Watched it and I don't see murder, I see a cop making a completely idiotic mistake and some poor sap paying the price for it. As much as it sucks, it's not murder.
Watched it and I don't see murder, I see a cop making a completely idiotic mistake and some poor sap paying the price for it. As much as it sucks, it's not murder.
It has everything to do with classy's anti-gun views which was brought up by another poster.
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Pathetic. Sounds to me like you don't give a sh*t if it was an accident or not simply because other blacks have been killed and who did it got away with it so hell even if it was an accident so fvcking what, throw the book at him to make up for others who got away. I mean, that's what I'm getting from you. That's how you are portraying your "logic".
Nobody said he did.
Pot meet kettle?
Geeze, no damn kidding. That's why having known NOTHING about this but what I saw earlier today it seemed like an accident to me. Whether the cop SHOULD have used a tazer or not I don't know. I am not sure what police procedure is. My guess is he was following procedure to taze in that situation.
You are the reason the black community has so many problems. The mindset that everyone is out to get you. I had never met any blacks like this until I worked in Baltimore and I'll be damned if they aren't the ones holding themselves back.
It's sad that the lesson some people take from this is that blacks are screwed by racism. The real lesson should be that you should avoid drinking and getting stoned and getting into fights in public. Whenever you do those things there is a risk of death, whether it's from an officer, a violent third person, or the substances themselves.
The victim appears to have been a criminal punk. Did he deserve to die for his actions that night? No. But when you play with fire you eventually get burned.
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I have never looked at a police tazer until just now.. and it just seems so odd that they make it shaped exactly like a gun...
Besides training there must be constant follow up sessions ... to ensure minds and hearts are sharp out there..
yeah i was amazed to find they looked so much alike.
every cop i see with them has them on the OTHER side away from the firearm. to help reduce on accidents like this.
Which is why we need the right who clamors for 'no discretion in sentencing' to lose.
The gun penalties are clearly designed to discourage people who are criminally minded from walking around with guns that make crimes more likely, but in this case there's no such issue, the officer making the mistake did nothing wrong by having a gun and it's pointless to add to his punishment for having one.
The 'non-discretionary sentencing' is just usually injustice done to placate the right-wing paranoia of authority that pervades their views from politicians to judges.
Last night, there was a show on about women in relationships with drug dealers, who got sentences like 24 years based on extensive drug dealing they might not even have known about because of mandatory sentencing, where even if they did a small thing to help their man, their sentence was mandatory to treat them as 'full participants in all the crime'.
I'm not a big fan of this 'collective justice' legislation. It's satisfying to some by giving longer sentences to everyone involved, but is it justice?
I remember a western movie where the story was that a young man wanted for murder in a robbery had the issue of, was he the guy who had shot someone or not?
A very sympathetic view of him was made if he did not shoot the man - which turned out to be the case, and he got lighter justice and the girl.
But under these laws, they'd say 'it doesn't matter if you were against shooting the man and your fellow robber did it, you are equally guilty'.
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I cannot see his intent
I cannot imagine his intent
After I remove emotion from my vision
I see his physical movements and he does not look like a man preparing to shoot a high powered firearm.
I doubt he ever intended to murder a man/son/father?
Something must be done to produce better training and accountability
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d62_1231443295
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b49_1231441438 LOLLLLLLLLLL you can catch this guy from the other liveleak video.
Fucking amazing how much coverage the internet has?!!??!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b49_1231441438 LOLLLLLLLLLL you can catch this guy from the other liveleak video.
Fucking amazing how much coverage the internet has?!!??!
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Yea, this guy was holding himself back so much he shot himself in the back, "by accident of course". But nah, no one is out to get anyone. Its all the myth............
Not sure what that means. The perp was on the ground. If anything, the cops had him where they wanted him and could've easily put bracelets on him. Tasering made no sense from what I saw on the video. Some cops lazily use the taser like a Swiss Army knife.
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That is a video of the first riot which happened after the incident was reported. The riot was of course instigated by the usual rabble of trouble makers lead by a Berkeley anarchist group who owns a bookstore in the city of Berkeley but instigated a riot which destroyed property in Oakland.
It means people need to take responsibility for what happens to them. When you are punk, bad things happen to you whether they are fair or not. The cop made a huge mistake and is paying for it.
It's hard to get upset about the punk though. Now the state has to pay for his daughter's upbringing because he's a moron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant#Oscar_Grant_III
The black people of Oakland just want an excuse to go apeshit and rape and pillage their own town.
LOL
LOL
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i really fail to see how any blame can be put on the guy for getting shot. he didn't force the cop's bad training or stupidity.
First you say the perp does not deserve this, now you're saying he does. You need to make up your mind. The perp could've been anyone that the nervious officer could've killed. It's one thing to have a criminal punk done in by his own, but quite another when an officer of the government makes a mistake like this. I wouldn't care for the former because I would agree witj you. For the latter, police should be held to a higher standard.
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This case shows everything wrong with the justice system.
The DA charged him with 2nd degree murder but the prosecution fail to make it's case. It is disgusting that the judge let the DA essentially fish for a conviction the face that the defendant was overcharged is on the DA not the defendant.
The DA charged him with 2nd degree murder but the prosecution fail to make it's case. It is disgusting that the judge let the DA essentially fish for a conviction the face that the defendant was overcharged is on the DA not the defendant.
No one is proclaiming that he deserved to be shot. Did he deserve to be arrested? YES.
He and his friends started a fight on BART with another rival group. BART PD were called to respond to this situation which had seen 2 sides fighting each other on a crowded train. This is why the BART PD was called to the scene to a hostile situation.
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What is racist about this? If they riot they'll just end destroying their own town.
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not sure on that infohawks post seemed more blaming the "punk" for getting shot the officer.
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