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Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shoots man... More to come.

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Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: conehead433
Cheney currently being interviewed by Hume of Fox News, but it's not being shown live. They apparently will air the interview (highly edited no doubt) at 6. They will show some excerpts this afternoon. Anyone else troubled by the fact that the VP refuses to do a live interview? This plus the fact that it is FOX doing the interview stinks.

my initial reaction is that this isn't the way to properly conduct himself after such a huge issue has been made over this accident. He is acting like he has something to hide.

is it so hard just to stand there in front of cameras and say it was an accident? and that he is sorry for hurting the man??

maybe it wasn't an accident.

Be honest, would it be easy for you if you did the same thing to just go stand up in front of cameras? I'd imagine you'd be pretty embarrased about it too.

Please, enough of the air of elitism, OK? He's not perfect, but neither are you. Accept it.
There is nothing elitist about it. He is the VEEP for chriisakes quit apoligizing for him and let him be a man about it.

Hell yes it would have been easy for me to do since it was an honest accident I would have nothing to hide. Embarassing sure but nothing as embarassing as carrying on for two days without saying anything to anybody about it. As an elected public officer he is required to have a level of accessibility to the public for good or bad, whether he likes it or not.

to think otherwise is foolish, to act like he can go about his business is foolish. The media, the left, anyone with a thinking brain won't let him get away with it. And finally, now that the administration has been cornered by the media he is granting one interview with FOX news (of all outlets) to discuss what happened...what a crock. They could have handled this alot better but then again, this is just another example of stumbling and bumbling by this administration.

I dont see how you can disagree with this. If you were to put Al Gore in this situation instead of Cheney what would be your opinion then?
 
How is this a "non-story"? Brad and Angelina is a non-story, but that is on every tabloid cover in the supermarket. The VP blasting someone with a shotgun, while drinking, turning the cops away for 12hrs, & then the guy having a heart attack due to the pellets embedded in his chest, is definitely a story. One for the history books in fact, will be one of Bush's most memorable legacies (apart from the Iraq war and Katrina debacles.)

The neo-cons are just pissed bc their boys have again found a way to look like even bigger fools just when you thought they couldn't possibly outdo their last Fubar.
 
Maybe we'll get lucky in the 2008 elections and the Three Stooges will be elected to carry on the GOP tradition
of running the country . . . into the ground.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Maybe we'll get lucky in the 2008 elections and the Three Stooges will be elected to carry on the GOP tradition
of running the country . . . into the ground.

Hillary, Howard Dean, and John Kerry?

Possible.
 
No man is above the law in the United States, including elected representatives (whether they are legally elected is another matter...).
Point being, Dick Cheney shot someone. Even if it were an accident, if it were an average citizen who shot someone else, they would be facing charges.
Dick Cheney should be facing charges for shooting that man. He should be charged for treason anyways, but thats another matter...
 
Originally posted by: Xecuter
No man is above the law in the United States, including elected representatives (whether they are legally elected is another matter...).
Point being, Dick Cheney shot someone. Even if it were an accident, if it were an average citizen who shot someone else, they would be facing charges.
Dick Cheney should be facing charges for shooting that man. He should be charged for treason anyways, but thats another matter...

I'd assume he'd be charged with reckless endangerment... Does the victim have to take Cheney to court for this? I know that even if rape victims don't press charges agaisnt their abusers, the local government and possibly state will.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Maybe we'll get lucky in the 2008 elections and the Three Stooges will be elected to carry on the GOP tradition
of running the country . . . into the ground.

Hillary, Howard Dean, and John Kerry?

Possible.

0/10 :thumbsdown:

Your material is stale s well as predictable and shows a distinct lack of effort...try harder next time
 
Originally posted by: catnap1972
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Maybe we'll get lucky in the 2008 elections and the Three Stooges will be elected to carry on the GOP tradition
of running the country . . . into the ground.

Hillary, Howard Dean, and John Kerry?

Possible.

0/10 :thumbsdown:

Your material is stale s well as predictable and shows a distinct lack of effort...try harder next time

Well, if those three had been present on Deadeye's huntin' trip, he would have had an MD on the scene to treat the wounded and 2 lawyers present for his immediate questioning.
 
I guess he kind of "shot himself in the foot" as far as running for president in '08, huh? Or is it sprayed??

Note: Sorry, couldn't resist the pun.
 
Originally posted by: Pens1566
I guess he kind of "shot himself in the foot" as far as running for president in '08, huh? Or is it sprayed??

Nah--this is proof that he's TOUGH and shows RESOLVE against both traitorous trial lawyers as well as senior citizen LEECHES whose goal is to DESTROY America!

😉

 
Cheney, "A Beer or Two" and a Gun

The role played by the Secret Service in preventing questioning of Cheney on the evening of the shooting takes on new significance. If Cheney was in any way impaired at the time of the shooting, it was certainly to the Vice President's advantage put off the official investigation until the next morning.

Cheney may be able to say, unequivocally, that he was not in an impaired condition when he shot Whittington. But he does now need to start speaking to this precise issue and to all of the other questions that have been raised--and no, it is not enough for the Vice President to take a few softballs on Fox News, the Administration's house network, as the White House crisis management team arranged for him to do at 2 p.m. ET Wednesday.
 
So he shot him in the face... what are friends for? 🙂

This penguin guy that works for us could have been drunk, or there may be any myriad of circumstances involved but we'll never know because he's 'special'. Ooookay. I'm satisfied.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Well from a legal standpoint it is supposed to be reported, which it was to the local sheriff.
Which was done Saturday evening in a timely manner.
However the secret service denied a Deputy Sherrif access to Cheney until the next morning.
The reason for which was also explained in the same news reports disclosing that a deputy was denied entrance:
Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said that about an hour after Cheney shot Whittington, the head of the Secret Service's local office called the Kenedy County sheriff to report the accident. "They made arrangements at the sheriff's request to have deputies come out and interview the vice president the following morning at 8 a.m. and that indeed did happen," Zahren said.

At least one deputy showed up at the ranch's front gate Saturday evening and asked to speak to Cheney but was turned away by the Secret Service, Zahren said. There was some miscommunication that arrangements already had been made to interview Cheney the next morning, he said.
Seems fairly clear to me.
Why was the White House not notified until 3am as McClellan claims?
Again, as was widely reported, the White House (e.g. Bush) was notified by 8:00pm Saturday evening, within a couple hours of the accident. McClellan never claimed otherwise. McClellan stated that he - personally - was not informed until Sunday morning.
And to a lesser degree why wasn't the story reported to the national media until 20+ hours later?
The story wasn't reported to the national media at all. It was picked up by the national media after being reported to local media.

I suspect the reason is because it was relatively low priority by its nature. The Vice President was not the one injured or shot, which would be of national importance and public concern. Instead, the Vice President was the shooter, which only rises to the level of public INTEREST; as in, 'Hey, that is a really interesting story'.

Bush apparently deferred to Cheney's aides and press office, and we know that Cheney does things in his own time and on his own terms, not because the media thinks he should do it on their terms and timetable.
Add to that the right wing media trying to downplay the whole event by using the word pellet gun instead of shotgun.
Huh? What are you talking about?

"Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot and wounded a companion during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, spraying the fellow hunter in the face and chest with shotgun pellets."
-- Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter (Associated Press)


"Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally wounded a companion with shotgun pellets on a weekend quail hunt in Texas, his office said on Sunday."
-- Cheney accidentally shoots hunting companion (Reuters)


"Cheney accidentally shot Whittington with a 28-gauge shotgun Saturday while quail hunting on a ranch in South Texas."
-- Cheney cleared in hunting accident (USA Today)


"Katherine Armstrong, the owner of the ranch, told The Corpus Christi Caller-Times that Cheney turned to shoot at some quail that had just been flushed but instead accidentally peppered one side of Whittington's body with birdshot."
-- Cheney shoots, injures man during hunting trip in Texas (Knight Ridder)


"A hunting companion of Vice President Dick Cheney was recuperating Sunday from shotgun pellet wounds after Cheney accidentally shot the man during weekend quail hunting in Texas."
-- Cheney shoots hunt partner accidentally (Knight Ridder)


"Katharine Armstrong, the ranch's owner, said Sunday that Cheney was using a 28-gauge shotgun and that Whittington was about 30 yards away when he was hit in the cheek, neck and chest."
-- Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter (Associated Press)


"Armstrong said the shotgun pellets broke the skin. "It knocked him silly. But he was fine. He was talking. His eyes were open. It didn't get in his eyes or anything like that," she said."
-- Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter (Associated Press)


So on and so forth, multiplied by 3000 news reports. The only news report I could find describing the weapon as a pellet gun was in the U.K. from The Independent, where shotguns may colloquially be referred to as 'pellet guns' (those Brits and their slang).

While I agree that the general population has a disturbing lack of knowledge about firearms and hunting, thanks in no small part due to the liberal media's general hostility towards firearms and hunting, I don't believe I've ever encountered someone so ignorant as to believe that people typically go quail hunting with air-powered pellet guns (well, except for you, it would seem).

those are all regarded as left wing publications, not right wing.
 
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Future Shock
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Reading *is* a bitch - it require you read *everything*, not just what you want to read. *Obviously*, since you don't like Cheney, you've come up with this supposition that Whittington was standing still, and Cheney turned around and shot him. The facts stated *do not* indicate that.

As expected, though, you try to belittle me to deflect that you may not be right. Do you leftists take classes in this stuff, or does it just come naturally?

Then PLEASE TRY to print - via a quote from an observer - how the victim "got in-front" of Cheney to be shot
. Got it?

"Coming up from behind" someone leaves you - drum roll please - BEHIND THAT PERSON!
Unless that person turns, as they do when tracking a bird with a gun...and it is the person that is turning with a loaded gun that is responsible for where he/she discharges it...not the person that was behind them.

Keep trying fanboi...keep trying...most people in your position would be embarassed by their own efforts to defy logic and physics...

FS

Yelling doesn't make you right. It just makes you louder.

"Coming up from behind" is not the same as "coming up behind". The little "from" changes that. But, since the only thing you can really say to me is "fanboi", you're obviously right. :roll:

BTW, where's your quote, "from an observer" that says Whittington was behind Cheney.

omgstfu

you're a fanboi or an idiot or both. either a, b, or c...

let it go.
 
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: eits
are you a dumbass or just a republican? one of your right-wing pals defending cheney's aimbot....
sad, really... reality seems to escape this poor fanboy.
the only badge of courage i see is the badge pinned on whittington's face administered from cheney's barrel
so, let's follow fanboybee's logic...
yeah, really... you, tcsenter, and fuzzybee should stop posting in order to lessen the load.
I know it was Valentine's Day and all, but do you have a hard-on for me?

and you're saying cheney was NOT irresponsible or reckless with his gun? not only did cheney shoot a dude in the face, but THE MAN FVCKING SHOT SOMEONE IN THE FACE WHILE HE WAS BEHIND HIM!
First, I never said that Cheney wasn't irresponsible; my contention is that Cheney does not hold the full responsibility. Second, Whittington wasn't behind him. You're yelling, though, which, somehow, makes you right.

HAHA i'd like to see the next tookie williams to use that as his defense in court.

you've been saying this entire time that whittington was behind him. now you're saying he wasn't? did you finally realize the error in what you were saying after a couple days of obviousness and common sense?
 
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Pens1566
I still think he was drinking.

well the alcohol would have been cleared out in the ~15 hours or so. Not a horrible theory. I'd buy it for a dollar.

Katharine Armstrong has already been quoted as saying, "Well, there was a beer or two there" (which has been purged from the MSRNC article.

I'm not sure what this"MSRNC" is you speak of, but it's just as easy to say "Whittington admitted that he shot himself, but it's been deleted from the article."

he's making a joke saying that msnbc gets wood for the rnc. any dumbass can figure that one out... but since you're obviously a republican, i guess it might take a little longer.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Any hunters out there who can tell me why anyone would do this:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3675813
Cheney...earlier this week where his ?security detail loaded him and his favorite shotgun into a Humvee,? and went to Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier Township, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. There, he and nine other hunting buddies shot at 500 ringneck pheasants, killing 417 of them. The V.P. was credited with offing 70 of the birds, as well as an unknown number of mallard ducks.

Shooting 70 birds? Is it such a rush? It seems it would get tiresome after 2-3.
I really don't get the attraction to shooting bird after bird.

500 motherfvcking pheasants? someone call the wwf...
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: MadRat
There is no established fact he was drunk.

The beauty of the repub's is that every time they point fingers the rest of the hand soundly points back at them.

And accident or not, if this guy dies then he would be just as guilty of manslaughter as anyone else that accidentily killed another.

And if he dies and Cheney had been drinking.........??

It's just another example of do as they say, not as they do.

he's dick cheney, dude. he doesn't have to be held accountable for jack shyt.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I havent been following the news the last couple of days. But this morning I had to laugh at the way the media is in a frenzy over this story. The today show spent nearly 10 mins talking with Russert about this story and looked awfully desperate to make this thing into something worth following. Russert even bothered to try and link this with Plame and Wiretappings.

Think these people are having a slow week with the news? I am sure there has to be a kidnapping of a white women or celebrity breakup worthy of more time than this story.

i don't think so. i think the vice president of the free world shooting another bastard in the face with a shotgun and the lack of repercussion is newsworthy enough.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Genx87
I havent been following the news the last couple of days. But this morning I had to laugh at the way the media is in a frenzy over this story. The today show spent nearly 10 mins talking with Russert about this story and looked awfully desperate to make this thing into something worth following. Russert even bothered to try and link this with Plame and Wiretappings.

Think these people are having a slow week with the news? I am sure there has to be a kidnapping of a white women or celebrity breakup worthy of more time than this story.

Yea, I could see how the vp shooting someone in the face, torso and neck would be a non-story, and to make it even less of a story, have some neo-con release to the press and make it sound like he was barely grazed. I wonder how that bb got next to his heart to cause his heart attack (or atrial flutter) if he was just grazed.

dead-eye dickie "Holy Crap! I just shot you!"
Harry "No you didn't"
dead-eye "Yea, I did, it's all over your face, neck and torso"
Harry "It's just a flesh-wound"

My apologies to Mr. Cleese, Mr. Palin, Mr. Chapman, Mr. Idle, Mr. Jones and Mr. Gilliam

Hunters accidentally shoot people every year. You making this into a huge story is hilarious.

yeah... and they're held accountable, jailed, or fined heavily. they're also investigated bigtime to make sure there was no negligence involved.

no one needs to make it into a huge story; it already is.
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Be honest, would it be easy for you if you did the same thing to just go stand up in front of cameras? I'd imagine you'd be pretty embarrased about it too.

Please, enough of the air of elitism, OK? He's not perfect, but neither are you. Accept it.
There is nothing elitist about it. He is the VEEP for chriisakes quit apoligizing for him and let him be a man about it.

Hell yes it would have been easy for me to do since it was an honest accident I would have nothing to hide. Embarassing sure but nothing as embarassing as carrying on for two days without saying anything to anybody about it. As an elected public officer he is required to have a level of accessibility to the public for good or bad, whether he likes it or not.

to think otherwise is foolish, to act like he can go about his business is foolish. The media, the left, anyone with a thinking brain won't let him get away with it. And finally, now that the administration has been cornered by the media he is granting one interview with FOX news (of all outlets) to discuss what happened...what a crock. They could have handled this alot better but then again, this is just another example of stumbling and bumbling by this administration.

I dont see how you can disagree with this. If you were to put Al Gore in this situation instead of Cheney what would be your opinion then?

I am not apologizing for anybody.

Easy to say it would be easy to do, but you've never had to. Perhaps you are not as easily shaken by stuff, I dunno. If you could be more bold about telling the public, good for you. What I don't like is how you are being so judgemental of him.

If I was to put Al Gore in the same situation it wouldn't be any different. I don't care who it was that did it, fact is it happened. Now if it had been Gore, would you make so much of a stink about it?
 
Unfortunately when historians look back at this administration, "Cheney shooting his friend in the face" is going to be at the top of the heap of all the crappy things that took place over the last 8 years.

It is a big deal, despite what some apologists here would have you think. A Veep shooting someone while in office (accident or not) is something that doesnt happen...ever.

When was the last time something like this happened? it is historical, whether the fluffers like it or not.

kinda funny they way people want to downplay it. It isn't necessarily a bad thing either (unless the truth isn't coming out and there is something to hide) the guy is human regardless of what people think of him. And humans make mistakes. It is a historic story. but I can't wait until we can get back to issues that matter. Cheney isn't going to hang for this, he isn't even going to get a slap on the wrist.
 
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Be honest, would it be easy for you if you did the same thing to just go stand up in front of cameras? I'd imagine you'd be pretty embarrased about it too.

Please, enough of the air of elitism, OK? He's not perfect, but neither are you. Accept it.
There is nothing elitist about it. He is the VEEP for chriisakes quit apoligizing for him and let him be a man about it.

Hell yes it would have been easy for me to do since it was an honest accident I would have nothing to hide. Embarassing sure but nothing as embarassing as carrying on for two days without saying anything to anybody about it. As an elected public officer he is required to have a level of accessibility to the public for good or bad, whether he likes it or not.

to think otherwise is foolish, to act like he can go about his business is foolish. The media, the left, anyone with a thinking brain won't let him get away with it. And finally, now that the administration has been cornered by the media he is granting one interview with FOX news (of all outlets) to discuss what happened...what a crock. They could have handled this alot better but then again, this is just another example of stumbling and bumbling by this administration.

I dont see how you can disagree with this. If you were to put Al Gore in this situation instead of Cheney what would be your opinion then?

I am not apologizing for anybody.

Easy to say it would be easy to do, but you've never had to. Perhaps you are not as easily shaken by stuff, I dunno. If you could be more bold about telling the public, good for you. What I don't like is how you are being so judgemental of him.

If I was to put Al Gore in the same situation it wouldn't be any different. I don't care who it was that did it, fact is it happened. Now if it had been Gore, would you make so much of a stink about it?

So you're saying that Deadeye is "easily shaken"??? Thats great news.
 
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