Very disturbing, devote christian is a professor at my school.

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: apologetic

Originally posted by: DVK916
I am always skeptical of god believers who claim to be scientist.

Oh? What about Darwin, Galileo, Newton, Kelvin, and Einstein?

Heck, Darwin studied for the priesthood, IIRC.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
wait...to the OP that place doesn't exist. we just die, become part of the earth and then grow into beatiful trees. Only to be cut down turned into paper and have the bible printed on us.

Oh, the humanitree!

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
How old are you?

Hydrology isn't really related to religion.

unless you want to talk about the movement of water as Jesus walked on it...

but in all seriousness...

why is it impossible or hard to believe that a Christian can be a scientist w/o having his Christian views cloud his scientific views...

i am a firm believer in that science and religion go hand in hand (the existence of God can be argued from a scientific point of view) but that's not what this discussion is about.

i'm an enviro engineer and a Christian... my beliefs on religion do not effect my judgement at the work place.... water is h2o... water moves underground based on stratigraphy and specific hydrogeology... i don't see how my views of religion effect what is not only observed to be true but can be proven through equations and experiments...

there are many Christian scientists in this world... seems oxymoronic but as i stated before... science and religion go hand in hand...

just my humble .02

Engineering isn't really science. Engineering is about solving problems with the use of scientific principles. Science on the other hand is about finding out how nature works, which can interfere with religion.

SCIENCE DAMN YOU TIME CHILD!

Engineering is basically applied science. It's not just about using already discovered scientific principles. Many engineers have made valuable contributions to pure science, math etc. There can be a lot of overlap between what an enigineer does and what a (applied) physicist, chemist, mathematician etc. does.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: HotChic
Apparently your secular English teachers didn't teach you to spell, so I doubt he's going to do more damage than that.

Kids are going to encounter situations all through their youth and adulthood where they have to listen to various sets of evidence and make a decision. This is simply one of them.

(You're not that guy who posted a thread about this a while back and then mentioned he worked at a Christian school, right?)

and by "evidence" you mean, what? different sets of evidence? you don't even know what evidence is...

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: HotChic
Apparently your secular English teachers didn't teach you to spell, so I doubt he's going to do more damage than that.

Kids are going to encounter situations all through their youth and adulthood where they have to listen to various sets of evidence and make a decision. This is simply one of them.

(You're not that guy who posted a thread about this a while back and then mentioned he worked at a Christian school, right?)

and by "evidence" you mean, what? different sets of evidence? you don't even know what evidence is...

This is a fairly lighthearted thread at the moment; how about we don't drag it into flamewar? For the sake of peace, let's pretend I said "viewpoints" and we can have an argument about evidence in a different thread or in PM.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
How old are you?

Hydrology isn't really related to religion.

unless you want to talk about the movement of water as Jesus walked on it...

but in all seriousness...

why is it impossible or hard to believe that a Christian can be a scientist w/o having his Christian views cloud his scientific views...

i am a firm believer in that science and religion go hand in hand (the existence of God can be argued from a scientific point of view) but that's not what this discussion is about.

i'm an enviro engineer and a Christian... my beliefs on religion do not effect my judgement at the work place.... water is h2o... water moves underground based on stratigraphy and specific hydrogeology... i don't see how my views of religion effect what is not only observed to be true but can be proven through equations and experiments...

there are many Christian scientists in this world... seems oxymoronic but as i stated before... science and religion go hand in hand...

just my humble .02

Engineering isn't really science. Engineering is about solving problems with the use of scientific principles. Science on the other hand is about finding out how nature works, which can interfere with religion.

SCIENCE DAMN YOU TIME CHILD!

Engineering is basically applied science. It's not just about using already discovered scientific principles. Many engineers have made valuable contributions to pure science, math etc. There can be a lot of overlap between what an enigineer does and what a (applied) physicist, chemist, mathematician etc. does.

What I meant to say is that engineering isn't pure science... So yes, I agree. I still think there is a fundamental difference between engineering and science, though.

 

[eakers]

How do you know you haven't had other teacher's with the same beliefs? If they can seperate it from teh course material then its no big deal. Once I even had a teacher approach me outside of class and ask me to go to bible study with her and I didn't think it was inappropriate and she was a fantastic teacher overall.

Its funny how athiests are so against people who are religious for being "closed minded".

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: eakers
How do you know you haven't had other teacher's with the same beliefs? If they can seperate it from teh course material then its no big deal. Once I even had a teacher approach me outside of class and ask me to go to bible study with her and I didn't think it was inappropriate and she was a fantastic teacher overall.

Its funny how athiests are so against people who are religious for being "closed minded".

ZOMFG SHE WUZ PUSHING HER RELIGIONZ ON YUO! U MUST CONTACT SCHOOL DEPT ASAP 2 REPORT THIS INJUSTICE!!!1!!!1!!1!!1!eleventy-one
</DVK916>

:roll:

- M4H

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: DVK916
I edited it because I wasn't 100% sure I was correct in saying most Christians reject physics.

Bwaaaaahahaha!!! Oh man, this is classic. I'm a Christian, a degreed Chemist with a Physics minor, and an IT professional. I'm not sure what about Physics (or Chemistry, or Information Technology) I'm supposed to reject simply because I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior.

Oh, man, please keep talking. This thread is classic. :thumbsup:

 

[Hammerhead]

"Ooooh I'm cool because I hate Christians. I'm gonna write about it on my myspace page."

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: TreyRandom

Originally posted by: DVK916
I edited it because I wasn't 100% sure I was correct in saying most Christians reject physics.

Bwaaaaahahaha!!! Oh man, this is classic. I'm a Christian, a degreed Chemist with a Physics minor, and an IT professional. I'm not sure what about Physics (or Chemistry, or Information Technology) I'm supposed to reject simply because I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior.

Oh, man, please keep talking. This thread is classic. :thumbsup:

You believe in Jesus, therefore you must believe in the Lordeon quark, and Christionic matter. But have you found evidence to support the existence of these particles? Have you ever found the elusive Miraculons and the way in which they interact with normal matter? Mhmm, that's what I thought.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

Originally posted by: evident
if you've never had him, get a ****** life and stop bitching, i'm tired of all you anti religion retards trying to ignite flame wars, you're just as bad as fundamentalist christians/islamists who try to do the same sh!t

While I might understand your intention, I dislike seeing any form of Christian label paired with an Islamic one. To be a fundamentalist does not a terrorist make. If you are thinking of a few radical people who have committed attrocities in the name of God, their god was not related to Christianity of any form.

Fundamentalist has become a denigrating epithet for anyone who actually believes in God and the Bible. By that definition, I am a fundamentalist. But, I have never considered murdering anyone, nor destroying anyone's property. If you wish to make an issue out of that, that is fine, so long as you keep your terms straight.

So Christians have not killed countless number of people in their history?

I think people need to realize that people kill because of some other reasons and that religion does not have to be the only reason. People tend to use religion to further their politics, agenda onto other people.

People often use the word fundamentalist to describe someone who is just that - a fundamentalist. I don't think most Christians or Muslims are viewed as fundamentalists, just a few.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: apologetic

Originally posted by: DVK916
I am always skeptical of god believers who claim to be scientist.

Oh? What about Darwin, Galileo, Newton, Kelvin, and Einstein?

Heck, Darwin studied for the priesthood, IIRC.

The man who was used as an expert to get rid of the teaching of ID in Dover, PA is a practicing Catholic.

 

[KillerCharlie]

DVK once again proves how stupid he is.

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: TreyRandom

Originally posted by: DVK916
I edited it because I wasn't 100% sure I was correct in saying most Christians reject physics.

Bwaaaaahahaha!!! Oh man, this is classic. I'm a Christian, a degreed Chemist with a Physics minor, and an IT professional. I'm not sure what about Physics (or Chemistry, or Information Technology) I'm supposed to reject simply because I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior.

Oh, man, please keep talking. This thread is classic. :thumbsup:

You believe in Jesus, therefore you must believe in the Lordeon quark, and Christionic matter. But have you found evidence to support the existence of these particles? Have you ever found the elusive Miraculons and the way in which they interact with normal matter? Mhmm, that's what I thought.

Not yet. I'm currently praying about it, though.

I did find a new element just last week (actually, the Holy Spirit brought it to me). I'm gonna name it Jehovium (Jh).

 

[Orsorum]

I find it astonishing, sometimes, how violently many secularists and Christians separate science and religion. Granted, the two have a long and tortured history, but a checkered past does not render the two mutually exclusive. Many of the greatest scientists and scientific minds of the last two millennia were devoutly religious, and I think their religious wonder may have contributed to their zeal for scientific inquiry.

I am agnostic, but I find no fault in a person holding religious beliefs who is also a scientist. They are entitled to their beliefs, as am I. I would not force my agnosticism on my religious or atheist friends, out of respect for their ability to reason and draw their own conclusions about such matters. I think it is baffling and unconscionable that you would persecute a teacher because of his religious beliefs when he has done nothing to warrant reproach.

 

[QED]

DVK, you were much more fun when you were just posting pictures of yourself dressing up as the pre-paid phone poser...

"You're outta minutes, yo!"

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: TreyRandom
Not yet. I'm currently praying about it, though.

I did find a new element just last week (actually, the Holy Spirit brought it to me). I'm gonna name it Jehovium (Jh).

It's a pretty reactive element though, isn't it? Nearly everyone who's witnessed it often garners negative reactions from people, generally after ringing their doorbell.

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: TreyRandom
Not yet. I'm currently praying about it, though.

I did find a new element just last week (actually, the Holy Spirit brought it to me). I'm gonna name it Jehovium (Jh).

It's a pretty reactive element though, isn't it? Nearly everyone who's witnessed it often garners negative reactions from people, generally after ringing their doorbell.

Only for those who don't believe in its existence.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I find it astonishing, sometimes, how violently many secularists and Christians separate science and religion. Granted, the two have a long and tortured history, but a checkered past does not render the two mutually exclusive. Many of the greatest scientists and scientific minds of the last two millennia were devoutly religious, and I think their religious wonder may have contributed to their zeal for scientific inquiry.

I am agnostic, but I find no fault in a person holding religious beliefs who is also a scientist. They are entitled to their beliefs, as am I. I would not force my agnosticism on my religious or atheist friends, out of respect for their ability to reason and draw their own conclusions about such matters. I think it is baffling and unconscionable that you would persecute a teacher because of his religious beliefs when he has done nothing to warrant reproach.

The only area where science and religion collide is origins obviously. The study of the origin of man, and life, obviously presents problems to a group of people that already believe they have the answer and can't deal with their answer being wrong. The classic example is the person that declares that if there were no god they would be out raping and murdering. (Anyone that makes that admission should be carefully watched as they are clearly unstable and could become a serious danger to everyone around them.)

I would personally wager a guess that more than 99% of the American population, if fully educated in modern biology would accept the value of the science and it's conclusions without damaging their beliefs. Many stories in the Bible are symbolic and dumbed down to the knowledge of the people that transcribed them, as a result it's not hard to interpret that the account in Genesis was also modified to account for the knowledge of the people to whom it was related. I find it hard to believe that Moses could have related modern biology to the illiterate slaves of Egypt and achieved understanding by the masses.

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

Originally posted by: evident
if you've never had him, get a ****** life and stop bitching, i'm tired of all you anti religion retards trying to ignite flame wars, you're just as bad as fundamentalist christians/islamists who try to do the same sh!t

While I might understand your intention, I dislike seeing any form of Christian label paired with an Islamic one. To be a fundamentalist does not a terrorist make. If you are thinking of a few radical people who have committed attrocities in the name of God, their god was not related to Christianity of any form.

Fundamentalist has become a denigrating epithet for anyone who actually believes in God and the Bible. By that definition, I am a fundamentalist. But, I have never considered murdering anyone, nor destroying anyone's property. If you wish to make an issue out of that, that is fine, so long as you keep your terms straight.

So Christians have not killed countless number of people in their history?

I think people need to realize that people kill because of some other reasons and that religion does not have to be the only reason. People tend to use religion to further their politics, agenda onto other people.

People often use the word fundamentalist to describe someone who is just that - a fundamentalist. I don't think most Christians or Muslims are viewed as fundamentalists, just a few.

You raise a question that would require a thread of it's own to answer. But, to put it briefly, terrorism is murder, killing is not necessarily murder. The 10 Commandments says that "Thou shalt not murder", not as it is commonly translated "Thou shalt not kill".

Of course, there have been alot of murders done under the guise of Christianity, but simply calling one's self a Christian, doesn't make it so. Whatever evil is found in Christendom is not a justification for all evil elsewhere.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: raildogg
So Christians have not killed countless number of people in their history?

I think people need to realize that people kill because of some other reasons and that religion does not have to be the only reason. People tend to use religion to further their politics, agenda onto other people.

People often use the word fundamentalist to describe someone who is just that - a fundamentalist. I don't think most Christians or Muslims are viewed as fundamentalists, just a few.

The word fundamentalist just means somebody who adheres to or believes in the fundamentals of their faith. The fundamentals of Christianity don't include killing people or furthing a political agenda. I'd say there's a large portion of Christians that are fundamentalists but a small portion that are extremists that murder people in the name of their faith.

 

[IEC]

Baka.

 

[woofersus]

Agreed. I think the term fundamentalist has been confused because of the issue of radical islam. Not that all muslims are killers or anything, but fundamental believe in the teachings of Muhammed means striving for an islamic republic, which means many of the radical muslims committing atrocities are motivated by political intentions which are part of their fundamental understanding of the Koran. Christianity has certainly gotten mixed up with politics over the centuries, but it really isn't a fundamental tenet of the faith. People with political views and the desire for political power have abused the faith of others in their desire for personal gain. As a "Fundamentalist" Christian, I despise all the violence wrongly commited in the name of God

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: DVK916
, This man is a devote christian, and is teaching science to the young minds are my school. Don't you think something is wrong with this. He even wrote books trying to relate religion and god. Horrible if you ask me. His god belief clearly clouds his judgement, and affects his teaching.

YAT(roll)T