Venice 3000 or 3200

[superkdogg]

Originally posted by: xer9
PCPerspective OCd a 3200+ to 2.8Ghz fsb increased, multi at stock 10x... how does that compare to the 3000+ and is it worth $50 more?

This question can't be asked in a vacuum. It is entirely dependent on the RAM and mobo that you'll be using. If they both support the higher HTT speeds that the 3000+ would be using, then it's the 3000+. However, if the clock generator can't do that high of HTT, or the higher HTT forces you to a) use a much slower divider or b) buy much more expensive RAM then the 3200+ wins.

If you have a quality mobo that would do 315 or so on the HTT end, I'd save the $ since the memory bandwidth isn't that important on A64, but that's just me. BTW I'm currently running a Winchester 3000+ with 300 HTT and 200 MHz on the memory, so that tells you where my standpoint comes from.

 

[oddyager]

i have a nf4 ultra-d board with OCZ PC3200 Platinum rev2.0 RAM sticks in it. would it make sense to go with the 3200+? are they good enough?

thanks.

 

[zendari]

Adding to this thread:

I have a set of 2 GB PC3200 that I'd like to continue to use if possible. I'll definitely buy the DFI nforce 4 board.


I am kind of confused about which processor to get. The 3000+ has a 9x multiplier, so to reach 2.8 it needs 312 mhz FSB. Is that typical of the dfi nforce 4 board?

I also don't understand what this TCCD or ballistix stuff is.

 

[nombrecinq]

I'm a total noob, so could you just explain a few things for me? I was originally thinking of getting a 3800 which runs at 2.4GHz. Does this mean that if I instead get a 3200 and OC then my 2.8GHz AMD64 will kick the crap out of the 3800? Also if I choose the 3200 what are my best options for a mobo?

 

[lament]

ok now it's 2 months later..

what's the concensus? I'm an Intel guy looking to make the switch.

I'm thinking about a Venice 3000+ or 3200+ on an Asus A8N-SLI Premium mobo. I have 2x512mb of Kingston HyperX PC3200 @ 2-3-2-6, and 2x256MB of Corsair XMS PC3200LL @ 2-3-2-6.

I'm new to overclocking, but I think I saw a couple posts here about what to do.

My question: can I push the 3000+ with the A8N-SLI Premium?

And can anyone recommend a CPU cooler that will handle this overclock? thanks!

 

[lament]

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[imported_djspe]

Originally posted by: PClark99
I preordered a 3500 OEM chip. I have high hopes for 250x11.

Can someone post OC results for the 3500 OEM, I'm assuming these are the BW e6 chips. I just noticed that eWiz now has these for about $150! So now the question is do I go with the 3000, 3200, or 3500? They are all roughly the same price.

It seems like e3s are impossible to find anymore. Many have commented that the later e3's OC about the same as e6, so is it even worth seeking e3s anymore?

I plan to buy next week. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Assimilator1]

Yikes ,I nearly forgot about the multiplier limitations of the Ath64s!

Thanks to this thread I'll be getting the 3200 Venice for my mates PC ,its only £15 more anyway

I'll let you know what it o/cs too

 

[Hacp]

It really depends on the board you have. If you have a board capable of going to HTTS like 350, then the 3000+ is the choice to get. If however, your board is limited to 300, then the 3200+ will give you the best chances of trying out the high overclocks.

 

[Assimilator1]

I've no idea what the mbrd will do as I haven't picked one yet ,& even when I do I still won't know what speed it can do........ unless you know of some speed table list for mbrds anywhere? ,but I bet its not that easy

Also I could lower the multiplier of the 3200 if need be.

 

[Shenkoa]

I could not get the 3000+ E3 stable past 2500 MHz with my board and even that was hard.

3200+ for sure.

 

[Assimilator1]

What chipset is that?

 

[CactusJak]

The 3000+ and 3200+ are basically the same price now. From what I've gathered from this thread, if I use a DFI LP Ultra-D then the 3200+ is the way to go. Am I thinking correctly?

 

[Assimilator1]

If their the same price then yes the 3200 is definitely the way to go

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: lament
ok now it's 2 months later..

what's the concensus? I'm an Intel guy looking to make the switch.

I'm thinking about a Venice 3000+ or 3200+ on an Asus A8N-SLI Premium mobo. I have 2x512mb of Kingston HyperX PC3200 @ 2-3-2-6, and 2x256MB of Corsair XMS PC3200LL @ 2-3-2-6.

I'm new to overclocking, but I think I saw a couple posts here about what to do.

My question: can I push the 3000+ with the A8N-SLI Premium?

And can anyone recommend a CPU cooler that will handle this overclock? thanks!

First off, say no to Asus.
They are not that great for OCing, not to mention overpriced.

Go with the Epox 9NPA+ Ultra SLI mobo if you feel you need SLI, or perhaps the Abit AN8 Ultra SLI mobo.
The DFI would be the best overall for OCing if you don't care about money & don't mind tweaking things.

For CPU, i'd recommend neither the 3200+ or 3000+.

Right now, the best ones are the s939 Opterons.
The 144 (1.8 GHz 1 MB L2) or 146 2.0 GHz 1 MB L2) would be your best options.

If you go with a mobo that's sketchy for OCing (like that Asus), you'd better go with the 146 since you'll need the 10x multi.
Better option is to get a proven OCing mobo like the DFI, Abit, or Epox i mentioned & then you'll likely be fine with the Opteron 144 unless you want an overly insane high OC.

 

[Assimilator1]

Interesting point about the Opterons ,but how much more are they than the 3200s?

Btw MSI Neo 4-F ok for overclocking?

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Btw MSI Neo 4-F ok for overclocking?

It's actually my #1 budget OCer mobo recommendation.

It's quite good; there's a big thread somewhere in this forum or the Motherboards forum on it.

I'm thinking i may go with it myself when i finally switch to PCI-e, since it's cheap, OCs well, & really only lacks IEEE1394, which many of us don't need.

If you spend a bit more, the Epox or Abit may give you slighty better OCs.
Actually, from the reviews i've seen, the Abit is actually a wicked OCer, right up with the DFI.

 

[n7]

Oh, & as for the Opterons...

http://www.tankguys.biz/opteron-cache-socket-p-1420.html

Opteron 146 2.0 Ghz 1Mb Cache Socket 939 - $211.97

 

[Assimilator1]

I see I could get the Opteron 144 for £100 & the 146 for £111 ,they are San Diego's ,do they overclock as well as 3200 Venice's?

Btw I don't get it ,the Opterons have 512KB more L2 cache than the low end Ath64s for no extra cost ,there must be some sort of a catch?

 

[CactusJak]

Btw I don't get it ,the Opterons have 512KB more L2 cache than the low end Ath64s for no extra cost ,there must be some sort of a catch?

The 3200+ is $152 on NewEgg, so it's $60 more for that Opteron.

 

[imported_Manager]

I prefer a Opteron.

Is better than venice and have a good price...

Think Cool... Think Opteron!

Manager
I only speak a bit of english!
More i speak in spanish, italian, portuguese and destuch...

 

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: CactusJak

Btw I don't get it ,the Opterons have 512KB more L2 cache than the low end Ath64s for no extra cost ,there must be some sort of a catch?

The 3200+ is $152 on NewEgg, so it's $60 more for that Opteron.

Well here the 3200 is £100 ,& the 146 is £111 ,so I guess its a little more ,not alot though
An Optron is sounding like a good idea now ,do they overclock as well?

 

[fabidovalle]

I ordered today the Venice 3200 (stepping E3) from eWiz for $154.00, but since then they already raised $4.00 on the price.

Anyone here know of any issues of this CPU with the Mobo i chose (EPoX EP-9NPA+ SLi Socket 939 ) ??

Thanks!!

 

[Assimilator1]

To answer my own question about Opterons,they are awesome at overclocking!
Loads are hitting 2.7-2.8GHz ,some 3GHz

n7
I paraphrased your comment (re Ath 64 vs Opteron) & created a thread about Opterons in the Micro Mart forums ,then my thread got printed in their magazine!
Sorry I didn't name you personally,couldn't remember your nick at the time.
Anyway thanks to you my mate has now got a better cpu & hopefully an awesome overclocker too (I've just updated the MM thread to give you some credit)

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: McArra
But Venice can easily do 2800Mhz, let alone a 9x multiplier and.... You better buy 3200 with 10x multiplier this time, it's not a Winnie

My Venice can't do 2.8GHz. Can't even POST at 2.65GHz. Luck... or lack of it?