waggy
No Lifer
- Dec 14, 2000
- 68,143
- 10
- 81
i disagree. he refused to talk with investigators.
3-4 years wouldn't upset me at all.
though i suspect he will off with probation.
i disagree. he refused to talk with investigators.
3-4 years wouldn't upset me at all.
though i suspect he will off with probation.
You are actually stupid enough to think that a cop who accidentally killed a black man is going to get put in gen pop? You are fucking insane.
It is true that 75% of the black population ends up in jail at one point in their lives so this kid had a 3/4 chance of ending up in jail some day, now he's just dead so one less inmate. Suck it.
waggy
No Lifer
- Dec 14, 2000
- 68,143
- 10
- 81
He submitted his resignation immediately afterward the incident. Any good defense attorney would of advised a client such as Mehserle to do such a thing so that during any investigation he could then invoke the right to have attorney present. Had he stayed on with BART he would waived any rights to legal consul during a investigation.
I find it funny classy wants this guy to get raped and murdered in prison for an obvious accident. Yet he does not want law abiding citizens to be allowed to own firearms. I think classy is a criminal sympathizer.
How ironic is it also that it was Oscar Grant who was on parole for carrying an illegal firearm prior to this incident as well.
Its always an accident with these no good motherfrackers. You know how many black men have been literally gunned down? And its always an accident...................
Here we'll do this.
You can believe it was an accident and I'll believe he gets real justice, then we can all be one big happy fracking family. How's that?
I've long felt that it was very likely that he was intending to grab and fire his tazer, and did his gun instead.
The conviction for involuntary manslaughter seems fair. There is a high standard and should be for police not making mistakes and injuring or killing from them, and his mistake was nothing worse than involuntary manslaughter. The sentence is not as important, it's arbitrary - none will bring back the shot person. He won't learn anything whether he spends 6 months or 5 years in jail.
The focus on this IMO should be stronger on how to design safe police procedures - are tasers that are more easily mistaken for guns the right ones to use? Is the training ok?
If someone in a police department put out new tasers to officers easily mistaken for guns without much training and this resulted (hypothetically), I'll stop short of calling for criminal prosecution, but I'd think at least they are not doing what they should and civil actions might be justified.
I don't know this officer, but if he's not a lousy person, he's already suffered a lot too for the mistake.
The main thing is to prevent such tragedies, much more important than how they are punished.
But who pays attention to prevention? If the department could spend more on prevention, or use the money for more officers, what does the public support?
If they could get both prevention and more officers but have to tax a little more to do it, what does the public say? In most of the US, 'forget it'.
The conviction for involuntary manslaughter seems fair. There is a high standard and should be for police not making mistakes and injuring or killing from them, and his mistake was nothing worse than involuntary manslaughter. The sentence is not as important, it's arbitrary - none will bring back the shot person. He won't learn anything whether he spends 6 months or 5 years in jail.
The focus on this IMO should be stronger on how to design safe police procedures - are tasers that are more easily mistaken for guns the right ones to use? Is the training ok?
If someone in a police department put out new tasers to officers easily mistaken for guns without much training and this resulted (hypothetically), I'll stop short of calling for criminal prosecution, but I'd think at least they are not doing what they should and civil actions might be justified.
I don't know this officer, but if he's not a lousy person, he's already suffered a lot too for the mistake.
The main thing is to prevent such tragedies, much more important than how they are punished.
But who pays attention to prevention? If the department could spend more on prevention, or use the money for more officers, what does the public support?
If they could get both prevention and more officers but have to tax a little more to do it, what does the public say? In most of the US, 'forget it'.
Yes there's been a lot of black men who have been gunned down and? So because it might of happened in the past, it's ok to assume all cop involved shootings of black men were in cold blood? This is obviously an accident classy and I think you're letting your racism and hate of cops blind your judgment.
http://www.allaboutrace.com/2009/01/12/oscar-grant-imperfect-emblem/
I'll agree that black people have been gunned down for no other reason than being black, but that has nothing to do with this case.
I'll agree that black people have been gunned down for no other reason than being black, but that has nothing to do with this case.
Hell's frozen over and cats & dogs are sleeping together because I actually agree with Craig234.
Oakland is a city which refuses to hire additional cops yet people complain about the crime their. No one in their right mind would move there.
But then I go there every day as I work in downtown oakland.
Oakland is a city which refuses to hire additional cops yet people complain about the crime their. No one in their right mind would move there.
But then I go there every day as I work in downtown oakland.
Hey look I am not going to get into post match. No matter what he may have did or done, he didn't deserve being shot in the back. But you're ignorant anyway so................
So where is the outrage on the high murder rate in seen Oakland?
1 cop fucks up and suddenly its cold blooded murder (never mind the fact that Mehserle will never work as a cop again in his life and that his family had to move due to death threats) and the outrage is always aimed at incidents which comprise less then 1% of all deaths in black neighborhoods but the whole sale slaughter and violence which occurs everyday is no big fucking deal.
Last edited:
dahunan
Lifer
- Jan 10, 2002
- 18,191
- 3
- 0
Where is the accident?
http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/09/...rges-offering-clearest-view-so-far-and-audio/
Just scroll to 1:25 and watch him murder him
and no one has said he deserved to get shot but the incident was nowhere near approaching cold blooded murder. It was a horrible mistake made by a rookie cop who had only been issued a taser 1 month before this incident happened.
Edit: Did you know that 1 month prior to the incident at the Fruitvale station that BART PD had no tasers?
Last edited:
It's a disservice to the many blacks who have been the victims of excessive police violence to say that this case is one of those.
I'm a BART rider. I've seen the situation from this incident. I've seen black and white men who are screaming and threatening to people. I've followed a black man off the train looking for police to deal with him as he threatened violence. The way the police were dealing with this seems appropriate - other than the apparent *accident* of grabbing a gun instead of a taser.
There's a long history of police acting more as a police state for blacks than as their protectors in the past. That deserves better than diluting it with this incident.
Is there pent-up rage for a lack of justice for previous cases? Don't take it out on one not deserving it, or you play into the hands of people who want to say 'see, they're always exaggerating' and dismiss all the issues because you lumped them. And frankly, it's not justice to the police officer to exaggerate his actions from mistake to intentional murder, without the evidence to base it on.
Of course he didn't deserve being shot in the back, no rational person would think he did. Just because he didn't deserve to be shot doesn't mean involuntary manslaughter turns into murder either. It's a shitty situation, but it doesn't look like cold blood murder at all.
Show me how that is not an officer thinking he is pulling out and shooting his tazer? That's the accident. IMO, it's implausible that he intended to kill him.
Think about it. He'd know that it was a crime, that he'd be prosecuted, that there were all kinds of witnesses, that he might be filmed.
That would have been 'cold-blooded murder' to the point he's happy to go to jail for. Why would he?
Its not racism, so lame. Its a fact, black men die far too often in confrontation with cops. And the sad thing is after the fact, you see they did nothing to warrant their death. Point is he didn't have to reach for anything. You are there with two other cops, you got his hands behind his back, at least one, you finish the job of handcuffing the rascal.
I defended that other white cop when he punched that girl in the face, I would have defended him if he had pulled his gun. That other cop was faced with way more of a hostile situation and he shot nor tased anyone. So spare me with the bs blind judgement line. I don't care race even though many here do. I care about facts and what is what really happened. Race unfortunately rears its ugly head.
dahunan
Lifer
- Jan 10, 2002
- 18,191
- 3
- 0
I have never looked at a police tazer until just now.. and it just seems so odd that they make it shaped exactly like a gun...
Besides training there must be constant follow up sessions ... to ensure minds and hearts are sharp out there..
What does that have to do with a retarded police officer who gave other officers a bad name because he grabbed a gun instead of a taser (which are on the opposite side of each other) and ended up shooting a civilian lying on the ground?
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 24K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 20K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter