Views on V6's as of 2011

[Zap]

I'd still take the GT. If I'm going to own a Mustang, it's going to be a V8.

Exactly!

Something else I've wondered beyond how many cylinders/valves and whether forced induction... cylinder size. So, seems as if larger cylinders produce more torque but smaller cylinders can rev higher with big HP? For instance, would it make any sense to build a 3.7L V8 instead of a 3.7L V6? Is it because more cylinders make for a more complex/expensive engine?

 

[CraigRT]

I'd still take the GT. If I'm going to own a Mustang, it's going to be a V8. If I just want ~250-300 HP for a decent amount of oomph and fairly good fuel economy, I'd rather get something less sportsy. More people will recognize and try to race your Mustang, even if it's a V6, than if you were driving a G35/G37/Altima/Fusion/Accord/etc.

I also wonder how the bottom end on the 3.7L is compared to the 5.0L. If it's particularly stout for whatever reason, they could be the next hot thing for cheap power.

This has always been my opinion.
A pony car is not a pony car if its missing 2 cylinders.
I don't care too much about the #'s. I can't get a fire breathing V8 in a G35 coupe, so if I wanted a V6, I would buy a Nissan.

 

[exdeath]

Well you can get the V6 Mustang with the performance pack

You get:
• Strut tower brace for added chassis stability
• Upsized front sway bar and SVT rear swap bar
• Unique front springs
• Unique electronic stability control calibration with sport mode for performance driving
• 19" black painted machined aluminum wheels
• Road-gripping P255/40R19 summer-only tires
• Unique calipers with Performance Friction brake pads
• Gloss black side mirror caps
• 3.31 rear axle (increased from standard 2.73)

It's a $2000 dollar option.

You can get a V6 Premium with that $2000 option + 6MT for about 28K

If you take all the buzz words and hype words out of that, the only tangible performance change is the gear swap. Everything else you can better get from Maximum Motorsports for $500.

Wtf is "unique springs" or "unique calipers" or "road gripping tires" and "painted mirrors" supposed to mean? Seriously? $2000 for a set of "friction brake pads"? Go buy some Hawk HPS pads from Vatozone for $50 that will be even better.

It would be different it if said "adjustable coil overs with solid bearing camber caster plates and 600 in/# springs over Bilstein HDs" or "6 piston monoblock fixed Brembo calipers and 2pc floating rotors"... but "unique springs and calipers" what a joke.

Do you get "high performance racing wiper fluid" with that package too?

God I miss the days of cars like my 03 Cobra, where you were just given all the serious goodies up front and none of the bullshit, and their were no options save for chrome or satin wheels, coupe or convertible, and color. You got fat ass 29 mm sway bar stock, 9" wide wheels with 275s stock, there weren't 150 optional sway bars and wheels. Now days you can't buy a car without 2500 options that exist only as a PR tool to make people feel unique while buying a car that 10 people on every block have anyway, more than likely with the same "best" options... Of course everyone wants to be the best, so even with 2500 "unique" dealer options, most of the cars end up being identical anyway.

And the ones that buy them are the ones that sell them a year later on ebay wanting $50,000 for a V6 Mustang because it's "unique, rare, one of a kind, 1 of 3 convertibles with blue paint, navigation, and embroidered head rests with the limited edition painted valve stem caps!!!"

/end of sociology and marketing rant

:hmm:

 

[Castiel]

Mustang ever going to get the Ecoboost?

 

[Lotheron]

The new V6 does not make more power than the old V8...

He said again...

The old V8 will still beat the new V6, except in fuel economy.

4.6L 315HP 325Tq 4.9/13.6@105 C&D July 09
3.7L 305HP 280Tq 5.4/14@104 C&D April 2010

I guess not for 2010, however, it was true for 2005-2009 as the 4.6L only made 300HP.

 

[mb]

Mustang ever going to get the Ecoboost?

I'd imagine they could get a decent premium on that if there was an Ecoboost V6 in the Mustang.

Oh wow, good timing. Bill Ford just said yes, but not which engine. http://www.auto123.com/en/news/car-...r?model=mustang&carid=1111803600&artid=128054

I don't think the Ecoboost 4 cylinder would make much sense in the Mustang, especially not if it would cost more than the NA V6.

Ecoboost V8 would be insane :awe:

 

[Castiel]

I'd imagine they could get a decent premium on that if there was an Ecoboost V6 in the Mustang.

Oh wow, good timing. Bill Ford just said yes, but not which engine. http://www.auto123.com/en/news/car-...r?model=mustang&carid=1111803600&artid=128054

I don't think the Ecoboost 4 cylinder would make much sense in the Mustang, especially not if it would cost more than the NA V6.

Ecoboost V8 would be insane :awe:

Ecoboost V6 makes the most sense. Would be an awesome base engine. The V8 Ecoboost is rumored to be in the 2012 GT500 which is a nice change from a roots style blower.

 

[KentState]

4.6's sound so sweet with catbacks and headers. The LSX lineup kinda bores me. Its exhaust note is kinda tame compared to the LTX's

I thought my LS3 sounded pretty good stock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1w0B15c3-o&feature=player_profilepage

 

[mb]

Ecoboost V6 makes the most sense. Would be an awesome base engine. The V8 Ecoboost is rumored to be in the 2012 GT500 which is a nice change from a roots style blower.

I think the NA V6 would still be the base engine like on the F150.

 

[TraumaRN]

If you take all the buzz words and hype words out of that, the only tangible performance change is the gear swap. Everything else you can better get from Maximum Motorsports for $500.

Wtf is "unique springs" or "unique calipers" or "road gripping tires" and "painted mirrors" supposed to mean? Seriously? $2000 for a set of "friction brake pads"? Go buy some Hawk HPS pads from Vatozone for $50 that will be even better.

It would be different it if said "adjustable coil overs with solid bearing camber caster plates and 600 in/# springs over Bilstein HDs" or "6 piston monoblock fixed Brembo calipers and 2pc floating rotors"... but "unique springs and calipers" what a joke.

Do you get "high performance racing wiper fluid" with that package too?

God I miss the days of cars like my 03 Cobra, where you were just given all the serious goodies up front and none of the bullshit, and their were no options save for chrome or satin wheels, coupe or convertible, and color. You got fat ass 29 mm sway bar stock, 9" wide wheels with 275s stock, there weren't 150 optional sway bars and wheels. Now days you can't buy a car without 2500 options that exist only as a PR tool to make people feel unique while buying a car that 10 people on every block have anyway, more than likely with the same "best" options... Of course everyone wants to be the best, so even with 2500 "unique" dealer options, most of the cars end up being identical anyway.

And the ones that buy them are the ones that sell them a year later on ebay wanting $50,000 for a V6 Mustang because it's "unique, rare, one of a kind, 1 of 3 convertibles with blue paint, navigation, and embroidered head rests with the limited edition painted valve stem caps!!!"

/end of sociology and marketing rant

:hmm:

Hey I agree with you, I just cut and pasted from Ford's website. I'm sure you could look up what the actual changes are beyond the marketing jargon. And I think it's a sin that you gotta drop 2 grand just to get summer tires from the factory, pony car should equal summer tires always. Unless you live in Michigan like me and you have a spare set of Blizzaks for your Mustang in the wintertime.

EDIT: Ok so looking further into it, paying the 2 grand gets your V6 Mustang all the suspension and brake bits the GT gets standard and the GT500's rear lower control arm. Plus the summer tires and the "sport" mode option on ESC.

 

[Sinanju]

I thought my LS3 sounded pretty good stock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1w0B15c3-o&feature=player_profilepage

sounds like a diesel when idled lol

 

[Castiel]

I thought my LS3 sounded pretty good stock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1w0B15c3-o&feature=player_profilepage

That does sound very nice. I had an 96 LT4 Vette with a borla catback, hooker mid's and no cats and it just sounded downright nasty then some asshole crashed into it at a car show and ruined it. Still miss that car.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I'm actually getting the new car bug and the 2011 V6 mustang is calling my name for just those reasons. While I wont get the 30+MPG as I would go for the 6MT option, I just can't see spending the money on the GT with the new V6 makes more power than the outgoing GT.

For a DD, 300+ HP is more than enough. Hell I'm rolling at 210HP now and it's fast, to me.

The new V6 makes less power than the outgoing GT.
The 2010 GT makes 315HP and 325Tq
The 2011 V6 makes 305HP and 280Tq.

The New V6 does have vastly better fuel economy.
When I tested the 2, I had to go with the 2010GT. Shifted better, better throttle repsonse, better sounding, and better off the line power.
People all ways say you can upgrade a V6 and beat a V8. But you can always upgrade a V8.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

300hp from a 3.5L V-6? welcome to at least 5 years ago. and the exhaust sound on any "performance" car is as fake as a politician's promise.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I guess not for 2010, however, it was true for 2005-2009 as the 4.6L only made 300HP.

There's a huge difference between the 09 GT with 300HP and the 10 GT with 315HP. The 2010 GT essentially is a Bullitt. It has all of the Bullitt upgrades for the intake and suspension.

 

[exdeath]

300hp from a 3.5L V-6? welcome to at least 5 years ago. and the exhaust sound on any "performance" car is as fake as a politician's promise.

Typical response from you.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Typical response from you.

what, the truth? tyvm!

my 2006 g35 makes 300 hp, 300 torque from a 3.5L V-6. the exhaust sounds great, thanks to a single pipe coming back to resonators and a muffler with pretty dual chrome tipped outlets. with the right plumbing, you can make a lawnmower sound like the brass section of an orchestra.

last i heard, bmw offered even more power from a 3.0 and better gas milage at the same time

 

[Doppel]

Nothing embarrassing about the current V6 Camaro or Mustang. They are both fast, fun vehicles.

 

[Castiel]

Nothing embarrassing about the current V6 Camaro or Mustang. They are both fast, fun vehicles.

Now if they only weighed around 3000lbs. Camaro is a hefty vehicle.

 

[CurseTheSky]

what, the truth? tyvm!

my 2006 g35 makes 300 hp, 300 torque from a 3.5L V-6. the exhaust sounds great, thanks to a single pipe coming back to resonators and a muffler with pretty dual chrome tipped outlets. with the right plumbing, you can make a lawnmower sound like the brass section of an orchestra.

last i heard, bmw offered even more power from a 3.0 and better gas milage at the same time

Your G35 also cost as much as a Mustang GT when new. I'd rather have the V8, even if it was the outgoing 4.6L.

 

[exdeath]

what, the truth? tyvm!

my 2006 g35 makes 300 hp, 300 torque from a 3.5L V-6. the exhaust sounds great, thanks to a single pipe coming back to resonators and a muffler with pretty dual chrome tipped outlets. with the right plumbing, you can make a lawnmower sound like the brass section of an orchestra.

last i heard, bmw offered even more power from a 3.0 and better gas milage at the same time

You were saying that the exhaust on any car is fake, but you like the fake sound from your factory stock G35?

G35s sound like shit. Straight 6s can sound good but V6s sound like shit no matter how much you try to dress up the exhaust note. If you think you've done enough to make the V6 sound good, you haven't heard a well setup I6 or V8.

My 03 Cobra 32 valve 4.6L V8 with long tube headers, x pipe, and Borla straight through mufflers sounds 10000x times better WITHOUT special pipes or tricks or resonators to attempt to shape the sound.

Of course, sound is subjective, so I'll just leave it at that.

5 years ago the best 6 cyl BMW had (and still is IMO) is the S54 from the M3 making 333 HP N/A from 3.2L. That was only available in the much lower production M, and was a highly strung finely turned engine that already came with individual throttle bodies and tubular headers from the factory (eg: it's as good as it can be with little to no gains from bolt ons and requires forced induction to take it any further).

This was a limited edition engine that is the pinnacle of n/a 6 cyl engines, and you're comparing that to much cheaper mildly tuned single throttle body iron manifold mass produced engine in a high volume production car? Typical fan boy euro snob attitude right there.

Tell me, why weren't BMWs other 6 cyl engines making 300 HP more than 5 years ago? And tell me, who else had 6 cyls with over 300 HP more than 5 years ago? VQ35s and 2GRs were only making what 267 HP around 2005.

PS the 2006 G35 is not 300/300, it's 282/269 or 298/258 at MOST, nice rounding on the torque there.

 

[exdeath]

Now if they only weighed around 3000lbs. Camaro is a hefty vehicle.

Not going to happen.

3400-3600 is the sweet spot for high performance street car that still retains basic luxuries and safety features. To go any less than that you have to give things up. Even the C6Z is around 3200 lbs and it's only a two seater.

 

[ponyo]

Unless I'm buying compact or economy car, give me the largest engine available for that model. If that's V8, good. V10, great. V12, awesome.

 

[Throckmorton]

Since I may end up living in rural mainland America this year, I'd need the V8 to make Betty Sue drop her panties.

 

[exdeath]

4.6's sound so sweet with catbacks and headers. The LSX lineup kinda bores me. Its exhaust note is kinda tame compared to the LTX's

Thats because you haven't heard one done right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-6r4cYkPu4

The cam has a *significant* contribution to the sound of the exhaust. Most people just judge the sound of a catback and don't factor in the many other contributers.