model cars acting like they're hot shit. If you bought a Mustang for looks and didn't care about the engine, fine, but don't pull up next to me at a light because you have a bone stock 3.7L and can outdo my midsize sedan. I'll laugh because you couldn't afford or couldn't handle the V8. On the other hand, if you bought the GT, (or especially) Cobra, Shelby, Roush, Saleen, etc., I reserve the right to pull away hard from the light just to listen to your exhaust note as you blow by. 😉

Take your favorite performance or sports-oriented car and imagine if the company decided to offer a low-end engine option just to raise sales numbers. Wouldn't you laugh at everyone driving around the new 2.5L, ~170 HP I4 G37 or whatever, thinking they were cool?

Speaking of which, I had read over a year ago that someone was starting a twin turbo I6 project with their '65 or '66 Mustang. I wonder how that turned out...
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Exactly.
 
CurseTheSky said:
Take your favorite performance or sports-oriented car and imagine if the company decided to offer a low-end engine option just to raise sales numbers. Wouldn't you laugh at everyone driving around the new 2.5L, ~170 HP I4 G37 or whatever, thinking they were cool?

Speaking of which, I had read over a year ago that someone was starting a twin turbo I6 project with their '65 or '66 Mustang. I wonder how that turned out...
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Yeah I do already, 1 series, C class, etc. are exactly like the "G25" you're talking about. It's funny how many C200s and 128i's you see parked at apartments and trailer parks parked out in the elements 24/7 and they just think they are ballin big money when they roll out with their tinted windows, blue tinted fake HIDs and rental 22s.

I have a little more respect for V6 Mustangs than the above types. The Mustang started as a 6 cyl "point a to point b in style" car, the big V8s and stuff were dropped in later after the fact. So it's not like Ford went down market because people couldn't afford V8s, it was the other way around. True to the muscle car spirit they just took a car that was originally intented to be a uneventful sedate family cruiser and shoved bigger engines into it.

An I6 wouldn't be bad if it was a built iron block 24 valve turbo 3.0L and sourced from Toyota 😀
 
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The Boston Dangler said:
what about the abomination with the 80 hp I-4's?
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They almost made the Mustang FWD for cheaper manufacturing costs. After enthusiasts got mad they decided to keep it RWD and renamed the FWD Mustang to "Probe".

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Throckmorton said:
They almost made the Mustang FWD for cheaper manufacturing costs. After enthusiasts got mad they decided to keep it RWD and renamed the FWD Mustang to "Probe".

800px-Ford_Probe_front_20071119.jpg
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if i ever wished i had a pic, it's of this:
my friend came into possession of a black ford probe. diagonally across the hood and left fender, in large reflective letters, read "LOW PERFORMANCE". he kept it like that.
 
I've owned several Mustangs, all V8's. But I wouldn't object to owning a new V6 version.
If it wasn't my only Mustang. If I only had one, it would have to be a V8. My daughter wants a Mustang, and V6 would be more than good for her. Although my friend has a turbo'd 580hp 93 Cobra that she really likes, sigh.

Had a friend back in the day who owned a 4cyl convertible lx, early 90's model. His brother had a GT convertible with glass packs, was funny to see them parked beside each other. I'm just glad they don't make 4cyl anymore.
 
When I was younger I would have responded that Mustangs without V8 are p***y cars, or something to that effect. Now, from what I've read and seen - the V6 Mustang is a very nice car. Maybe I'm just getting older. If/when I get another one, I'll still probably want a V8. Not that I want 400hp, in fact I don't. I just want the sound.
 
This is why I would have a hard time owning a classic I6. Or even a modern day V6, unless I had another Mustang that was a V8. My car used to be 6cyl, but dropped a 289 in it, and a ton of other things. Crappy cell phone video and compression from youtube, but still captures the basic sound. Didnt rev it too much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QLZovIRMcE
 
It is no longer about the number of cylinders, just like processors are no longer about the MHz.

A Subaru flat 4 in the STI will destroy most 6 cylinders today and 8 cylinders in supercars 30 years ago.

Having said that, the sound of an engine is always sweeter on a V8.
 
Imdmn04 said:
It is no longer about the number of cylinders, just like processors are no longer about the MHz.

A Subaru flat 4 in the STI will destroy most 6 cylinders today and 8 cylinders in supercars 30 years ago.

Having said that, the sound of an engine is always sweeter on a V8.
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That being said, the horsepower and torque curves are abominations on the Subaru.
 
I'm impressed with the power on some new V6's. But, the complexity of them kinda scares me. I feel safer with my old pushrod 3800 with a blower on it than I do with a new complex V6. Maybe I will end up with a newer one one day, who knows.
 
speedy2 said:
I'm impressed with the power on some new V6's. But, the complexity of them kinda scares me. I feel safer with my old pushrod 3800 with a blower on it than I do with a new complex V6. Maybe I will end up with a newer one one day, who knows.
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They aren't complex at all, just more of the same. The only difference is more accurate injectors, more accurate sensors, faster computers, more programming, more valves, more control. But all the same stuff is there.
 
Is a shade tree mechanic going to be able to work on/want to work on a new engine or an old one? That was my only point.
 
Imdmn04 said:
It is no longer about the number of cylinders, just like processors are no longer about the MHz.

A Subaru flat 4 in the STI will destroy most 6 cylinders today and 8 cylinders in supercars 30 years ago.

Having said that, the sound of an engine is always sweeter on a V8.
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How does it "destroy" a six cylinder of today? What does that even mean?

30 years ago was 1981. There were some great supercar V8's out there then.

What the hell was in a Subaru in 1981?
 
LTC8K6 said:
How does it "destroy" a six cylinder of today? What does that even mean?

30 years ago was 1981. There were some great supercar V8's out there then.

What the hell was in a Subaru in 1981?
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His point is a modern 4 cylinder makes more power than an older V8 - like a Pentium 4 3Ghz is going to be slower than an i5 at 2.6Ghz. My Forester makes 3 more horsepower and 3lb-ft less torque than my V8 Tundra.

I don't know about '81, but Subaru was building turbocharged rally cars in the mid-80's.
 
exdeath said:
Yeah I do already, 1 series, C class, etc. are exactly like the "G25" you're talking about. It's funny how many C200s and 128i's you see parked at apartments and trailer parks parked out in the elements 24/7 and they just think they are ballin big money when they roll out with their tinted windows, blue tinted fake HIDs and rental 22s.

I have a little more respect for V6 Mustangs than the above types. The Mustang started as a 6 cyl "point a to point b in style" car, the big V8s and stuff were dropped in later after the fact. So it's not like Ford went down market because people couldn't afford V8s, it was the other way around. True to the muscle car spirit they just took a car that was originally intented to be a uneventful sedate family cruiser and shoved bigger engines into it.

An I6 wouldn't be bad if it was a built iron block 24 valve turbo 3.0L and sourced from Toyota 😀
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Don't knock the 135i, it's no Termi, but those mofo's are quick when tuned.
 
jlee said:
His point is a modern 4 cylinder makes more power than an older V8 - like a Pentium 4 3Ghz is going to be slower than an i5 at 2.6Ghz. My Forester makes 3 more horsepower and 3lb-ft less torque than my V8 Tundra.

I don't know about '81, but Subaru was building turbocharged rally cars in the mid-80's.
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This is what Subaru made in the 50s and 60s

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jlee said:
His point is a modern 4 cylinder makes more power than an older V8 - like a Pentium 4 3Ghz is going to be slower than an i5 at 2.6Ghz. My Forester makes 3 more horsepower and 3lb-ft less torque than my V8 Tundra.

I don't know about '81, but Subaru was building turbocharged rally cars in the mid-80's.
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But it's apples and oranges, plus, he said "supercar" V8's...

Does that mean those lovely Ferrari 80's V8's? Those nice 80's Porsche V8's?

The 1986 316HP 5L Porsche V8 perhaps?

The 84-85 400HP Twin Turbocharged Ferrari GTO V8 perhaps?
 
LTC8K6 said:
But it's apples and oranges, plus, he said "supercar" V8's...

Does that mean those lovely Ferrari 80's V8's? Those nice 80's Porsche V8's?

The 1986 316HP 5L Porsche V8 perhaps?

The 84-85 400HP Twin Turbocharged Ferrari GTO V8 perhaps?
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Beats me. An off the shelf Accessport tune on an '11 STi should give you north of 330hp and 350lb-ft...the point still stands, dude. You can't look at a 4cyl and a V8 and automatically assume the V8 makes more power.
 
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