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MtnMan

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Trump made his move for Venezuela's oil, and one of his buddies will certainly end up controlling it.

The real question is who is next?
  • Greenland
  • Panama
  • Canada
 

Abwx

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majority of Venezula's oil is of the 'heavy' variety which is a pain to process, they also have huge oil deposits made from tar sands....also hard to process at current market prices, this is one reason (of many) no one wants to go in despite Madura saying please come back a month or so ago, i believe US oil companies rebuked trump on this as well)
What is missed by some is that with WTI, shale and other light oils you can only make gasoline and eventually kerosene, while the heavier oils contain also long chain hydrocarbons that allow to make diesel, asphalt, plastic and many other by products.
 
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FelixDeCat

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I know people who oppose removing Maduro will not watch this, but this video was made back in 2022 when Biden was trying to coddle Maduro for his oil by loosening sanctions in return for fair elections. To understand why Maduro first accepted the world's open hand at friendship then slapped it away, you have to understand the history of the Socialist Revolution.

For a time wealth was concentrated solely in hands of the upper class while the lower and middle class was mostly living in poverty. They finally swept a brash military man to power, Hugo Chavez and his incompetent young lacky "Nicholas Maduro", a former bus driver who would be no threat to Chavez. For a few years, the Socialist Revolution was a success and poverty was reduced from 70% to 7% (according to the video) however this would not last as they seized the oil fields from America and left no one capable of managing them properly.

It is a good video worth watching, that actually tries to show all sides:

 
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Jaskalas

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"Show all sides".
You have no business attacking, decapitating, and destabilizing another country.
You have no business threatening to do this to Cuba, Columbia, Mexico, Panama, Canada, Greenland, etc.
You are a god damn Nazi.

These acts of war will be paid in blood. That threat isn't from me, it is from all the people you are harming. It will not matter if your propaganda calls it freedom or liberation. Vengeance will be coming for all of us Americans. And we will fucking deserve every last bit of it.
 
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Abwx

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For a few years, the Socialist Revolution was a success and poverty was reduced from 70% to 7% (according to the video) however this would not last as they seized the oil fields from America and left no one capable of managing them properly.

It is a good video worth watching, that actually tries to show all sides:
Actually the oil company employees were corrupted to death as they used it as a mean to embezzle money through contracts with an equally corrupted venezuelian private sector, so in 2003 or so they went in a general strike and Chavez fired thousands of those employees even he knew that it would cause the decline of oil output, his plan, wich worked, was to ask friendly countries oil engineers to fill the gap the necessary time to form a new generation of employees.

On the theme of poverty he succeeded in reducing the poverty wich was the lot of 90% of venezuelians one year before he came to office, this enraged the fascist opposition so they decided to sabotage the country s economy for fear that it would definitly legitimate the left wing, first by tempting a state coup in 2002 and then by a politically motivated strike in 2003, that s the strategy of the the right wing and their foreign allies, to starve a population in the hope that it s the ruling left that will be considered as incompetently managing the country.
 

Amol S.

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Amol S.

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Bro, people care more about the next iPhone and the Stranger Things finale than they do about some dictator getting plucked out of a country they can’t even pick out on a map and will be forgotten in 2 weeks.

Shit was over when he was elected a second time. Enjoy the WWE spectacle.
Although..... the only exception to this would be Putin or Komini being plucked out...... you do know that there are news sources that state there are sour relationships in the mid to lower-upper ranks of their governments. They probably would be happy.... Maduro on the otherhand..... the VZ military liked him, and he had a bunch of friends everywhere, according to wikipedia.
 

Amol S.

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Fentanyl, the chemicals are produced in China. Shipped to the USA and Mexico and there fentanyl is prepared. Then the fentanyl is sold in the USA. But in Europe it can be found as well now.
Venezuela seems to have nothing to do with fentanyl production.
Read wikipedia.... it says coke.... not fenty. Even Trumps rambling said coke, not fenty.
But he did not do this to stops the drugs, he did this so the price of oil could come down.
 

biostud

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Read wikipedia.... it says coke.... not fenty. Even Trumps rambling said coke, not fenty.
But he did not do this to stops the drugs, he did this so the price of oil could come down.
It's good that oil is going down in the regards that Russia will have even more difficulty financing their economy, but from what I understand if the barrel price gets close to $50 or below, there will be a lot of US oil fields who have very little or no profit or even start loosing money.
 
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Read wikipedia.... it says coke.... not fenty. Even Trumps rambling said coke, not fenty.
But he did not do this to stops the drugs, he did this so the price of oil could come down.
On the news, president Trump clearly mentions fentanyl as well coming through Venezuela and does not mention cocaine .
He evens goes so far to meet with President Xi of China to stop the delivery of chemicals to South America and the USA to create fentanyl.


And at least here fentanyl, is designated as a chemical weapon provided by drugs cartels :

Small excerpt from text :
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By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:
Section 1. Purpose and Policy. Illicit fentanyl is closer to a chemical weapon than a narcotic. Two milligrams, an almost undetectable trace amount equivalent to 10 to 15 grains of table salt, constitutes a lethal dose. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died from fentanyl overdoses.
The manufacture and distribution of fentanyl, primarily performed by organized criminal networks, threatens our national security and fuels lawlessness in our hemisphere and at our borders. The production and sale of fentanyl by Foreign Terrorist Organizations and cartels fund these entities’ operations — which include assassinations, terrorist acts, and insurgencies around the world — and allow these entities to erode our domestic security and the well-being of our Nation. The two cartels that are predominantly responsible for the distribution of fentanyl in the United States engage in armed conflict over territory and to protect their operations, resulting in large-scale violence and death that go beyond the immediate threat of fentanyl itself. Further, the potential for fentanyl to be weaponized for concentrated, large-scale terror attacks by organized adversaries is a serious threat to the United States.


As President of the United States, my highest duty is the defense of the country and its citizens. Accordingly, I hereby designate illicit fentanyl and its core precursor chemicals as Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

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@Amol S.
Of course the source of fentanyl is Mexico and the USA itself, as president Trump clearly mentions but he also mentioned Venezuela.
Companies from China ship the neccesary chemicals to produce fentanyl to Mexico and the USA.
He needed an excuse or perhaps some CIA lead pointed towards fentanyl production and shipping from Venezuela. CIA has used such methods before.

And he accuses the governor of Colorado having ties with the drug cartels and the government of Venezuela.
Since they caught 1.7 million fentanyl pills in Colorado.


 
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K1052

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It's good that oil is going down in the regards that Russia will have even more difficulty financing their economy, but from what I understand if the barrel price gets close to $50 or below, there will be a lot of US oil fields who have very little or no profit or even start loosing money.

This is why the active US rig count has declined by like 10% as the oil price has slid down over the same time period. Some fields aren't economical to drill at recent prices. I think this becomes true for everybody if it sinks much past $55. OPEC has been flooding the market with supply trying to put US frackers out of business again, though I'm skeptical it will work this time really.
 

eelw

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I really don’t get this picking sides point. Just because most of us are denouncing this illegal abduction, somehow we are supporting Maduro??? Just like the Israel/Hamas conflict. Because one sympathizes with Palestinians they get labeled a terrorist or a Zionist just by saying they understand Israel had to defend themselves. Maduro a terrible person or not, what right did the orange monkey have to order this? And look at the can of worms he’s open, ready to abduct other world leaders. The only point I will give to MAGAtards, if this thing happened to the orange monkey, we’d be cheering it
 

K1052

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Increasingly looks like the VZ Vice President outsourced her coup to a gullible old moron and an anti-Cuban nutcase who just wants VZ to stop sending them oil. The century of American humiliation is at hand.



Also Venezuelan expats who are happy about Maduro being gone the new regime is likely to be more competently repressive than the last because Maduro was also an idiot. Here ya go:



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It's good that oil is going down in the regards that Russia will have even more difficulty financing their economy, but from what I understand if the barrel price gets close to $50 or below, there will be a lot of US oil fields who have very little or no profit or even start loosing money.
Unless... Trump makes a cartel with Russia and screws Arabians countries big time
 

IronWing

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Venezuelans in America were dancing in the streets here in DFW as they may soon be able to return home to see loved ones now that freedom will soon return to their country. We did the right thing today and Venezuelans are grateful to America for liberating them. The only losers here will be the criminals benefiting from the former dictatorship. They will certainly try to hold on to whatever power they can grasp.


Here is the rest of the word celebrating:

Did you cut and paste your posts from the invasion of Iraq? The occupation of Afghanistan? Libya? Somalia? Vietnam? Grenada? Panama? El Salvador, Nicaragua? Cambodia? Iran? Indonesia? Can you point to a place where and time where the US toppling a government resulted in any positive change for the people of the country attacked?
 
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I know people who oppose removing Maduro will not watch this, but this video was made back in 2022 when Biden was trying to coddle Maduro for his oil by loosening sanctions in return for fair elections. To understand why Maduro first accepted the world's open hand at friendship then slapped it away, you have to understand the history of the Socialist Revolution.

For a time wealth was concentrated solely in hands of the upper class while the lower and middle class was mostly living in poverty. They finally swept a brash military man to power, Hugo Chavez and his incompetent young lacky "Nicholas Maduro", a former bus driver who would be no threat to Chavez. For a few years, the Socialist Revolution was a success and poverty was reduced from 70% to 7% (according to the video) however this would not last as they seized the oil fields from America and left no one capable of managing them properly.

It is a good video worth watching, that actually tries to show all sides:

The former oil minister Rafael Ramírez who was the head of the PDVSA national oil company would be a good choice to make oil minister once again.
When hearing him talking about the important subjects. How to diversify the industry in Venezuela to not just be dependent on oil, that is quite inspiring.
 
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Muse

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Just one of myriad excellent comments to the lead NYTimes story, which is, of course, about Trump's raid on Venezuela:

Of course, neither he, nor his cabal, have provided any evidence we’re now in control of Venezuela. In fact, Venezuela’s former-VP, now President, has already stated we are not. This sounds like a successful raid with no meaningful change for Venezuela or us. It’s another Trump ploy to take people’s focus off the Epstein Files and the horrendous damage he’s already caused to the United States and the world.