Venezuela thread

[Jaskalas]

MAGA Nazis just shoot women in the streets.
I don't think they'd take issue with messing with ballots, access to polls, etc. I very much distrust them to hold and run and free and fair election.

 

[nakedfrog]

MAGA Nazis just shoot women in the streets.
I don't think they'd take issue with messing with ballots, access to polls, etc. I very much distrust them to hold and run and free and fair election.

And you're right to feel that way. They will engage in all the fuckery they think they can get away with. Our saving grace may be that what they think they can get away with and what they can actually get away with may be different things. But they may not, in which case... well, I hope you're planning accordingly.

 

[Abwx]

MAGA Nazis just shoot women in the streets.
I don't think they'd take issue with messing with ballots, access to polls, etc. I very much distrust them to hold and run and free and fair election.

The problem i see in the US is that despite 76M voting for him and about 75M for Harris there s still 93M eligible voters who didnt participate in this election.

So not only he was elected by only 31% of the voters pool but there s a lot of reserve in the 93M non voting for eventual fraudsters who would be tempted to trick the next elections, it s not difficult with such an anonymous quantity to pick a million here and there to adjust the results to the desired numbers and win by say a single percent or two.

 

[brycejones]

The problem i see in the US is that despite 76M voting for him and about 75M for Harris there s still 93M eligible voters who didnt participate in this election.

So not only he was elected by only 31% of the voters pool but there s a lot of reserve in the 93M non voting for eventual fraudsters who would be tempted to trick the next elections, it s not difficult with such an anonymous quantity to pick a million here and there to adjust the results to the desired numbers and win by say a single percent or two.

Thank you for telling us you have no idea how US elections are actually run. You should go do some research.

 

[HomerJS]

Turns out this entire escapade is the plan of Putin. In 2019 Putin offered Trump Venezuela in exchange for unfettered access to Ukraine. I bet Putin is also pushing Ttump to invade Greenland knowing it will break up NATO. THis country is being played by the KGB agent.

Trump's former advisor said Russia offered U.S. free rein in Venezuela in exchange for Ukraine

The Russians repeatedly floated the idea of a 'very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine,' Fiona Hill said during a congressional hearing in 2019.

www.latimes.com

Reading of a transcript of closed door testimony. Notice how Trump co-opted the use of Monroe Doctrine

 

[K1052]

Turns out this entire escapade is the plan of Putin. In 2019 Putin offered Trump Venezuela in exchange for unfettered access to Ukraine. I bet Putin is also pushing Ttump to invade Greenland knowing it will break up NATO. THis country is being played by the KGB agent.

Trump's former advisor said Russia offered U.S. free rein in Venezuela in exchange for Ukraine

The Russians repeatedly floated the idea of a 'very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine,' Fiona Hill said during a congressional hearing in 2019.

www.latimes.com

Putin has come to the aid of exactly zero of Russia’s purported allies in their hour of need. ZERO! Iran? Nope. Armenia? Nope. Syria? Nope.

This offer is to sell something they are giving away for fee. Betting that Russia will abandon all its “friends” is the easiest money you could make.

 

[Abwx]

Thank you for telling us you have no idea how US elections are actually run. You should go do some research.

I know how you run it, an electoral college change nothing to frauds possibilities,
the electronic vote is neither a garantee that all is fair, if all is going without issues
why is there parts of the country, even if marginaly in the whole, where votes had to be re counted.?.

Also ther are technics other than plain ballots manipulations to get a desired result,
the opinion can be manipulated by fake news, false flag events and so on.

 

[brycejones]

I know how you run it, an electoral college change nothing to frauds possibilities,
the electronic vote is neither a garantee that all is fair, if all is going without issues
why is there parts of the country, even if marginaly in the whole, where votes had to be re counted.?.

Also ther are technics other than plain ballots manipulations to get a desired result,
the opinion can be manipulated by fake news, false flag events and so on.

Nope you have no idea how it actually works.

 

[Brainonska511]

I know how you run it, an electoral college change nothing to frauds possibilities,
the electronic vote is neither a garantee that all is fair, if all is going without issues
why is there parts of the country, even if marginaly in the whole, where votes had to be re counted.?.

Fraud is basically non-existent in the US and our system of highly decentralized elections. Audit after audit shows there is no problem. It's very common to recount things when it is close/within some margin of error - why would that be a big deal?

Also ther are technics other than plain ballots manipulations to get a desired result,
the opinion can be manipulated by fake news, false flag events and so on.

And Europeans aren't susceptible to fake news and whatnot? Hold I'm, I'm getting a memo about the rise of ultra right wing parties in Europe...

 

[Abwx]

Nope you have no idea how it actually works.

If you say so, let see in the next elections.

And Europeans aren't susceptible to fake news and whatnot? Hold I'm, I'm getting a memo about the rise of ultra right wing parties in Europe...

Of course that it also happen in Europe, people are easy to manipulate, and even so since the covid crisis, you can brand me conspirationist if you want but it s a given that this diseases rendered people quite more stupid.

Tthink about it, even people who did feel no symptoms at all lost as much as 2% of their neuronal mass, so how much for someone who had weaker immunity system.?.

Result is that on average people got more emotional, instinctive and less capable of intelligence, because with a few percent lighter brain it s not only a few percent IQ that vanished.

 

[brycejones]

If you say so, let see in the next elections.

Who do you think runs elections in the US?

 

[Abwx]

Who do you think runs elections in the US?

I wont abund in this conversation but i m fully aware that it s not centralised and run by local authorities since what is elected is an electoral college representative of each province.

 

[gothuevos]

I like this comment to an opinion piece at the NYTimes:

Tim B
California 7h ago

You promised to fix America and delivered Grand Theft Diplomacy, steal territory, wreck alliances, blame everyone else.

You're underwater on the economy, healthcare costs are squeezing families, cities are unsettled, and the core promises that got you elected are still waiting to be kept. So instead of governing, you go globe-trotting in your imagination, running Venezuela, flirting with invading Greenland, and treating foreign policy like a hostile takeover pitch.

As even the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board points out, Greenland is strategically important. Adults handle that with diplomacy, investment, and cooperation with allies. You, however, let aides float military force against a NATO partner, rattling Denmark and openly undermining the alliance that protects U.S. security. That’s not strength, it’s recklessness dressed up as bravado.

And while you posture, Putin gets exactly what he wants: a divided West, frayed alliances, and less leverage for Ukraine. You aren’t projecting American power, you’re discounting it.

Then you complain about losing the midterms and facing impeachment? This is why. Voters asked for lower costs, stability, and competence. They didn’t ask for imperial cosplay, Greenland saber-rattling, or Venezuela as a vanity project.

You ran to be president of the United States, not CEO of a global chaos franchise. Fix what’s broken at home, work with allies abroad, and stop confusing bullying with leadership.

And start ignoring Stephen Miller.

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“But I’ll still vote for you again.” -whoever this guy is

 

[Brainonska511]

I wont abund in this conversation but i m fully aware that it s not centralised and run by local authorities since what is elected is an electoral college representative of each province.

Next you're going to be opining on the importance of warm water ports and the ministry of whatever...

 

[MomentsofSanity]

They want to be called canadians but they do not agree to call their southern neighbors with the name of their continent, they ll tell you that they are also americans, or perhaps that you should pay attention to the canadians opinion before telling them that they do not care, because actually they do from what i did read here and there.

Beside why should it be a problem to call Usans the US citizenry, here in France the name of the US in french is Etats-Unis, and some call their citizenry Etatsuniens, others are stuck with the term Americains.

lol not a single one of us would say that. This is just pure fantasy nonsense.

 

[Abwx]

Next you're going to be opining on the importance of warm water ports and the ministry of whatever...

So in the US there s no electoral college as interface between people and the president
for presidential elections..?..

United States Electoral College - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

lol not a single one of us would say that. This is just pure fantasy nonsense.

Yet i know canadians who said so, you represent only yourself, so please dont say "us".

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So in the US there s no electoral college as interface between people and the president
for presidential elections..?..

United States Electoral College - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yet i know canadians who said so, you represent only yourself, so please dont say "us".

I live hear and have for 51 years and I have never heard of this is my entire life. It’s nonsense. And I will happily say us because I can. Where does one even come up with this shit?

 

[Brainonska511]

Yet i know canadians who said so, you represent only yourself, so please dont say "us".

You must be the luckiest person in the world to meet plural Canadians who would willingly call themselves "American".

 

[Muse]

USAians seems too confusing with asians, that s why i ll use the term usonians, as for english it s still less abusive than french and much more logically constructed, indeed it s quite easy to learn for a french along with italian and spanish.


No one decide of the bills that decide for his life, everyhere there is voluntary loopholes to get the masses from really getting what they want, we are thrown bones, although i would agree that there s some who can extract more than they provide to the society, the dividing line is in the income, there s a threshold at wich point you collect more benefits than what you re providing to others.

I wont get further in this debate but i ll point what jazzmen Sun Ra once stated, that there s no real minister of justice, as the role of this minister is simply to punish those who break the laws, but at the same time those who make things such that we live in a better world are never rewarded, it is like the society feel entitled to collect those good deeds for free.

You're establishing yourself as a hopeless troll in this thread, and have succeeded.

 

[Abwx]

You must be the luckiest person in the world to meet plural Canadians who would willingly call themselves "American".

He doesnt call himself an american on a daily basis because his country has a name, but he reminded me that, like the US inhabitants, he s also an american as an inhabitant of north America, and that he dont like reading "american' when one is talking of an US citizen or anything US related, and indeed, is there more northern that a canadian in North America.?.

 

[Abwx]

You're establishing yourself as a hopeless troll in this thread, and have succeeded.

If it was only me i wouldnt reply to the numerous reply i got on this infinitesimal subject, but seems that i did hit some sensitive nerve with some people, anyway you re right, so the case is definitly closed.

Edit : On the thread subject the Venezuelian vice president just stated that no external agent is governing Venezuela, so it seems that the Trump administration is spreading lies if this woman is right.

 

[amenx]

No, canadians and mexicans are also americans, the US citizens are called Usans....

Call them Gringos. In keeping with the sentiment Latin Am currently has with their countrys actions.

 

[amenx]

You assume Maduro will get a fair trial? They're going to railroad him one way or another like they're doing to the patsy in the CKirk case.

 

[DZero]

Fraud is basically non-existent in the US and our system of highly decentralized elections. Audit after audit shows there is no problem. It's very common to recount things when it is close/within some margin of error - why would that be a big deal?

And Europeans aren't susceptible to fake news and whatnot? Hold I'm, I'm getting a memo about the rise of ultra right wing parties in Europe...

Well, the Ultra RIght Wing is being hampered by Trump's doing and also they got Putin's funds, so they have fractures everywhere

 

[Muse]

Another good article at The New York Times. Published yesterday. Comments section closed, worth reading. I suggest ordering them by Reader picks.

Link to current article at The New York Times is PAYWALL PENETRATING for 14 days, i.e. until 01/21/2026:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/06/opinion/venezuela-american-history-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.C1A.5Gze.0KWfCt2FWOsZ&smid=url-share