Vick indicted

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: jhu
it doesn't matter whether or not we eat dogs. it's animal killing all the same. the killing of most types of animals is somehow socially accepted whereas the killing of one particular animal isn't. don't you see the contradiction in this?

It's not that they were killed that bothers me so much but how. Many of the dogs were tortured, maimed and killed for sport only. I would have the same problem if slaughter houses routinely cut the legs off the cows and then beat them to death with bats.

 

[OdiN]

I don't fricking care and I'm tired of hearing about it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
About time.

I wonder when he'll start serving his time.

After he wins Superbowl MVP of course.

 

[Queasy]

It's on every major sports and news site. It is official.

 

[theeedude]

He's getting lynched for this, and it's a bad PR move, but as far as I am concerned his dogs, his property, none of my business. There are no human rights for animals.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
About time. I wonder when he'll start serving his time. I assume he's done with football atleast untill 2009. I doubt any NFL team will want him after that.

Hopefully the Falcons can recoup some of the money. What a waste.

It's still a drawn out process. Vick will enter his plea today in court. The judge will then set another date for sentencing. Could be another month or two.

The big question is, of course, the money. Will the NFL give the Falcons a special exception over this. The Falcons are hurting at QB right now. Harrington as a starter with Chris Redmond as the backup...after being out of football for two years? They lost their third-string QB for the year in the preseason game on Friday night.

The best that the Falcons can hope for is a crappy season that results in a high enough draft pick to get a hopefully healthy Brian Brohm out of Louisville.

Falcons traded their good backup QB - Matt Schaub. Granted they didn't know about Vick, but they had someone in place and let him go. It's the nature of the business.

Schaub was only going to be around for one more season and the Texans were willing to give up two #1 picks for him. At the time, that was a no-brainer deal. If they had known about the Vick stuff before-hand, they never would have let Schaub go.

 

[LikeLinus]

About time. I wonder when he'll start serving his time. I assume he's done with football atleast untill 2009. I doubt any NFL team will want him after that.

Hopefully the Falcons can recoup some of the money. What a waste.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: jhu
it doesn't matter whether or not we eat dogs. it's animal killing all the same. the killing of most types of animals is somehow socially accepted whereas the killing of one particular animal isn't. don't you see the contradiction in this?

Yes. So?

Besides, not all killings are the same. Raising an animal for food, and then killing it humanely and eating it, is OK in my book. Raising an animal to fight for your amusement, and after forcing it to fight a couple times killing it? Not OK.

Originally posted by: CPA
It is not the same. There is a huge difference in the killing of domesticated animals for sport/human entertainment versus the killing of "wild" animals for sustanance (cows, sheep, pigs are not technically domesticated). If you can't see that then you should take your hippy, vegan, tree-huggy mantra somewhere else.

Umm, yes they are...how do you define "domesticated"?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
About time. I wonder when he'll start serving his time. I assume he's done with football atleast untill 2009. I doubt any NFL team will want him after that.

Hopefully the Falcons can recoup some of the money. What a waste.

It's still a drawn out process. Vick will enter his plea today in court. The judge will then set another date for sentencing. Could be another month or two.

The big question is, of course, the money. Will the NFL give the Falcons a special exception over this. The Falcons are hurting at QB right now. Harrington as a starter with Chris Redmond as the backup...after being out of football for two years? They lost their third-string QB for the year in the preseason game on Friday night.

The best that the Falcons can hope for is a crappy season that results in a high enough draft pick to get a hopefully healthy Brian Brohm out of Louisville.

Falcons traded their good backup QB - Matt Schaub. Granted they didn't know about Vick, but they had someone in place and let him go. It's the nature of the business.

Schaub was only going to be around for one more season and the Texans were willing to give up two #1 picks for him. At the time, that was a no-brainer deal. If they had known about the Vick stuff before-hand, they never would have let Schaub go.

And I said that. But that's the nature of the business. It's a risk to let go a decent backup QB who can win games. They didn't expect Vick to go to jail, but the way Vick plays you could have expected him to get injured. Either way, the Falcons are screwed. It'll be interesting to see how Harrington does.

 

[mugs]

They hung and drowned the dogs? WTF? What a crappy way to go! At least shoot them so they don't have to suffer.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: GenHoth
Don't teams put anything in the contract so that they can void it if the player is convicted of a felony charge? It certainly seems like it would be a good addition in this day and age.

NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, so it doesn't really matter. He won't be paid for this season or any other seasons that he misses due to being in prison/being suspended. They will also pursue a pro-rated portion of his signing bonus. I've heard he'll owe somewhere in the region of $28 million to the Falcons when all is said and done.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
About time. I wonder when he'll start serving his time. I assume he's done with football atleast untill 2009. I doubt any NFL team will want him after that.

Hopefully the Falcons can recoup some of the money. What a waste.

It's still a drawn out process. Vick will enter his plea today in court. The judge will then set another date for sentencing. Could be another month or two.

The big question is, of course, the money. Will the NFL give the Falcons a special exception over this. The Falcons are hurting at QB right now. Harrington as a starter with Chris Redmond as the backup...after being out of football for two years? They lost their third-string QB for the year in the preseason game on Friday night.

The best that the Falcons can hope for is a crappy season that results in a high enough draft pick to get a hopefully healthy Brian Brohm out of Louisville.

 

[NFS4]

He just accepted a plea deal.

 

[SoulAssassin]

These are also the same people that think OJ is innocent.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Gneisenau

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, he's guilty of killing his dogs, but even animal control would kill dogs that are that violent.
I think the whole thing is just stupid, if the federal government has nothing better to do than protect dogs from their owners.

The animals didn't get that violent on their own.

Still don't see what the role for the federal government is. Don't they have terrorists to catch?

It's only the Feds in this case because the dogs were transported accross state lines. Otherwise it would have been a local issue. I would be disappointed if they dropped the ball because "they had more important things to do." Sure if they let a terrorist through becuase they were focused on this that wouldn't be good, but on the other hand I don't really want someone there deciding what cases to toss in the garbage because they fall below some minimum crime level.

I didn't know you couldn't bring your own dogs across state lines.
I see it all the time, the feds say they aren't doing this or that because they don't have the resources due to WoT, but they seem to have time to go after dog owners and pot smoking sick people in SF. The Federal government should stick to crimes with actual human victims.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Injury
Clearly it's a racial issue, because when Peyton Manning had an illegal dog-fighting ring they retro-actively legalized it to save a down-home country boy like Peyton.

is my sarcasm meter broken?

I am hoping he didn't believe the rumors that Peyton was involved in dog fighting. There is a lot of talk saying that IF Peyton Manning was INVOLVED, he would be let off.

I don't buy that.

I just made that up for the hell of it. I've never heard rumors of Manning being in anyway connected.

 

[KK]

You can't change how people are brought up. once a thug, always a thug. And the people that support him are just racist idiots so whats do they matter anyways. You know it's bad when the great Rev. Al Sharpton is nowhere to be seen.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, he's guilty of killing his dogs, but even animal control would kill dogs that are that violent.
I think the whole thing is just stupid, if the federal government has nothing better to do than protect dogs from their owners.

The animals didn't get that violent on their own.

Still don't see what the role for the federal government is. Don't they have terrorists to catch?

Exactly!

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Linflas
Just look at any thread involving animal cruelty on this board. There are those that feel any amount of cruelty and suffering to an animal is not worthy of any concern.

I've never observed that. The only real disagreement I've seen was two sides arguing between euthanizing a suffering animal immediately vs. taking it to a vet.

I think in that thread it was one individual who was basically saying without extensive veterinary experience one couldn't determine if an animal should be immediately put down or not.

Vick = sick bastard

People who contribute to the unnecessary suffering of animals are suck f*cks.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr
First OJ, then Michael Jackson, now Vick.. I tell you, that damn racist legal system... Slashing your wife's head off and killing her lover, inviting young boys into your bed or running an illegal gambling/racketeering operating that involves abuse of animals is beside the point in all of these cases - it's obviously all "the man" out to get them for being black.

I find this intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. No sarcasm intended.

 

[dud]

I just came across this news artcile and all I could say is "Give me a break!":

African American Community Divided Over Vick Plea Deal


Excerpt: "Fans at Playmakers Barber Shop in Midtown said they still support Vick, because they feel he is innocent, and that he is a victim of a racist judicial system."


Some people just go through life with their eyes wide-shut. I guess it must be tough for African-Americans in todays society. Even with all the evidence (and guilty plea) some people just cannot stand to face the truth. I guess it's all about celebrity ... forget about those innocent animals that he "executed".

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, he's guilty of killing his dogs, but even animal control would kill dogs that are that violent.
I think the whole thing is just stupid, if the federal government has nothing better to do than protect dogs from their owners.

Unfortunately it is against the law on several levels. He more than likely was profitting from those dog fights as well.

 

[Triumph]

I think he's innocent. I think the dogs are guilty. I mean, they didn't HAVE to attack one another.

 

[FoBoT]

you forgot to put "YAMVT" in your title

and next time, post in the "Michael Vick" forum

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Injury
Clearly it's a racial issue, because when Peyton Manning had an illegal dog-fighting ring they retro-actively legalized it to save a down-home country boy like Peyton.

is my sarcasm meter broken?

I am hoping he didn't believe the rumors that Peyton was involved in dog fighting. There is a lot of talk saying that IF Peyton Manning was INVOLVED, he would be let off.

I don't buy that.