Vick Officially Named Starting QB

[dainthomas]

lolumad?

Haha, whatever. The guy's a convicted felon and a tool. Portland had to deal with the Jail-Blazers long enough to know that character matters.

But whatever. Maybe if he wins the Superbowl he can celebrate by beating his GF and getting a DUI. The team won't care.

 

[Perknose]

This does make the McNabb move look even worse . . .

That doesn't follow, logically. Vick, who's playing far better than Kolb, with Kolb as an immediate option, is not worse than just Kolb alone any way you look at it.

Yeah, historically, Vick has not been a premium NFL QB, I agree. But in these last two games, he has shown an accuracy and a touch and a decision making ability far in excess of what he's shown before.

Perhaps prison focused the speedy animal abuser. Now, we get to find out.

Throwing the hesitant and far less mobile Kolb out there behind the Eagles woefully patchy O-line while the talk show yahoos scream for Vick was not necessarily the way to go.

Vick buys time, and playing him lets the Eagles brass see what he really has and can do over a more statistically significant time frame.

Premium NFL QB's don't grow on trees. If Vick hasn't been one in the past, Kolb has never been one. And I'm not as convinced as seemingly everyone else that he will ever be one. He certainly hasn't proven himself so far.

I applaud this decision.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Haha, whatever. The guy's a convicted felon and a tool. Portland had to deal with the Jail-Blazers long enough to know that character matters.

But whatever. Maybe if he wins the Superbowl he can celebrate by beating his GF and getting a DUI. The team won't care.

lolurmad

 

[Kev]

i would not consider vick top notch, how many playoff games has he won? but he is better than what the eagles currently have on the roster. he should be starting.

How does anyone know vick is better? Kolb got 1 half to prove himself in a real NFL start. All this does is put off the Eagles' rebuilding process for one year, maybe more, because they aren't winning shit this year.

Vick is essentially a running back who can kinda throw the ball ok. He has 2 years left before he falls off considerably.

 

[Kev]

Yeah, historically, Vick has not been a premium NFL QB, I agree. But in these last two games, he has shown an accuracy and a touch and a decision making ability far in excess of what he's shown before.

Two games.

TWO games.

Actually, 1 1/2 games. One against a team that didn't gameplan for him, and one against... the LIONS.

 

[Perknose]

Well when Vick proves again he can't lead a team to the promised land let's hope Kolb is not completely ruined over this fiasco.

Stop hyperventilating. Take a deep breath or two. Your tender concern for Kolb is noted.

IF Kolb is somehow permanently "ruined over this fiasco" then he never had the make-up or strength of character to be a premium NFL QB in the first place.

 

[Perknose]

Two games.

TWO games.

Actually, 1 1/2 games. One against a team that didn't gameplan for him, and one against... the LIONS.

I added up all the games in your answer, it came to 5 1/4.

Did you miss the part of my answer about the inadvisability of throwing Kolb out there behind an Eagles O-line that was patch beforehand and is now missing their center?

Well?

 

[Kev]

I added up all the games in your answer, it came to 5 1/4.

Did you miss the part of my answer about the inadvisability of throwing Kolb out there behind an Eagles O-line that was patch beforehand and is now missing their center?

Well?

Well that's another thing I don't get why people are saying. There are things you can do to compensate for a weak O-Line. Screen passes, quicker routes for example. And those are things that Kolb apparently excels at.

Vick isn't going to be able to go into Madden-mode and just run around the defense every time. He holds on to the ball too long, and while sometimes this allows for plays to develop, it also causes turnovers way too often.

Vick was still sacked 6 times against the lions, and if they were competent at tackling it could have been 8 sacks.

OK I think I'm done ranting now. Going to go watch the phillies

 

[PClark99]

Did not see this coming.

Reid could not have made this decision.

This had to come from upstairs. Either Lurie or Banner made this decision.

Kolb has to be beside himself. Though he isn't a proven commodity. Better to find out now than next year or the year after.

Meh its the difference between being 5-11/6-10 or 9-7.

My birds still aren't going anywhere.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'm glad the Dallas Cowboys didn't pull this same crap Troy Aikman's first year. Aikman went 0-11 as a starter and the Cowboys went 1-15 that year. You have to let these QB's go through the growing pains. Poor decision making by the Eagle's franchise. Just like PClark said it's the difference between 9-7 and 5-11. How far is this gonna set back the Eagle's? This is gonna cost Andy Reid his job. Not this year but soon enough.

 

[PClark99]

I'm glad the Dallas Cowboys didn't pull this same crap Troy Aikman's first year. Aikman went 0-11 as a starter and the Cowboys went 1-15 that year. You have to let these QB's go through the growing pains. Poor decision making by the Eagle's franchise. Just like PClark said it's the difference between 9-7 and 5-11. How far is this gonna set back the Eagle's? This is gonna cost Andy Reid his job. Not this year but soon enough.

Reid's job is safe enough. He is good enough to win enough games to create hope and thats all Lurie wants.

 

[Perknose]

OK I think I'm done ranting now. Going to go watch the phillies

Ok, Kev, et al, please don't get the impression that I think Vick has been anything close to a premium QB in his career, or even a top third one. His passing and decision making has been atrocious.

But he does have a stronger arm than Kolb, and if you don't think a year of Kolb almost never hitting DeSean J. in stride 30-40 yards out isn't going to upset that little prima donna, think again!

Kolb did not look mentally ready in his first game. And if he's not sharp then he was going to get creamed behind the Eagles now further decimated O-line. This would NOT necessarily help his confidence or his development.

Vick buys time. And if, miracle of miracles, he has somehow metamorphosed into an actual NFL QB with true pocket passing ability, all the better.

Draft some O-line beef with your top picks and get Jamaal back and try again with KK next year. He won't be "completely ruined" and he might be even hungrier.

Without Vick and with the first game injuries to their starting center and all-pro fullback, and with Kolb playing with that deer in the headlights look, this was shaping up to be a brutal, unhappy Eagles year.

Now, there's some interest and drama, good or bad.

Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

 

[rcpratt]

Haha, whatever. The guy's a convicted felon and a tool. Portland had to deal with the Jail-Blazers long enough to know that character matters.

But whatever. Maybe if he wins the Superbowl he can celebrate by beating his GF and getting a DUI. The team won't care.

Ray Lewis killed a guy. Donte Stallworth killed someone while driving drunk. Most of the players in the NFL are pieces of shit, but for some reason fighting dogs apparently makes you worse than all the rest. I will never understand what some people are thinking.

Anyways, this is the right decision for the Eagles this year.

 

[IAteYourMother]

dumb decision.

 

[Perknose]

Did not see this coming.

Reid could not have made this decision.

This had to come from upstairs. Either Lurie or Banner made this decision.

If you think either Lurie or Banner could have instated Vick over Reid's determined opposition, then, with all due respect, you don't know much about Reid's status within that organization.

Hell, Reid has more say in the draft than most other coaches, let alone the fact that the buck begins and ends with him on roster decisions.

This doesn't happen if Andy wasn't on board.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

3 time pro bowler and led a mediocre team to a conference championship game. He may not be likable, but only a fool would call Vick mediocre.

Vick was a very mediocre QB. He had a cannon arm and awesome legs, but his QB rating prior to Philly had only broken 80 once and was never 60%+ in completion %. He was a pro bowler because of the fan vote.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

This decision will come back and bite Andy Reid.

The decision to trade McNabb is the decision that will bite Philly, not this one.

 

[zinfamous]

Ray Lewis killed a guy. Donte Stallworth killed someone while driving drunk. Most of the players in the NFL are pieces of shit, but for some reason fighting dogs apparently makes you worse than all the rest. I will never understand what some people are thinking.

Anyways, this is the right decision for the Eagles this year.

Ray Lewis lied about being present when the dude was killed. He didn't kill the guy.

yes, there's a lot of shit-fucks in the NFL that deserve much worse in comparison to Vick and his actions, but there remains a particular societal stigma towards animal cruelty, and particularly this type of cruelty. the PETA tards were perhaps way too powerful in this case--in the sense that the outrage over this was greater than outrage over people like Pacman Jones or Michael fuckface Pittman, who's tried to kill his wife SEVERAL TIMES, but the abuse of largely defenseless creatures will always evoke this kind of mass reaction.

 

[zinfamous]

The decision to trade McNabb is the decision that will bite Philly, not this one.

this.

Go Redskins!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Vick is essentially a running back who can kinda throw the ball ok. He has 2 years left before he falls off considerably.

Vick has one of the strongest arms in the league, if not the strongest; accuracy was always his problem. So far, he has shown far more accuracy but we'll see what happens. Personally, I thought the Eagles were insane to get rid of McNabb.

 

[Kev]

Ok, Kev, et al, please don't get the impression that I think Vick has been anything close to a premium QB in his career, or even a top third one. His passing and decision making has been atrocious.

But he does have a stronger arm than Kolb, and if you don't think a year of Kolb almost never hitting DeSean J. in stride 30-40 yards out isn't going to upset that little prima donna, think again!

Kolb did not look mentally ready in his first game. And if he's not sharp then he was going to get creamed behind the Eagles now further decimated O-line. This would NOT necessarily help his confidence or his development.

Vick buys time. And if, miracle of miracles, he has somehow metamorphosed into an actual NFL QB with true pocket passing ability, all the better.

Draft some O-line beef with your top picks and get Jamaal back and try again with KK next year. He won't be "completely ruined" and he might be even hungrier.

Without Vick and with the first game injuries to their starting center and all-pro fullback, and with Kolb playing with that deer in the headlights look, this was shaping up to be a brutal, unhappy Eagles year.

Now, there's some interest and drama, good or bad.

Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

I came back to this thread because baseball is boring.

As for your proposition of saving Kolb for next year... let's look at the two ways this season can play out and see why it doesn't make sense to hold off with Kolb till next year:

Situation 1) Vick is a success. Leads the team to the playoffs, or close to the playoffs. In this situation, Kolb is not starting next year. They will more likely extend Vick and Kolb's future in Philly is over.

Situation 2) Vick is the inconsistent, mediocre player he has been throughout his career, and the team finishes with a losing record. Kolb is the starter next year, and we've essentially wasted an entire season so we can watch a "superstar" run around.

 

[PClark99]

If you think either Lurie or Banner could have instated Vick over Reid's determined opposition, then, with all due respect, you don't know much about Reid's status within that organization.

Hell, Reid has more say in the draft than most other coaches, let alone the fact that the buck begins and ends with him on roster decisions.

This doesn't happen if Andy wasn't on board.

I know Reid has a say in everything that happens but this is 180 degrees from what he has been saying all along.

Kolb is our QB if healthy, Kolb is our QB if healthy, etc.

The germ for this had to come from someone other than Reid. Because if Reid made this call himself without some pressure from above then he is a complete tool to the rest of the players and they now can't believe a word he says about personnel/depth chart issues. Granted probably the only position that matters in this regard is QB so maybe its not a big deal then.

Anyway whats done is done. At least it should make for some exciting highlights in the coming weeks.

Still if I were running the show, I would have had Vick starting from the get go this year. Naming Kolb starter after McFumble was traded in the offseason might have been a bit premature. Neither QB had a good preseason. At that point I would go with the pedigree.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'm glad the Dallas Cowboys didn't pull this same crap Troy Aikman's first year. Aikman went 0-11 as a starter and the Cowboys went 1-15 that year. You have to let these QB's go through the growing pains.

True, but don't forget they did pick Steve Walsh with a #1 pick in the supplemental draft and that was who won them their lone win in 89 IIRC; as I recall, many in Dallas wanted Aikman benched and for Walsh to be the starter. Fortunately, Jimmy wouldn't hear of it.

 

[sjwaste]

That doesn't follow, logically. Vick, who's playing far better than Kolb, with Kolb as an immediate option, is not worse than just Kolb alone any way you look at it.

Trading the franchise QB to hand it over to the projected franchise qb, only to bench him for a guy with an expiring contract. You're not seeing the logic in how this degrades the McNabb move.

I also never said I didn't applaud the move. Vick does give this team the best chance to win of the QBs on the roster, but if we were benching Kolb for anyone on an expiring contract, I'd prefer it to be McNabb for one more year.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Ray Lewis killed a guy. Donte Stallworth killed someone while driving drunk. Most of the players in the NFL are pieces of shit, but for some reason fighting dogs apparently makes you worse than all the rest. I will never understand what some people are thinking.

Anyways, this is the right decision for the Eagles this year.

Even worse, don't forget Leonard Little -- killed a woman in a drunk driving incident in 98 and was again arrested in 2004 for DWI.

I agree with you -- what Vick did was certainly bad, but what about the people above?