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I don't get the engine sound thing. It seems pretty clear to me that people have to learn what is supposed to sound good and what isn't.

I like the rattlerattlerattle sound of my Jeep 4.0L I6, because it reminds me of a diesel truck or the tractor my dad had.
 
I am here to throw gasoline on the flame. What took them so long, there were 6 cylinder production cars in 1996 that being bone stock had 404 HP........

<Runs away.
 
exdeath said:
You were saying that the exhaust on any car is fake, but you like the fake sound from your factory stock G35? 😕

G35s sound like shit. Straight 6s can sound good but V6s sound like shit no matter how much you try to dress up the exhaust note. If you think you've done enough to make the V6 sound good, you haven't heard a well setup I6 or V8.

My 03 Cobra 32 valve 4.6L V8 with long tube headers, x pipe, and Borla straight through mufflers sounds 10000x times better WITHOUT special pipes or tricks or resonators to attempt to shape the sound.

Of course, sound is subjective, so I'll just leave it at that.

5 years ago the best 6 cyl BMW had (and still is IMO) is the S54 from the M3 making 333 HP N/A from 3.2L. That was only available in the much lower production M, and was a highly strung finely turned engine that already came with individual throttle bodies and tubular headers from the factory (eg: it's as good as it can be with little to no gains from bolt ons and requires forced induction to take it any further).

This was a limited edition engine that is the pinnacle of n/a 6 cyl engines, and you're comparing that to much cheaper mildly tuned single throttle body iron manifold mass produced engine in a high volume production car? Typical fan boy euro snob attitude right there.

Tell me, why weren't BMWs other 6 cyl engines making 300 HP more than 5 years ago? And tell me, who else had 6 cyls with over 300 HP more than 5 years ago? VQ35s and 2GRs were only making what 267 HP around 2005.

PS the 2006 G35 is not 300/300, it's 282/269 or 298/258 at MOST, nice rounding on the torque there.
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i was wrong about the torque, you bagged me. please don't beat me up anymore! :'(

my points still stand - 300 (298, sorry) hp was available in a "normal" V-6 5 years ago, and any factory exhaust is playing games with the noise. and i reject the price difference as being an issue, since mustangs ain't cheap and you could easily compare it to a z since it's 99% the same as my g.
 
Castiel said:
Ecoboost V6 makes the most sense. Would be an awesome base engine. The V8 Ecoboost is rumored to be in the 2012 GT500 which is a nice change from a roots style blower.
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Huh? You say that like the supercharger used on the GT500 was hijacked off of an old two-stroke diesel. The new positive-displacement blowers are very efficient. Only a couple tics below turbochargers and they are much simpler systems.

I love turbos but the PD blowers of today are pretty sweet.
 
Elfear said:
Huh? You say that like the supercharger used on the GT500 was hijacked off of an old two-stroke diesel. The new positive-displacement blowers are very efficient. Only a couple tics below turbochargers and they are much simpler systems.

I love turbos but the PD blowers of today are pretty sweet.
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Turbos are still better. Even the best Kenne Bell/Whipple Cobras are doing 600-700 RWHP, and those are twin screws that are much better still than the TVS blowers. Meanwhile the twin turbo cars are pushing either that on 2/3 the boost or 850 RWHP on the same boost on 91 pump gas. Blowers take alot of power to run and generate more heat than turbos.
 
to be honest, i have been swooning over the v6 premium performance packaged 2011 mustang for the past month... oh those 3.31:1 gears on the rear axle would be sooooooooo much fun.. must resist.
 
My V6 with rusted out mufflers sounds fine to me. 😛

I've never encountered a V8 performance anything, just a few Suburbans, and those aren't the same.

G37 with the new 3.7L sounds notably better than the G35 3.5. Performs notably better too.
 
Actually they are quite common in small single prop planes, big ass 4.0+L H4s, not that it's relevant here 😀
 
The Boston Dangler said:
i was wrong about the torque, you bagged me. please don't beat me up anymore! :'(

my points still stand - 300 (298, sorry) hp was available in a "normal" V-6 5 years ago, and any factory exhaust is playing games with the noise. and i reject the price difference as being an issue, since mustangs ain't cheap and you could easily compare it to a z since it's 99&#37; the same as my g.
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2006 Mustang V6 Coupe Standard - $19,115 MSRP (4.0L V6, 210 HP / 240 TQ)
2006 Mustang GT Coupe Deluxe - $25,140 MSRP (4.6L V8, 300 HP / 320 TQ)

2006 G35 Coupe 6MT - $33,800 MSRP (3.5L V6, 298 HP / 260 TQ)
2006 350Z Coupe - $27,650 MSRP (3.5L V6, 300 HP / 260 TQ)

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2011 Mustang V6 Coupe - $22,145 MSRP (3.7L V6, 305 HP / 280 TQ)
2011 Mustang GT Coupe - $29,645 MSRP (5.0L V8, 412 HP / 390 TQ)

2010 G37 Coupe Base - $36,050 MSRP (3.7L V6, 330 HP / 270 TQ)
2010 370Z Coupe Base - $30,410 MSRP (3.7L V6, 332 HP / 270 TQ)

In conclusion, in all cases the Mustang GT is both cheaper and more powerful than the G37 or 370Z. In the most recent models, the Mustang V6 comes close to the G37 / 370Z's HP and TQ numbers while being $8-14 THOUSAND cheaper based on MSRP. I'm not trying to imply that either are bad cars - they are't - but you have to realize that they're more luxury oriented and thus carry a higher price premium while the Mustang GT is more of a true muscle / sports car.

It's been said dozens of times, and I'll say it again. The latest Mustang offerings are very hard to beat if you want to go fast for cheap.
 
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I CAN'T STAND V6 Mustangs, 2011 or any other year. If you're getting a sports car, do it right, get a V8 (specifically a Mustang or Camaro). If you are concerned about fuel efficiency, get a Prius. What is worse is a V6 Mustang with racing stripes. Seriously, WTF are you supposed to be racing? A Camry? IMO, a GT should be the lowest Mustang model offered. If you can get a GT500, AWESOME! If you can get a Super Snake, you're the man! But I know why Ford sells V6 Mustangs, because they sell a SHIT load of them! That's pretty much all I see around here. If it is a Mustang, 9 times out of 10, it will be a V6. 🙁

I've actually driven a V6 Camaro. It is AWFUL! It feels like it has no life in it. It's like driving a Camry with a Camaro shell. AWFUL!
 
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exdeath said:
Turbos are still better. Even the best Kenne Bell/Whipple Cobras are doing 600-700 RWHP, and those are twin screws that are much better still than the TVS blowers. Meanwhile the twin turbo cars are pushing either that on 2/3 the boost or 850 RWHP on the same boost on 91 pump gas. Blowers take alot of power to run and generate more heat than turbos.
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I agree with you in part. Turbos are still the most efficient form of forced induction. We just don't have the glaring disparity we did a few years ago. In regards to the screw-type vs roots-style, I think they are very close up to around 10psi and then the screw-type starts to pull ahead.

My reply to Castiel was intended to show that the switch to a turbocharged engine wouldn't make a massive difference over the TVS-blown GT500. While it would provide a bit more hp, it would also require a more complicated system which would inevitably raise the price and maintenance costs.
 
CurseTheSky said:
2006 Mustang V6 Coupe Standard - $19,115 MSRP (4.0L V6, 210 HP / 240 TQ)
2006 Mustang GT Coupe Deluxe - $25,140 MSRP (4.6L V8, 300 HP / 320 TQ)

2006 G35 Coupe 6MT - $33,800 MSRP (3.5L V6, 298 HP / 260 TQ)
2006 350Z Coupe - $27,650 MSRP (3.5L V6, 300 HP / 260 TQ)

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2011 Mustang V6 Coupe - $22,145 MSRP (3.7L V6, 305 HP / 280 TQ)
2011 Mustang GT Coupe - $29,645 MSRP (5.0L V8, 412 HP / 390 TQ)

2010 G37 Coupe Base - $36,050 MSRP (3.7L V6, 330 HP / 270 TQ)
2010 370Z Coupe Base - $30,410 MSRP (3.7L V6, 332 HP / 270 TQ)

In conclusion, in all cases the Mustang GT is both cheaper and more powerful than the G37 or 370Z. I'm not trying to imply that either are bad cars - they are't - but you have to realize that they're more luxury oriented while the Mustang GT is more of a muscle / sports car.
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You'd be hard pressed to find a 2011 GT on the lot for $29K. They're normally around the $35K+ mark.
 
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CurseTheSky said:
2006 Mustang V6 Coupe Standard - $19,115 MSRP (4.0L V6, 210 HP / 240 TQ)
2006 Mustang GT Coupe Deluxe - $25,140 MSRP (4.6L V8, 300 HP / 320 TQ)

2006 G35 Coupe 6MT - $33,800 MSRP (3.5L V6, 298 HP / 260 TQ)
2006 350Z Coupe - $27,650 MSRP (3.5L V6, 300 HP / 260 TQ)

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2011 Mustang V6 Coupe - $22,145 MSRP (3.7L V6, 305 HP / 280 TQ)
2011 Mustang GT Coupe - $29,645 MSRP (5.0L V8, 412 HP / 390 TQ)

2010 G37 Coupe Base - $36,050 MSRP (3.7L V6, 330 HP / 270 TQ)
2010 370Z Coupe Base - $30,410 MSRP (3.7L V6, 332 HP / 270 TQ)

In conclusion, in all cases the Mustang GT is both cheaper and more powerful than the G37 or 370Z. In the most recent models, the Mustang V6 comes close to the G37 / 370Z's HP and TQ numbers while being $8-14 THOUSAND cheaper based on MSRP. I'm not trying to imply that either are bad cars - they are't - but you have to realize that they're more luxury oriented and thus carry a higher price premium while the Mustang GT is more of a true muscle / sports car.

It's been said dozens of times, and I'll say it again. The latest Mustang offerings are very hard to beat if you want to go fast for cheap.
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i'm not sure how accurate those prices are. i drove a V-8 mustang not too long ago, and the asking price was less than $5k shy of my car, if not more. for my g35 i paid about $38-39k (invoice + $100, family discount).
 
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