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Venezuela thread

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If I’m Denmark calling Canada tomorrow to arrange joint military exercises around Greenland and on the northern border of Canada
 
Brovane said:
Because the US blocked China in VZ by removing Maduro. Maduro’s Arrest Isn’t About Oil — It’s About China
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Trump explicitly and repeatedly said we're going to control VZ and its oil.
What you both do not seem to comprehend is... you changed nothing. Maduro's regime is still in power.
Now you have made them desperate to strike back, and look for help. Who do you think that help is going to be?

It did not take much for rebels in Yemen to make the United States navy FLEE the Red Sea.
Imagine what China could provide to the Americas.... as Trump's regime threatens Columbia, Cuba, Mexico, Panama, Canada, and Greenland.

"Law and order"
"America First"
I call bullshit. It's just Nazis doing Nazi things. Europe saw it in the 20th century, now the Americas get to see it in the 21st century. Different year, different actors, same old shit. The banality of evil as the horrific nature of mankind rises once more, eager for blood, war, and the enslavement or slaughter of others.

Repeat after me. MAGA Nazis are evil.
  1. NOW RUBIO WANTS CUBA
  2. ...AND THERE'S GREENLAND
  3. THREATS TO REMOVE COLOMBIA PRESIDENT
 
Jaskalas said:
Trump explicitly and repeatedly said we're going to control VZ and its oil.
What you both do not seem to comprehend is... you changed nothing. Maduro's regime is still in power.
Now you have made them desperate to strike back, and look for help. Who do you think that help is going to be?
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If anybody that remains in Maduro's regime gets that idea, they will not be around for very long. They know that. I suspect that some people are going to take the chance and flee to Russia so they can spend time playing Fortnite with Assad instead of sitting in a jail cell in New York.

HomerJS said:
So it wasn’t justifiable then but is now?
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In what way justifiable? This is global politics.

Was Panama better off after Noriega was removed from power?
 
IronWing said:
I must say I'm rather amused with our new found experts on Venezuela and why committing this war crime and violating the clear language of our Constitution was actually a really good idea.
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Oh the entire thing is a bad idea because the Trump administration doesn't have the competence to close the deal after the Military pulled off a well planned operation to capture Maduro. The US overall is not good at nation building. Still trying to figure out how the US pulled off Panama and managed to get a stable Democratic government in power after removing a military dictator. I have a high degree of confidence that the entire thing is going to go sideways even if there is some short term immediate gains right now. Trump just cannot help himself to F@#k stuff up.
 
Brovane said:
If anybody that remains in Maduro's regime gets that idea, they will not be around for very long. They know that. I suspect that some people are going to take the chance and flee to Russia so they can spend time playing Fortnite with Assad instead of sitting in a jail cell in New York.



In what way justifiable? This is global politics.

Was Panama better off after Noriega was removed from power?
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How did invading Cuba work for us?
How did deposing a duly elected Prime Minister in Iran 1953 work out for us?
 
My "take"? It's a violation of international law, which will now have less meaning in restraining other countries and adversaries.

And if someone wants to arrest Maduro for legitimate reasons, I'd rather it weren't Trump. Trump is a criminal. Somehow, this has become so normalized that people just accept it. But I don't. He's a criminal. Period. The end. A sociopath, a criminal and a rapist. His supporters just shrug this stuff off. There's no "Greatest Generation" here.

I'll be looking to see the charges against Maduro, the witnesses against Maduro, and the evidence against Maduro.

This country should not be in the hands of a lunatic and criminal. That's all I have to say.

Maybe someone should kidnap Trump and arraign him before some tribunal on legitimate charges.
 
Brovane said:
It isn't like this isn't unprecedented. US has a history with this part of the world of doing exactly what Trump did with Venezuela. Not saying this is right, but there is certainly precedent.
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Yeah this is dog bites man, not a man bites dog kind of story sadly.

 
BonzaiDuck said:
My "take"? It's a violation of international law, which will now have less meaning in restraining other countries and adversaries.

And if someone wants to arrest Maduro for legitimate reasons, I'd rather it weren't Trump. Trump is a criminal. Somehow, this has become so normalized that people just accept it. But I don't. He's a criminal. Period. The end. A sociopath, a criminal and a rapist. His supporters just shrug this stuff off. There's no "Greatest Generation" here.

I'll be looking to see the charges against Maduro, the witnesses against Maduro, and the evidence against Maduro.

This country should not be in the hands of a lunatic and criminal. That's all I have to say.

Maybe someone should kidnap Trump and arraign him before some tribunal on legitimate charges.
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He deserves an indictment from The Hague like his mentor Putin rather than that Peace Prize he's so fixated on. He's piling up potential charges against himself the likes of which our historical records will look like a hefty grocery shopping list of crimes against humanity, against our laws, against Our Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc.
 
Is there even the slightest indication of the government (all Manduro allies) and military leaders would follow US dictates? How would it even work?
 
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