Who defines what is productive? I've got zero doubt that you are correct that a 6 hour solo session of everquest is productive, but going out and drinking is not really productive. What you fail to realize is no one ever said entertainment HAD to be productive. Going out and drinking or playing golf is NOT productive for the most part. I'm assuming you aren't going to make a dumbass assumption about business deals or something. Entertainment is supposed to be mindless fun. That's what you don't get.
Who defines what is productive? I've got zero doubt that you are correct that a 6 hour solo session of everquest is productive, but going out and drinking is not really productive. What you fail to realize is no one ever said entertainment HAD to be productive. Going out and drinking or playing golf is NOT productive for the most part. I'm assuming you aren't going to make a dumbass assumption about business deals or something. Entertainment is supposed to be mindless fun. That's what you don't get.
You may think that video games are a waste of time but to say that it hinders "real social relationships".
What is so productive about being social? What is the benefit?
Everyone is different. There is no right or wrong way to spend your time. Your whole life you are just looking for ways to keep busy until you die. Thats it. Productivity means nothing in the long run so if someone enjoys video games that is what matters. Enjoy life.
What is so productive about being social? What is the benefit?
Everyone is different. There is no right or wrong way to spend your time. Your whole life you are just looking for ways to keep busy until you die. Thats it. Productivity means nothing in the long run so if someone enjoys video games that is what matters. Enjoy life.
you say that the key is productivity, yet you make a weak (actually nonexistant) argument that video games are productive (either by themselves, or in relation to some alternative activity).
and one more time, it's not about being fat or antisocial.
And if you think bar hopping on the weekends builds social interactivity, heh, wake up. HEY EVERYONE LETS GET SMASHED CAUSE IT FEELS GOOD!
you can trivialize or generalize my statements if you want, but don't misrepresent them. i never stated that bar hopping builds social interactivity, nor did i make any statements that would warrant your comment. however, you're still missing the point. the is idea that your time spent with others (wheter at a bar, or playing cards, sports, etc.) is invariably more beneficial than sitting at home on your couch. and unfortunately, video games favor this type of solitary immobile lifestyle.
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I couldn't agree more. In addition I'd like to add that the time spent with others is invariably more beneficial than sitting at home posting over 3500 messages to an online forum. and unfortunately, forum posting favors this type of solitary immobile lifestyle.
For some (and myself) it's a career. It's already too big to put an end to it, not like it needs an end or anything.
Bar hopping has very little productive value at all. No matter which way you cut it.
So instead of gambling you drink, still not productive. I personally don't play much poker, usually pinochle (sp). I would say that poker is one of the more prevalent card games out there. I have no stats to back this up.
How does entertainment relate to personal development and character building?
Wait, you drink everyweekend but you do it in moderation? That statement contradicts itself. But I understand what you are getting at.
People are dynamic, but not a whole lot can change in a few days in a small sh!tty town. Eventually the conversation goes like this "so, wassup, oh, same old, yea, me too".
So I can agree with you on points. But you have a seriously skewed view on the benefits of social interaction. Bar hopping has little to no benefits.
Isn't the thread topic just one big assumption?
This seems to be more an issue with parenting than entertainment control.
This seems to be more an issue with parenting than entertainment control.
we should ban video games like we banned alcohol during prohibition
then everyone will be playing video games and masturbating more
then everyone will be playing video games and masturbating more
perhaps productivity is the wrong word, but it still doesn't detract from my original argument. there's really no binary opposition here - it's not a matter of "wrong" or "right". it's a matter of relativity, i.e. "better" or "worse." humans are active, social, intellectual creatures. activities that satisfy these basic characteristic are the ones we should nurture the most. i don't know why everyone decided to focus on "drinking and getting smashed" when the emphasis was on the fact that this occurred within a social setting. also, the idea that drinking is bad is itself flawed, but that's an entirely different argument.
i'm not saying that every minute of your life should be occupied w/ some activity that's in some way productive. what i'm saying is that the time spent playing video games could be spent doing something else that's equally (if not more) entertaining, yet satisfies our intellectual, social, or physical "needs" rather than hindering them.
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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: abracadabra1
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: theNEOone
ah, yes. because you know me so well.
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I know enough to know that I don't give two sh!ts about you or your pretentious self. Besides you actually think 1/2 of what is said on AT is true? I don't know you from a cow's ass or a hole in the ground.
Wtf is pretentious about his post? I think we've all played enough games to know that they're a waste of time. Fun? Sure. Productive? Not a chance in hell.
Umm... the whole "I'm a great person with an uber hot woman and 50 inch dick" part was a BIT pretentious.
Or it could be true and you're just blowing it out your ass again. One or the other. But, as you said, you don't know.
Not to say I don't love you, but I take what people say on the internet and rarely believe any of it. Besides, his hot might be nasty to rest of us.
Why Mill, I never knew you carred.
Regardless, you might be right. But then again, you might be wrong. That's the whole point I think. If, for example, he'd said that a normal night for him consisted of talking on the phone with Bush about foreign policy while counting his millions and teabagging Brittney Spears that would be a bit different. At least what he said is plausible though.
not once in my entire post did i say that bar hopping was productive. in fact, i didn't use productive at all - you're putting words in my mouth.
also, entertainment doesn't intrinsically relate to personal development. however, it can be, or at least shouldn't detract from it. when you isolate yourself, you are detracting from real human interaction. this affects many things, including social development.
Eventually the conversation goes like this "so, wassup, oh, same old, yea, me too".
you're telling me that in a bar w/ 100+ people, that's all you can come up with? again, you're proving my point. you said you played tons of video games when you were younger - perhaps it affected your social skills.
Wait, you drink everyweekend but you do it in moderation? That statement contradicts itself.
how is that a contradiction? what about the statment, "i eat 5 times a day, but i do it in moderation." moderation and drinking has nothing to do w/ the absolute frequency, and has everything to do w/ relative consumption.
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Its a form of recreation, just like driving, building card houses, watching tv, collecting GI joe, playing board games, having sex, and smoking crack...
What you view as relevant doesnt matter.
What you view as relevant doesnt matter.
You're entire post is nothing more than retarded semantics. All it boils down to is that video games are bad. And why are they bad? It detracts from your social interactivity (read going outside and talking to other people because appearantly, its a BASIC human need)and it hurts your personal health (read It makes you fat (and appearantly working out is another BASIC human need)).
You're just perpetuating a sterotype that gamers are socially inept wimps. There are those that fit that catagory, there are MANY others that don't.
There are definately detractions that can occur from a lifestyle of nothing but gaming, but the same can be said for those who take up a lifestyle of bodybuilding.
some people just amaze me. thank you, sir.
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Originally posted by: theNEOone
wow, just wow. you're completely missing the point. call it recreation, hobby, arghasdfag......it doesn't matter. a "label" doesn't grant an activity any kind of status. you list "smoking crack" as recreation - am i to assume that it's relatively beneficial just because it's a recreational activity?
some people just amaze me. thank you, sir.
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I didnt say it was healthy, but its recreation, you do it to relieve stress.
The point is, people like different things, if you dont like what they like, WHO CARES?
Appearenly theNEOone your recreation is crying on message boards about things you can't understand.
no, my posts have turned into semantics because people like you are taking what i'm saying and misrepresenting them. so i'm left with no other recourse than to carefully qualify each of my statements. and still, it's no use. i guess i should no better than to bash video games on atot.
and the gamer stereotype isn't merely a stereotype. it's grounded in truth. the demographic for videogames have become extremely diverse within recent years, but regardless MY POINT ISN'T THAT PEOPLE TURN INTO HERMITS. I NEVER SAID IT IN ANY OF MY POSTS, GO AHEAD AND READ THEM OVER. maybe it's what you're thinking. maybe it's what other people have said. my point (for the fvkcing 10 millionth time) is the following: they don't incite any kind of intellectual development, they hinder real social relationships, and most practically they waste time and money. (copied from OP)
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It's implied that you treat bar hopping as a positive activity. Reread all of yoru posts and its very apparant.
Let's see, Ive been a DJ for years in clubs, and spend literally years of my life in them. My partners and I threw one of the longest and most successful nights in the city. Ive spend so much time meeting people, hanging out with them, giving people gigs at our night, and taking gigs at their clubnights.
I have spent MORE than my fair share of time in clubs interacting with more people than I can ever hope to remember. I would play out typically 1-3 times a week. At LEAST once a week at our night. The last thing I have is a social interaction problem.
I wouldn't say that drinking every weekend is moderation. Nor do I understand your analogy.
Originally posted by: theNEOone
no, my posts have turned into semantics because people like you are taking what i'm saying and misrepresenting them. so i'm left with no other recourse than to carefully qualify each of my statements. and still, it's no use. i guess i should no better than to bash video games on atot.
and the gamer stereotype isn't merely a stereotype. it's grounded in truth. the demographic for videogames have become extremely diverse within recent years, but regardless MY POINT ISN'T THAT PEOPLE TURN INTO HERMITS. I NEVER SAID IT IN ANY OF MY POSTS, GO AHEAD AND READ THEM OVER. maybe it's what you're thinking. maybe it's what other people have said. my point (for the fvkcing 10 millionth time) is the following: they don't incite any kind of intellectual development, they hinder real social relationships, and most practically they waste time and money. (copied from OP)
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Oh but drinking promotes intellectual development.
Social relationships? You dont meet people in online games? Or do they have to give us handjobs to be healthy? I dont see where youre going with that.
Oh and the money and time, games are far cheaper than drinking.
Originally posted by: theNEOone
no, my posts have turned into semantics because people like you are taking what i'm saying and misrepresenting them. so i'm left with no other recourse than to carefully qualify each of my statements. and still, it's no use. i guess i should no better than to bash video games on atot.
and the gamer stereotype isn't merely a stereotype. it's grounded in truth. the demographic for videogames have become extremely diverse within recent years, but regardless MY POINT ISN'T THAT PEOPLE TURN INTO HERMITS. I NEVER SAID IT IN ANY OF MY POSTS, GO AHEAD AND READ THEM OVER. maybe it's what you're thinking. maybe it's what other people have said. my point (for the fvkcing 10 millionth time) is the following: they don't incite any kind of intellectual development, they hinder real social relationships, and most practically they waste time and money. (copied from OP)
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Your statements aren't "qualified" because its your opinion. You do know what an opinion is don't you? Gee, it sucks that other people don't think the same way you do, huh?
clarification:
bar hopping carries a connotation that i'm not happy with. i don't go bar hopping (in fact, i can't. there are only a handful of places to go around here). i stated very clearly what i do, and i don't know how it could be misrepresented. again: i go to bars because i enjoy dancing, and hanging out w/ my friends in a non-academic setting. i don't go to bars to get plastered. i don't go to bars to have mindless conversations. i placed no emphasis on this aspect of my life, but unfortunately other posters felt the need to. why? i don't know. also realize that what i'm implying isn't that "bar hopping" is a positive activity. what i'm saying is that being in a social setting is a form of entertainment that satisfies a small aspect of human development. i don't see how anyone could argue that sitting at home alone playing video games is in any way "better" than real human interaction - whether it's at a bar, a park, a cafe, or a goddamn treehouse.
as for my analogy, i'm basically arguing that my original statement was in no way contradictory. i can very easily (and soundly) state that i drink 4 times a week, but in moderation - think about having a glass of wine w/ dinner on 4 different nights.
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um yah, "online friends"??? this deserves a few thousand eye rolls, but i'll throw in just one.Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: theNEOone
no, my posts have turned into semantics because people like you are taking what i'm saying and misrepresenting them. so i'm left with no other recourse than to carefully qualify each of my statements. and still, it's no use. i guess i should no better than to bash video games on atot.
and the gamer stereotype isn't merely a stereotype. it's grounded in truth. the demographic for videogames have become extremely diverse within recent years, but regardless MY POINT ISN'T THAT PEOPLE TURN INTO HERMITS. I NEVER SAID IT IN ANY OF MY POSTS, GO AHEAD AND READ THEM OVER. maybe it's what you're thinking. maybe it's what other people have said. my point (for the fvkcing 10 millionth time) is the following: they don't incite any kind of intellectual development, they hinder real social relationships, and most practically they waste time and money. (copied from OP)
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Oh but drinking promotes intellectual development.
Social relationships? You dont meet people in online games? Or do they have to give us handjobs to be healthy? I dont see where youre going with that.
Oh and the money and time, games are far cheaper than a drinking.
and holy christ almighty. how the hell did this "bar hopping" and "drinking" start. what's w/ the emphasis? someone please tell me, because i have no fvcking clue where it came from. it goes from "i go to bars on the weekends w/ my friends" to "i think drinking is intellectually stimulating." WHAT THE FUCK?
ok new rule, no more responses to idiots that misrepresent my statements.
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