video games undermining youth potential

[GermyBoy]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
i move to ban all forms of electronic interactive entertainment because they offer no benefit to society other than the economic benefit to the manufacturers. they don't incite any kind of intellectual development, they hinder real social relationships, and most practically they waste time and money. =|

Umm....no. Without videogames, graphics cards wouldn't be where they are today.

 

[BatmanNate]

Of all the humorous scapegoats that you people come up with for your failures here and inadequacies there, this one has got to be my favorite.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: l3ored
pschh, we only do it cause we cant get drugs yet

Bwhahahaha.... Nice.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

video games undermining youth potential

Wrong. They are developing the requisite skills necessary to control the armed drones that will dominate the battlefield of the future :evil:

 

[RagingBITCH]

Laziness is undermining youth potential.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Laziness is undermining youth potential.

yah, and video games (among other things) fuel laziness.


=|

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: jumpr
-3/10

this isn't a parody, btw.


=|

-6/10

 

[Davegod]

People want to play games, theyre not doing anyone any harm, cant stop them playing games. Studies showing computer games make kinds fat or the other studies which show them as being more social or good at problem solving are all basically irrelevant, fact is there's no reasonable justification for making them illegal. If you want to forcibly stop people doing things just because it doesnt do them, you or society much good, piss off to north korea or something. No wait, theyre probably too liberal for you.

ps. ATOT is electronic, interactive and very occasionally entertainment. I take it you have no objections to bannage, and being fined/put in prison when you make a new account. Actually I just got it. You're intellectually undeveloped, have no social skills, lose track of time and are skint. And you're blaming it upon the computer games you play all day every day, because of course it's their fault and not yours.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: Davegod
People want to play games, theyre not doing anyone any harm, cant stop them playing games. Studies showing computer games make kinds fat or the other studies which show them as being more social or good at problem solving are all basically irrelevant, fact is there's no reasonable justification for making them illegal.

for the 10 millionth time, it's not about video games causing any harm - it's about being able to do something better w/ your time, that's equally entertaining. also for the 10 millionth time, i thought that it was very clear that i'm not really in favor of making video games illegal. it was merely a conversation starter. once again, it was a harmless statement not a defacto declaration.

You're intellectually undeveloped, have no social skills, lose track of time and are skint. And you're blaming it upon the computer games you play all day every day, because of course it's their fault and not yours.

actually, i'm the complete opposite. but thanks for pretending to know who i am.

=|

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SampSon

Regardless, for something to exist it shouldn't require a "beneficial" quality defined by our current societal values.

why not? if you see that you're doing sh!tty in a class, you're going to study more. if your car is making funny noises you're gonna take it to the mechanic and get it fixed. you're car will do just fine if you let it keep running, and you might pass the class w/o the need to dedicate more time to it. why then, is it ok to waste away 5 hours a day playing video games? why not change to an activity that's both entertaining and beneficial? the two aren't mutually exclusive.


=|

I think you missed the point.

I don't see how studying more in a class or fixing your car because it's not working right relates to a beneficial value of a particular entertainment activity in society.

So by disagreeing with me, you state that everything should have some sort of beneficial quality to it in order to exist?
Nothing can be detrimental to society or any of the sum of its parts in any aspect.

i think we're falling into a conversation that's difficult to maintain online. my main point within these quotes is this: in my examples (studying and car) i'm talking about two scenarios where something is wrong, and the individual has the ability to rectify it. however in both these situations, by not rectifying the situation there really isn't any harm - at least not in a grand sense. the student will get a bad grade, and the car will underperform. however, most people will decide that they want a better grade or a 'better' car. (key idea: BETTER) playing video games isn't inherently bad. but if there's something better that can be done w/ the time (that's just as entertaining), then why not do it? (again, key idea: doing something BETTER with your time.)


=|

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SampSon

Regardless, for something to exist it shouldn't require a "beneficial" quality defined by our current societal values.

why not? if you see that you're doing sh!tty in a class, you're going to study more. if your car is making funny noises you're gonna take it to the mechanic and get it fixed. you're car will do just fine if you let it keep running, and you might pass the class w/o the need to dedicate more time to it. why then, is it ok to waste away 5 hours a day playing video games? why not change to an activity that's both entertaining and beneficial? the two aren't mutually exclusive.


=|

I think you missed the point.

I don't see how studying more in a class or fixing your car because it's not working right relates to a beneficial value of a particular entertainment activity in society.

So by disagreeing with me, you state that everything should have some sort of beneficial quality to it in order to exist?
Nothing can be detrimental to society or any of the sum of its parts in any aspect.

i think we're falling into a conversation that's difficult to maintain online. my main point within these quotes is this: in my examples (studying and car) i'm talking about two scenarios where something is wrong, and the individual has the ability to rectify it. however in both these situations, by not rectifying the situation there really isn't any harm - at least not in a grand sense. the student will get a bad grade, and the car will underperform. however, most people will decide that they want a better grade or a 'better' car. (key idea: BETTER) playing video games isn't inherently bad. but if there's something better that can be done w/ the time (that's just as entertaining), then why not do it? (again, key idea: doing something BETTER with your time.)


=|

The problem is that you've yet to show how activity X(which might be entertaining to you) is going to be entertaining to someone who likes to play video games. Basically you act as if everyone's tastes are the same. There's a reason why there are TONS of different movies, TV shows, clubs, games, etc.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: Mill
The problem is that you've yet to show how activity X(which might be entertaining to you) is going to be entertaining to someone who likes to play video games. Basically you act as if everyone's tastes are the same. There's a reason why there are TONS of different movies, TV shows, clubs, games, etc.

ok, fair enough. but there are so many possibilites i find it hard to believe that there isn't a viable alternative for every group of interests.


=|

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: Mill
The problem is that you've yet to show how activity X(which might be entertaining to you) is going to be entertaining to someone who likes to play video games. Basically you act as if everyone's tastes are the same. There's a reason why there are TONS of different movies, TV shows, clubs, games, etc.

ok, fair enough. but there are so many possibilites i find it hard to believe that there isn't a viable alternative for every group of interests.


=|

But you are basing this on how YOU feel and what YOU like. Thus, it is impossible to say that someone doesn't receive pure enjoyment about it. The basic premise that video games are a fairly mindless form of entertainment is true. However, most entertainment is mindless.

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
You're right, you didn't use the word "productive," but your argument seems to go along this vein. If I may be so bold as to summarize your post, I think this is what you're saying:

Video games should be banned because they are socially isolating and less productive than other forms of entertainment.

Right or wrong?

partially right. i don't really think they should be banned, that was just a little "umph" to incite some conversation. obviously there's no way that video games would ever be banned. i thought that it was pretty clear that my OP was a fairly harmless statement, not a defacto declaration. and yes, although video games aren't necessarily isolating, it's much easier to shut yourself out.

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
Well, READING isolates people and detracts from real human interaction, but nobody says reading is bad. My point is that being alone is not always a bad thing. In excess, yes, it's a bad thing, but not in moderation.

well reading carries with it other beneficial attributes. however, i never said that being alone was a bad thing either. in fact, it's extremely healthy. however, what you do during that "alone time" is just as important, if not more so.

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
To sum up, I think people are getting worked up because you're making broad generalizations about video games which simply don't appy to every one.

i don't feel as if i'm making generalizations, however this thread has been plagued by people misrepresenting my statements. apparently the internet isn't very conducive towards conveying subtleties. surprise surprise.


=|

Ok, so you don't feel as if you're making generalizations. I'm going to quote your original post:

i move to ban all forms of electronic interactive entertainment because they offer no benefit to society other than the economic benefit to the manufacturers. they don't incite any kind of intellectual development, they hinder real social relationships, and most practically they waste time and money.

If this isn't an extremely broad generalization, I don't know what is. I think you made a mistake in assuming that people would be able to pick up on any "subtleties" in your post; I still don't see any. You make a blanket statement about "all forms of electronic entertainment" and then berate people for "misrepresenting [your] statements"? Not cool. Plain text will never be able to convey the emotion of real life and, if I may be so bold, you shouldn't expect it to. I recommend that you say what you mean instead of making inflammatory comments to incite discussion.

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: Mill
The problem is that you've yet to show how activity X(which might be entertaining to you) is going to be entertaining to someone who likes to play video games. Basically you act as if everyone's tastes are the same. There's a reason why there are TONS of different movies, TV shows, clubs, games, etc.

ok, fair enough. but there are so many possibilites i find it hard to believe that there isn't a viable alternative for every group of interests.


=|

But you are basing this on how YOU feel and what YOU like. Thus, it is impossible to say that someone doesn't receive pure enjoyment about it. The basic premise that video games are a fairly mindless form of entertainment is true. However, most entertainment is mindless.

I actually disagree with the statement that video games are mindless. Yes, there are some mindless video games and you can play just about any game mindlessly, if you want. But even standard deathmatch in a first person shooter requires thinking, planning, positioning, and listening. You have to know what's around you and what potential threats you face. You have to know where to be and what to do in case you're overhwhelmed. You have to listen to what your opponents are doing and where they are. There's so much to being good at these games that I can only believe that those who find them mindless really just suck at them.

In truth, that's why I enjoy video games more than other forms of electronic entertainment; they're interactive. Not only do I get to watch a whole story (or scene) unfold before me, but I get to guide and shape the story however I want and however I am able. Even if it's simply a story of two people fighting (a la Soul Calibur), I get to write the parts where they block, duck, dodge, and advance. What I "write" is limited by abilities that I improve as I play, allowing me to "write" more and better things as I become more skilled.

 

[tastyeel2121]

I think video games can benefit ppl, beacuse they are mentaly stimulating, develop skills required for quick thinking, etc. Yes some video games are pointless but come on if you've ever played UT2004 online it developes team working skills and stratagy.

 

[dfi]

I'm going to take a guess that theNeoone probably played way too much video games in the past, and as a result let his studies or social relationships suffer. And now he blames video games as the cause of what he feels are past inadequacies. But maybe it would be more accurate to blame the individual who plays excessive video games (or excessive anything) for lacking self control.

As a counter example, the individual who has self control may be able to take a 30 min break from mentally or physically challenging work, play some video games or some other activity that is of an unproductive but relaxing nature, and return to his work with much more vigore and vitality than if he had simply carried on without a relaxing unproductive break.

dfi

 

[naddicott]

I have no illusions about video games being beneficial to society. That said, at some point people need to take responsibility for their own personal growth (or lack thereof).

On the other hand, kids buying video games has indirectly allowed me to pay my rent and put food on my table the last few years, so I'm perfectly happy as things are. :evil:

 

[Davegod]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
for the 10 millionth time, it's not about video games causing any harm - it's about being able to do something better w/ your time, that's equally entertaining.

It IS all about video games not causing anyone harm, and therefore it's about people's personal choice as to wether they want to play them or do "something better w/ [their] time". If you want to go do something else and not play video games, nobody's stopping you, nobody cares.
---

also for the 10 millionth time, i thought that it was very clear that i'm not really in favor of making video games illegal.

vs.

I move to ban all forms of electronic interactive entertainment

Which is kind of to the contrary, no?
---

You're intellectually undeveloped, have no social skills, lose track of time and are skint. And you're blaming it upon the computer games you play all day every day, because of course it's their fault and not yours.

actually, i'm the complete opposite. but thanks for pretending to know who i am.

=|[/quote]
So, you play video games, have loads of spare cash, a great social life and still have this opinion because..?
Or, you dont play video games, have loads of spare cash, a great social life and still have this opinion because..?

 

[djNickb]

Originally posted by: SampSon
They are called GAMES for a reason.

Let's ban all card games while were at it. Board games too.
Ban anything that isn't approved by a parenting committee!

I think we should ban breeding first without a government approved license. There are too many parents that suck.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: jumpr
-3/10

this isn't a parody, btw.


=|

-5/10

Edit: Sh|t, xSauronx beat me to it.

 

[Kenazo]

i would agree with the original topic. However I'm sure something else would fill the void if there were no vid games.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: abracadabra1

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Video games help build problem solving capability, spacial thinking, and hand-eye coordination as well.

I don't think they develop hand-eye coordination in the conventional sense since they don't develop any kind of physical ability (strength, speed, endurance...). I'd bet puzzles and legos do a better job at building spacial thinking, though they might not be as entertaining for kids.

Whoo now...maybe not those new crappy legos that are nothing more than a model kit for the millenium falcon...but old school legos? Sh|t, I'd STILL be playing with those if I had enough space in my apartment.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: Mill
The problem is that you've yet to show how activity X(which might be entertaining to you) is going to be entertaining to someone who likes to play video games. Basically you act as if everyone's tastes are the same. There's a reason why there are TONS of different movies, TV shows, clubs, games, etc.

ok, fair enough. but there are so many possibilites i find it hard to believe that there isn't a viable alternative for every group of interests.


=|

But you are basing this on how YOU feel and what YOU like. Thus, it is impossible to say that someone doesn't receive pure enjoyment about it. The basic premise that video games are a fairly mindless form of entertainment is true. However, most entertainment is mindless.

lmao, how many more posts did it take to reach this. I think I summarized this up about 50 posts ago. Regardless, this entire thread was retarded.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: WhiteWonder

Originally posted by: Skoorb
My children will play games a bit, but not that much. They make kids fat, stupid, and lazy. I am not going to watch a kid who should be outside on abike spending 13 hours in front of the tv on a summer day. Just won't happen.

I have done some stupid things outside, when I could have been nice and safe near my computer.

You're probably the better for it Truly children sitting inside playing video games instead of out playing sports are just rotting their brains. I've got a friend with a 6 year old who's got a nice healthy bit of cellulite on his belly - all he does is play bloody video games.

Playing games outside and inside are the same thing. Yet you percieve outside games as good for the body but inside games as 'rotting the brain'. The truth is that outside games are good for the body and inside games are good for the mind.