Vick Officially Named Starting QB

[Perknose]

It seems like who's starting at QB is a game by game decision now for many teams. Vick may start this week, but the leash is short.

Is that a grisly pun?

 

[sjwaste]

This. I don't understand why we have prisons if we are never going to forgive. He did his time, more time than normal to make an example out of him, time to move on. I just hope his speed can hold. 28-30 men get slow fast. probably not a good investment for long term due to his style.

This. I still don't love him as a person, but as a lawyer I understand the system we've chosen and can acknowledge that he did pay his debt to society. The guy did two years. Donte Stallworth killed a guy, got a month, and didn't even serve the whole thing.

I also sincerely believe Vick is of better character now than before he went to jail. The guy's been a model citizen in Philly. And Philly is a place filled with people who are definitely not model citizens.

I don't know, I'm pulling for him to be successful. He's the best QB on the roster, and if he plays well, give the guy an extension and see what happens.

 

[Zebo]

BTW pretty cool life some of his dogs have today Some became assistance dogs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-gorant/the-lost-dogs-michael-vick_b_716468.html?ir=Sports#s139797

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

Vick admitted as much that he didn't really work on his accuracy because he got complacent with his athleticism. But seemingly he is grateful for his second chance and is not taking anything for granted. His league 3rd best passer rating shows the marked improvement and effort he put into his game.

Its a short sample size so far but if everything holds then he is going to be one of the most dangerous QBs in the league. And even though he had mediocre stats, he still made Jim Mora Jr. look like a competent coach.

 

[pontifex]

Goddamn it pisses me off how rich and famous people can do terrible shit and then get put right back up on the pedestal like nothing ever happened.

 

[tboo]

The Eagles would have beaten the Packers if Vick played the whole game.

 

[dainthomas]

Ray Lewis killed a guy. Donte Stallworth killed someone while driving drunk. Most of the players in the NFL are pieces of shit, but for some reason fighting dogs apparently makes you worse than all the rest. I will never understand what some people are thinking.

Anyways, this is the right decision for the Eagles this year.

The Blazers had all kinds of talent, and were winning all kinds of games, but a large percentage of people Portland couldn't stand them for the sole reason that they were always getting pulled over smoking pot or breaking into people's houses. Paul Allen and his cronies ran the team like a fantasy league, and they paid for it in the end with massive fan defection after the winning finally stopped. They're STILL trying to get back to the level of support they had in the 90's.

You'll learn.

 

[classy]

No, there aren't a lot of mediocre QBs in the NFL -- there are a lot of AWFUL QBs in the NFL, 3 or 4 great ones, and a few mediocre ones.



His physical gifts are extraordinary, and no one has disputed that.



Really? Like who? How many Superbowls has Vick been to? How many passing titles has he won? How many MVPs? How many QB passing records does he hold?

Have you ever heard of Jim Hart? He made the Pro Bowl 4 times as a QB for the St. Louis Cardinals. I guess that makes him better than Vick, right?



No kidding -- he was the #1 overall pick in the 2001 draft and most #1 overall picks go to crappy teams. They traded with the Chargers to get that pick and the Chargers used that pick to get LT and their second round pick on Drew Brees. Who won that trade?



Uh, excuse me, please do a little reading on Bill Belichick's coaching career BEFORE Tom Brady and then come back and talk to us. Brady is as responsible for Belichick's success as Belichick is for Brady's.

And no, it is not a stupid comment. A stupid comment would be "Vick only has mediocre talent." No one said that. Vick's stats prior to Philly are quite frankly horrible given that he was the #1 overall pick in the 2001 draft.

Your whole post is doesn't make sense. First of all Belichick started with the Patriots when Brady was drafted. Belichick was already one of the top great coaching minds in the NFL. I should know, he coached my Giants. Second you say this

His physical gifts are extraordinary, and no one has disputed that.

Obviously you missed his success in Atlanta where he actually displayed those gifts. Also Vick had only been in the league 6 years until the dog stuff. He led his team to the playoffs his first full year as a starter, his second and in his fourth year he led his team to the NFC championship game. A team that in the two years before he was drafted had won 7 games in two years. And had one great season, but sucked most of the decade. Now here he is with a passing system and he is completing passes like all the other "non-mediocre" qbs. And as for the he is mediocre. Looking around the league right now there are 6 QBS who are better than him and can carry their teams.

Brady
Manning
Brees
McNabb
Rivers
Rodgers

and I see 6 maybe depending on the team structure

Rothlisberger
Eli
Cutler
Romo
Palmer
Sanchez

And truthfully out of that group I only like Eli and Big Ben over him. Thats it. Vick's gifts have translated to his ability for his teams to win. Period. He can win games and make plays that most can only dream about. Even then most them can't do the things he can. I am not an Eagles fan and not even a Vick fan, but all this mediocre stuff you are slinging is bullshit. You don't know what mediocre is obviously. Next you'll be telling me Marino was overrated.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Brady
Peyton Manning
Brees
McNabb
Rivers
Rodgers
Eli Manning
Roethlisberger
Schaub
Flacco
Matt Ryan
Romo
Mcnabb
Cutler
Hasselbeck

listed 15 starting qb's that no one can deny are better qb's than Vick. That leaves Vick at 16 out of the starters. 16 out of 32 teams seems pretty mediocre to me. I didnt even include Bradford or Stafford in the conversation because they are unfinished products but anyone in their right mind would take Stafford or Bradford before Vick so he's really at 18.:/ Damn forgot Palmer. Make it 19.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Your whole post is doesn't make sense. First of all Belichick started with the Patriots when Brady was drafted. Belichick was already one of the top great coaching minds in the NFL. I should know, he coached my Giants.

Ah, how quickly you conveniently forget his coaching tenure in CLEVELAND. You know, where he was canned? He was known as a great defensive mind and coordinator only. I can point to several awesome coordinators who were terrible head coaches (Dan Henning, Gregg Williams, maybe Jim Haslett, etc). Belichick was an unknown quantity as a head coach.

Brady was not drafted to be a starting NFL QB. He was drafted to fill a need at backup. He was the third stringer his first year IIRC and backed up Bledsoe his second year, when he took over when Bledsoe was injured in a freak incident. It isn't as if Belichick drafted Brady knowing how he would turn out. Funny how it seems since Pioli left, the Pats have lost their luster?

Obviously you missed his success in Atlanta where he actually displayed those gifts.

No, actually, I was a Vick fan.

Also Vick had only been in the league 6 years until the dog stuff. He led his team to the playoffs his first full year as a starter, his second and in his fourth year he led his team to the NFC championship game. A team that in the two years before he was drafted had won 7 games in two years.

And in the third year before he was drafted, was in the Super Bowl -- with Chris Chandler at QB.

And had one great season, but sucked most of the decade. Now here he is with a passing system and he is completing passes like all the other "non-mediocre" qbs. And as for the he is mediocre. Looking around the league right now there are 6 QBS who are better than him and can carry their teams.

You named 12 QBs who you would possibly consider better than Vick. I can probably add 3 or 4 more to the list. Guess what? The league has 32 teams and he falls roughly in the middle tier. If that isn't "mediocre," I don't know what is. And really, arguing who is better TODAY is not what we're arguing, we're discussing his tenure in Atlanta. He is vastly improved in Philly and has shown a remarkable increase in accuracy and decision-making skills, so maybe he can be considered elite after this year if he keeps it up.

Also, let's not forget that Reeves installed a West Coast offense for Vick and Vick did not do well in it.

And truthfully out of that group I only like Eli and Big Ben over him. Thats it. Vick's gifts have translated to his ability for his teams to win. Period.

The same can be said for Vince Young. He wins the majority of games he plays in but he is a downright awful passer. That is what we're saying about Vick in Atlanta -- he was not a good passer. He had below-average accuracy and often made poor decisions -- exactly the kind of thing we see with Vince Young.

He can win games and make plays that most can only dream about. Even then most them can't do the things he can. I am not an Eagles fan and not even a Vick fan, but all this mediocre stuff you are slinging is bullshit.

I am going to spell this out REALLY clearly for you. Look at his career QB stats in Atlanta. Those stats are mediocre. Period. You cannot argue that and that fact you are shows that you don't understand how NFL QBs are judged.

You don't know what mediocre is obviously.

You obviously have no clue what it is, because as others have pointed out -- repeatedly -- he was an extremely mediocre QB in Atlanta and his stats prove it.

You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it won't matter because his passing statistics back us up. Remember my Jim Hart example? Check his stats and you'll see he had similar ratings, etc. to Vick. And unless you're around my age (give or take a few years), I bet you didn't even know who Jim Hart was until I mentioned him.

 

[rasczak]

If Vick stays in Philly, he could really do some damage with Reid. He's evolving into the quarterback everyone wants him to be under Reid's tutelage. As a football fan, I am excited to see what he could truly become should he reach his potential. Pocket passer, wildcat qb, running qb, man he could be something even more special with more maturity. As screwed up as this sounds, the whole dogfighting fiasco may have been a blessing in disguise. We'll see how the year turns out.

 

[Homerboy]

It is the best move for the team. Say what you want about Vick, but the guy is still an awesome athlete.

Not only is he an "athlete" (he's always been this) but now it seems he's turned into an actual QB too.

 

[Homerboy]

Now I've read this whole thread....
Some of you people are NUTS.

 

[rasczak]

You obviously have no clue what it is, because as others have pointed out -- repeatedly -- he was an extremely mediocre QB in Atlanta and his stats prove it.

You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it won't matter because his passing statistics back us up.

And sometimes stats are used a little too much in judging a QB. I always thought that wins were ultimately what proved how good a qb you were. Vick, didn't affect the outcome of a game so much with his passing, we all know that. It was his ability to run that sets him apart. I remember a game against the Chargers, in which he decided the game, not with his passing but his running. He's not the complete qb, but using the skills he has and understanding how he affects the game, you've got to give him more credit than calling him a mediocre qb at best. He was (and still is based on the past two weeks) a game changer. Those types of players are true rarities in the league. AP, CJ, Ray Lewis, Darrelle Revis, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. I would put him up there not for his passing, but for what he brings to the table.

 

[rasczak]

Not only is he an "athlete" (he's always been this) but now it seems he's turned into an actual QB too.

Now think about this, Vick becomes a free agent at the end of the season. Vick and the Vikes. Scary huh?

 

[Homerboy]

and sometimes stats are used a little too much in judging a qb. i always thought that wins were ultimately what proved how good a qb you were. Vick, didn't affect the outcome of a game so much with his passing, we all know that. It was his ability to run that sets him apart. I remember a game against the chargers, in which he decided the game, not with his passing but his running. He's not the complete qb, but using the skills he has and understanding how he affects the game, you've got to give him more credit than calling him a mediocre qb at best. He was (and still is based on the past two weeks) a game changer. Those types of players are true rarities in the league. Ap, cj, ray lewis, darrelle revis, peyton manning, tom brady. I would put him up there not for his passing, but for what he brings to the table.

37-31-1

 

[hclarkjr]

Brady
Peyton Manning
Brees
McNabb
Rivers
Rodgers
Eli Manning
Roethlisberger
Schaub
Flacco
Matt Ryan
Romo
Mcnabb
Cutler
Hasselbeck

listed 15 starting qb's that no one can deny are better qb's than Vick. That leaves Vick at 16 out of the starters. 16 out of 32 teams seems pretty mediocre to me. I didnt even include Bradford or Stafford in the conversation because they are unfinished products but anyone in their right mind would take Stafford or Bradford before Vick so he's really at 18.:/ Damn forgot Palmer. Make it 19.

you do realize you listed mcnabb twice???

 

[IndyColtsFan]

And sometimes stats are used a little too much in judging a QB. I always thought that wins were ultimately what proved how good a qb you were. Vick, didn't affect the outcome of a game so much with his passing, we all know that. It was his ability to run that sets him apart. I remember a game against the Chargers, in which he decided the game, not with his passing but his running. He's not the complete qb, but using the skills he has and understanding how he affects the game, you've got to give him more credit than calling him a mediocre qb at best. He was (and still is based on the past two weeks) a game changer. Those types of players are true rarities in the league. AP, CJ, Ray Lewis, Darrelle Revis, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. I would put him up there not for his passing, but for what he brings to the table.

I'd agree that he has the potential but I would say we've only seen flashes of brilliance and he lacks the consistency to be considered an elite player. Does he have elite skills? Absolutely.

 

[rasczak]

37-31-1

Thanks for blowing my reasoning right out of the water.

 

[Homerboy]

I'd agree that he has the potential but I would say we've only seen flashes of brilliance and he lacks the consistency to be considered an elite player. Does he have elite skills? Absolutely.

What elite skills? he's got elite skills of a running back... but he's too small to be a running back. He does NOT have "elite skills" of a QB. QB is a cerebral game as much as it is physical. Manning is great due to his ability to read and exploit defenses 1st and foremost above his arm and accuracy (he doesn't lack in these of course).

Vick has always had a strong arm, incredible running ability and speed, but he has ALWAYS lacked accuracy and "smarts". Lucky for him, "smarts" is something that can be learned and nurtured. In these 1st two games, it seems as though he's starting to understand the QB position more and more... if he can pick up the cerebral game BEFORe he's too old to take advantage of his running/athletic ability (he's 30 already FYI) THEN he could be seriously dangerous.

 

[Homerboy]

Thanks for blowing my reasoning right out of the water.

LOL My pleasure
I don't see him on Minne either, but I didn't want to shoot you down twice

 

[rasczak]

LOL My pleasure
I don't see him on Minne either, but I didn't want to shoot you down twice

you mean, you DON'T want to see him in Minne, right?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

What elite skills? he's got elite skills of a running back... but he's too small to be a running back. He does NOT have "elite skills" of a QB. QB is a cerebral game as much as it is physical. Manning is great due to his ability to read and exploit defenses 1st and foremost above his arm and accuracy (he doesn't lack in these of course).

Oops, my mistake for poor wording. I meant elite physical talents. He probably has a top 2 or 3 arm in the league and awesome speed and agility. I'd say Cutler is the only one that could compete with his arm strength since OffTheMarcus Russell is no longer in the league.

Vick has always had a strong arm, incredible running ability and speed, but he has ALWAYS lacked accuracy and "smarts". Lucky for him, "smarts" is something that can be learned and nurtured. In these 1st two games, it seems as though he's starting to understand the QB position more and more... if he can pick up the cerebral game BEFORe he's too old to take advantage of his running/athletic ability (he's 30 already FYI) THEN he could be seriously dangerous.

I agree 100%.

 

[Homerboy]

you mean, you DON'T want to see him in Minne, right?

Aaron Rodgers fears no man. Everyone knows this.

 

[Turin39789]

10/3 will be a fun game to watch.