Venice 3000 or 3200

[Promethply]

The 3200+ would be a better bet IMO

 

[filterxg]

3200 for me. But not until they get a little closer to winchester prices. A $20 premium is ridiculous (sp?). Looking for it at $5 premium so I figure to be waiting another month. Its the cost of being cheap.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: filterxg
3200 for me. But not until they get a little closer to winchester prices. A $20 premium is ridiculous (sp?). Looking for it at $5 premium so I figure to be waiting another month. Its the cost of being cheap.

that price difference is nothing compared to a better OC, better mem controller, sse3 ... dont forget you are not paying for a winnie here ...

EDIT: typos

 

[filterxg]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: filterxg
3200 for me. But not until they get a little closer to winchester prices. A $20 premium is ridiculous (sp?). Looking for it at $5 premium so I figure to be waiting another month. Its the cost of being cheap.

that price difference is nothing compared to a better OC, better mem controller, sse3 ... dont forget you are not paying for a winnie here ...

EDIT: typos

You're right, and if Venice's would always be $20 more I would shell out the money, they are worth it. But they aren't going to be that much more for long, so I'll wait a bit.

 

[arcenite]

You're all saying the 3200+ due to the 10x multi, but can you not set the 3000+ to 10x as well?

 

[Zebo]

I change my mind to 3200 because of the preliminary results of 2800Mhz-3100Mhz. That high 9x causes problems.

 

[Avalon]

I ordered the 3000+ with a DFI NF4. My DFI NF3 was able to do 340HTT no problems, so I'm sure this NF4 board can 325HTT for me, which would yield 2.925ghz...probably higher than I'd want to comfortably run 24/7 anyway.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: arcenite
You're all saying the 3200+ due to the 10x multi, but can you not set the 3000+ to 10x as well?

3000+ only goes up to a 9x multiplier

 

[WA261]

3500. Peopel are hitting 3.2 on pahsechange.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: arcenite
You're all saying the 3200+ due to the 10x multi, but can you not set the 3000+ to 10x as well?

3000+ only goes up to a 9x multiplier

Oh!

 

[d33pblue]

Definitely getting a 3200. Or if I decide to splurge, a 3700 San Diego.

 

[Lithan]

I bought a 3000+, because I figure I can sell my winchester (a good overclocking early one) and only be out a night at a bar's worth of cash, while hopefully gaining a better memory controller and a couple hundred mhz.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Lithan
I bought a 3000+, because I figure I can sell my winchester (a good overclocking early one) and only be out a night at a bar's worth of cash, while hopefully gaining a better memory controller and a couple hundred mhz.

Lightweight.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Avalon
I ordered the 3000+ with a DFI NF4. My DFI NF3 was able to do 340HTT no problems, so I'm sure this NF4 board can 325HTT for me, which would yield 2.925ghz...probably higher than I'd want to comfortably run 24/7 anyway.

That's nice. Anand couldnt get his board past 315. Some Forums members less than 300.... no guantees. And if you hit the "good chip" lotto and get one of these 'hover around 300' boards you're fusked with the 9x.

PS: I went though 3 NF3 boards before I found one that could hit 300 for my crappy 9x winch. Granted NF4 goes higher, but why sweat it when a 10X will solve all your problems.

 

[n7]

I already have a 3200+...a 754 NewCastle, that is

I'd get the 3200+ for sure.

3000+'s lower multi adds too much of a challenge to risk IMO.

 

[JASANITY]

what does a 10x multiplier do? sorry im a noob

 

[Zebo]

The CPU?s clock speed is determined by the HTT speed multiplied by a clock multiplier.

A 10x is the clock multiplier on the A64 3200.

The stock HTT speed is 200Mhz. So 3200 = 200Mhz x 10 = 2000Mhz

To overclock a CPU you either raise HTT or clock multiplier or both.

But since most A64's have top locked multiplier we must raise HTT.

Thankfully the HTT can go high depending on the board. But some may not go high enough to max out the chip. Therefore the higher stock multipliers are desired. Which the 3200 has in 10x. 3000 does'nt being 9x.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo
The CPU?s clock speed is determined by the HTT speed multiplied by a clock multiplier.

A 10x is the clock multiplier on the A64 3200.

The stock HTT speed is 200Mhz. So 3200 = 200Mhz x 10 = 2000Mhz

To overclock a CPU you either raise HTT or clock multiplier or both.

But since most A64's have top locked multiplier we must raise HTT.

Thankfully the HTT can go high depending on the board. But some may not go high enough to max out the chip. Therefore the higher stock multipliers are desired. Which the 3200 has in 10x. 3000 does'nt being 9x.

Good points and that being said if you have a quest for 2.7ghz plus with the 3000+ it is going to take a 300HTT and higher. NOt all NF3U boards can do that and even quite a few NF4 boards have issues.....

Now for the most part if the board can do it you are safe cause with the wonderful world of ample ram dividers it is not too hard to find a way to keep ram close to specs.....Sometimes it helps by being able to drop a multipler..NOw if you are already at 9x it means 8 and lower...That is just going to raise the HTT to 338 to get to 2.7ghz....

I am going with a venice 3200+...I know the board can do 330 HTT but I would feel safer knowing I have headroom...Plus I wouldn't be happy with 2.7ghz...I need 2.85-3ghz to be happy and with a 9x it would take 317-333HTT and that is cutting it close....The 3200+ is not that much more now and for the 10x multi and possibly only needing 285-300HTT which I know it will do all day on this board I will pay for it...

 

[cpush]

Im building soon with a vnf4 ultra and corsair valueselect. Now which would I benefit from more? The 3000 or 3200 venice?

 

[hippotautamus]

Pardon me, but could someone explain to me what a divider is? Is it a ratio of the FSB speed to the RAM operational speed? (Ie 5:4 - FBS = 250, ram = 200?)

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: cpush
Im building soon with a vnf4 ultra? The 3000 or 3200 venice?

Neither. Buy a Dell.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Avalon
I ordered the 3000+ with a DFI NF4. My DFI NF3 was able to do 340HTT no problems, so I'm sure this NF4 board can 325HTT for me, which would yield 2.925ghz...probably higher than I'd want to comfortably run 24/7 anyway.

That's nice. Anand couldnt get his board past 315. Some Forums members less than 300.... no guantees. And if you hit the "good chip" lotto and get one of these 'hover around 300' boards you're fusked with the 9x.

PS: I went though 3 NF3 boards before I found one that could hit 300 for my crappy 9x winch. Granted NF4 goes higher, but why sweat it when a 10X will solve all your problems.

My solution tells me to trust in the force.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: hippotautamus
Pardon me, but could someone explain to me what a divider is? Is it a ratio of the FSB speed to the RAM operational speed? (Ie 5:4 - FBS = 250, ram = 200?)

Yeah but it's not called FSB but HTT. And it's a ratio but not the traditional way, but drived off CPU multiplier too in addition to what you set mem setting at. It gets complicated but all you need to know is ram can run at less speed than HTT(FSB) when overclocking.

 

[hippotautamus]

I know how to use them and why, I just wasn't really sure what they were lol. Thanks

 

[Nil Einne]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Avalon
I ordered the 3000+ with a DFI NF4. My DFI NF3 was able to do 340HTT no problems, so I'm sure this NF4 board can 325HTT for me, which would yield 2.925ghz...probably higher than I'd want to comfortably run 24/7 anyway.

That's nice. Anand couldnt get his board past 315. Some Forums members less than 300.... no guantees. And if you hit the "good chip" lotto and get one of these 'hover around 300' boards you're fusked with the 9x.

Of course there are not guarantees. But most reports suggest the DFI can achieve 311 (for 2.8ghz) no problem and can often reach 333FSB (for 3ghz). Bear in mind Anandtech DID NOT test the FSB properly. They only ran async so it was very likely the RAM limiting their boards. Very few RAMs can go that high and you probably wouldn't want to anyway sinc eI doubt you'll get good latencies on that. Remember as previously noted, 1:1 for the RAM only makes a minimal difference with A64s and HTT. Much more important is the FSB for the HTT. Many people have gotten 350-370 for the HTT FSB on the DFI boards. So although there are no guarantees, I would say for those with DFI boards, the multiplier issue is not such a big issue.