VC&G Community Poll Request (mod-sponsored)

[Teizo]

Seems silly. If you click the thread title and don't find the link provided worthy of your attention...exit the thread. No one forces you to post in any of the threads.

 

[WelshBloke]

Probably because this is targeted against him (not by the mods, but by others).

How is it targeted against him? Its for everyone in the forum.

 

[happy medium]

Probably because this is targeted against him (not by the mods, but by others).

I'm not the only source of the subject but certainly the last straw.

I'm not changing my thread title because another author of another article on the same site got a source wrong and corrected it later.
This stuff happends and not just on one site but many.

The title of my post was directly quoted from the first article linked. The article was not a "it could be", "it might be", "we think", "rumor has it", it was these are the specs for these peticular cards. Because an earlier article was made by a bad source from the same site, every link I posted suddenly became bogus.

When asked to change it, I told them I would not until the information was proven wrong or not true. If it was even unlikely true, I probrobly would have changed it but I felt the information was sound and its seems to be turning out I was right, so I'm glad I didn't.

For some reason every RED team member was calling me out and insulting me. I guess it was the context of the article that showed lower then exspected specs for the 69xx series and that it would not be faster then the nvidia gtx 5xx offerings. Suddenly every AMD slide was bogus, there were slower cards handed to the press, and every other PR spin was spun at me and I didn't budge.

I can only guess the mods got an earfull from RED team members and a whole slew of new recruits with a full day of registration time and decided to
changed the rules to please a few outspoken or wellspoken fanboys.

 

[happy medium]

Seems silly. If you click the thread title and don't find the link provided worthy of your attention...exit the thread. No one forces you to post in any of the threads.

Thats not how it works here at Anadtech.
You see that title gets cached into Google(I learned this from a red team members post) and suddenly the AMD/Nvidia PR is on you and discredits you and your source/links. When they get enough infractions they use a different name with a different e-mail /ip address from a account they made up 2,3, 4 years ago with 40 posts and mount post after post and attack you. They work in the backround with PM's and bait the crap out of you.

And no I will not give up my sources.

 

[Teizo]

Even if you put Fudzilla in the thread title, or whatever, people are still going to try to agitate the matter with the usual Atidiot/Nvidiot nonsense and cause disruption. I hardly see how putting the source of the link in the thread title will change anything at all.

Thats not how it works here at Anadtech.
You see that title gets cached into Google(I learned this from a red team members post) and suddenly the AMD/Nvidia PR is on you and discredits you and your source/links.

It is painfully obvious that there are several people getting compensated in some fashion for their posts, or it sure as heck seems that way.

 

[happy medium]

Even if you put Fudzilla in the thread title, or whatever, people are still going to try to agitate the matter with the usual Atidiot/Nvidiot nonsense and cause disruption. I hardly see how putting the source of the link in the thread title will change anything at all.

Plain and simple its a google cache PR thing. what other reason is there.

Why the sudden change after 11 years?





Stop posting. 12 out of the first 31 posts are from you.

We want to hear from the others. We see you dislike this method, fine.

Now stop.

Continue and I will vacation you


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Wreckage]

How is it targeted against him? Its for everyone in the forum.

Really? Look as his thread
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2126337

Look at all the moral outrage from certain people over his title.

Now if you look at some pro-AMD rumor sites like Chiphell and Semiaccurate.....

Suddenly there is no huge fuss. :hmm:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2107955
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2124737

 

[Teizo]

Plain and simple its a google cache PR thing. what other reason is there.

Why the sudden change after 11 years?

In other words, try to get rid of PR people then. Well, they aren't going any where. The meat of the threads are in the replies, and not in the titles...and as long as this forum continues to get the hits it does, they are going to be here.

 

[WelshBloke]

Really? Look as his thread
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2126337

Look at all the moral outrage from certain people over his title.

Now if you look at some pro-AMD rumor sites like Chiphell and Semiaccurate.....

Suddenly there is no huge fuss. :hmm:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2107955
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2124737

I'm fairly certain I remember lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth over a lot of SA links.

 

[WelshBloke]

Plain and simple its a google cache PR thing. what other reason is there.

Why the sudden change after 11 years?

So basically you don't want to put the truth in your thread title as youve got some strange scam to smear AMD?

Thats a bit ... odd, and obsessive.

 

[3DVagabond]

Thats not how it works here at Anadtech.
You see that title gets cached into Google(I learned this from a red team members post) and suddenly the AMD/Nvidia PR is on you and discredits you and your source/links. When they get enough infractions they use a different name with a different e-mail /ip address from a account they made up 2,3, 4 years ago with 40 posts and mount post after post and attack you. They work in the backround with PM's and bait the crap out of you.

And no I will not give up my sources.

That's an awful lot of baseless accusations. What makes you think AMD PR even knows who you are, never mind mount some campaign to conspire against you? That's got to be the most outrageous accusation I've ever heard. What do you think, AMD called a board meeting on a Saturday to get happy medium?

I can understand why you are against this. It is "apparently your post" that perpetuated this rule discussion. You get a vote like everyone else. Verbally screaming and kicking and throwing up a fuss is not a proper way to allow influencing policy, though.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I'd like to add that I'm not in favor of this because of any particular poster or any particular thread, I don't think I even read the thread that allegedly prompted this.

I've just been annoyed a few times over the last few months seeing a thread title that reads as if it's facts from an early leak, then I click in to find it's just an unsupported rumor. I think I've seen this for both AMD and nvidia cards.

What's the harm in being up front about your source being unreliable? Your thread numbers are probably higher if you trick people, but you've also wasted time for some of us, when we'd rather waste that time elsewhere.

 

[Mistwalker]

I'm in support of the change, more information + conciseness = better forum experience.

I do think posting rumors as fact "until the information is disproved" is a dangerous, backwards way of thinking because it removes accountability for all parties involved for distinguishing the two.

Will this discourage speculation and rumor-related discussions just because the threads are labeled as such? Perhaps a little, but come on...when has this forum ever lacked either? Really don't see that as a concern, and if after six months the rule is seen as detrimental, it can always be re-examined. Pretty hard to imagine VC&G becoming a dry ghost town due to this change though.

 

[96Firebird]

Leave it the way it was... Links get posted from all sorts of sites from all over the internet, in replies and it OPs. There's no sense in trying to put a source in a thread title, when a couple posts down someone else can post a link to a different source and the whole topic changes direction. If people can't enter a thread to see what it is about, their loss.

 

[Ashkael]

The problem comes when someone tries to pass off rumors as factual information.

If I see a thread titled "X, Y, and Z in new video card, says NVidia", I'm led to believe the info is accurate. So I click on the thread to find more, and turns out it's all from a rumor site. This is immensely annoying, especially now that we are getting close to a major video card release. You come to the forums seeking info, see a thread claiming to have factual data, click on it and it's all rumors and speculation.

I understand what some people are saying: you click on the thread, find out it's a rumor, move on and don't bother with the thread. Yes, I get that, but that still does NOT change the fact that it's ANNOYING to have to deal with this sort of misinformation, especially on the forums of a highly respected tech site like AT.

 

[busydude]

The problem comes when someone tries to pass off rumors as factual information.

I do think posting rumors as fact "until the information is disproved" is a dangerous, backwards way of thinking because it removes accountability for all parties involved for distinguishing the two.

This is my concern as well.. I don't understand why a few are against adding "rumor" or "a random website" to the titles.

 

[Will Robinson]

That's an awful lot of baseless accusations. What makes you think AMD PR even knows who you are, never mind mount some campaign to conspire against you? That's got to be the most outrageous accusation I've ever heard. What do you think, AMD called a board meeting on a Saturday to get happy medium?

I can understand why you are against this. It is "apparently your post" that perpetuated this rule discussion. You get a vote like everyone else. Verbally screaming and kicking and throwing up a fuss is not a proper way to allow influencing policy, though.

I agree,what the hell Happy?
Trying to sound like a martyr is uncalled for.
Lately you've been posting any rumor from any source and making up trolling threads left right and center.
No one is out to get you....if you didn't try and sound so triumphant every time a positive piece of of pro NVDA spin hits the Internet,no one would mind your excessive posting so much.
Why don't you just read some posts and make a few comments from time to time instead of trying to dominate the whole forum.
Only the a$$holes need to be banned and you aren't one of them.

 

[Skurge]

It takes what? 1 second to add S/A or FUDz or BSN to your thread title? Just do it and be considerate to people who don't want to read a thread about some of those sites. As one of the previous members, I come to this site with my phone and I don't want to waste time and money clicking on a thread like that.

 

[Keysplayr]

It lets me know at a glance if I want to click on the thread.

For instance if I see something like "Chiphell - GTX 595 pics/pricing", I'll probably click on it. Alternately, if I see something like "S/A (Charlie) - AMD to buy NVIDIA for pennies on the dollar!", I probably won't.

All due respect, Nitro, but you would click on either thread. The temptation would be too much for you not to. I say this because if you're anything like me, E.G. a human being, your curiosity will be sated by clicking on the link, especially when it costs nothing (except a minute or two) to do so.

All this BS about having descriptors/sources in a title means nothing. Everybody clicks on every thread. Just to make sure they aren't missing anything.
Descriptors/sources in thread topic is fine, but that won't stop anyone from clicking on them.

 

[NIGELG]

All due respect, Nitro, but you would click on either thread. The temptation would be too much for you not to. I say this because if you're anything like me, E.G. a human being, your curiosity will be sated by clicking on the link, especially when it costs nothing (except a minute or two) to do so.

All this BS about having descriptors/sources in a title means nothing. Everybody clicks on every thread. Just to make sure they aren't missing anything.
Descriptors/sources in thread topic is fine, but that won't stop anyone from clicking on them.

''everybody clicks on every thread''===NO.

 

[Aristotelian]

Everybody clicks on every thread. Just to make sure they aren't missing anything.
Descriptors/sources in thread topic is fine, but that won't stop anyone from clicking on them.

That's trivially shown to be false, so cannot possibly be an argument against including sources in the titles of threads.

Now this is going to be long, and parts of it are probably not going to be a popular read, but I'm approaching the stage of "last straw" myself so here goes nothing. Apologies for the following rant.

Obviously, I agree with the citation changes. Why?

1) A number of members pride themselves on their post counts (trying to claim that this entails they produce quality posts (rubbish!)) and also validate their debatable presence on this forum by the number of views their threads get.

2) You know what sort of person makes a thread for the sake of views/responses, right? Someone like a journalist, perhaps? Someone who gets paid to write thousands, and I mean thousands, of posts and threads supporting the positive brand propagation of a particular company across fora? The same sort of person who has stated on this very forum that he would be happy to receive an invite to a certain company's marketing group. I'd post the relevant quote here to seal the deal, as it were, but post histories only go back so far. Fortunately for me, my memory goes back farther.

3) These sorts of people obscure the very reason (I think) many people come to this forum. To learn about hardware in our spare time. Not to sift through posts that are equivalent to advertisements every few lines.

There are people on this forum who are not 'fanboys'. I'm not a fanboy. I post because I have spare time, and I'm motivated to clear up the (as I see it) marketing trash that sometimes plagues this forum. There are a number of really great posters spread across the hardware forums on this site (the CPU sub-forum is especially blessed, I think), but there are similar unbiased posters here in VC&G. Not everyone here is a fanboy for a video card company. Some of us pursue objectivity.

VC&G have good posters but the problem is a lot of the threads end up being debates between Marketers/spin doctors and people who, over hundreds of posts, end up trying to debate something very simple - to set things aright. Over time, frustration builds up (because some of these Marketers become deliberately obtuse), or just stop responding (to take up the same line of argument in another thread - a sort of spamming if you will).

I'm sorry for the rant, but I feel that it's on topic. If the goal is to have this forum be a fun place to have discussion, learn something, have a laugh, compare and contrast and what not - I'm all for it. But I personally think that the people who are obviously here to either get a job with a marketing agency (especially those who have said so!), or those who already have one, have been mollycoddled enough. And of the hardware forums I think VC&G is by far the most plagued with this rubbish.

 

[Keysplayr]

''everybody clicks on every thread''===NO.

Yes.. Ohhh yes. I'm sorry dude but you can't argue with human curiousity. One of the strongest charectaristics of us. Ever curious, even if only for a moment to discover that it doesn't really hold any interest.

 

[Keysplayr]

That's trivially shown to be false, so cannot possibly be an argument against including sources in the titles of threads.

Now this is going to be long, and parts of it are probably not going to be a popular read, but I'm approaching the stage of "last straw" myself so here goes nothing. Apologies for the following rant.

Obviously, I agree with the citation changes. Why?

1) A number of members pride themselves on their post counts (trying to claim that this entails they produce quality posts (rubbish!)) and also validate their debatable presence on this forum by the number of views their threads get.

2) You know what sort of person makes a thread for the sake of views/responses, right? Someone like a journalist, perhaps? Someone who gets paid to write thousands, and I mean thousands, of posts and threads supporting the positive brand propagation of a particular company across fora? The same sort of person who has stated on this very forum that he would be happy to receive an invite to a certain company's marketing group. I'd post the relevant quote here to seal the deal, as it were, but post histories only go back so far. Fortunately for me, my memory goes back farther.

3) These sorts of people obscure the very reason (I think) many people come to this forum. To learn about hardware in our spare time. Not to sift through posts that are equivalent to advertisements every few lines.

There are people on this forum who are not 'fanboys'. I'm not a fanboy. I post because I have spare time, and I'm motivated to clear up the (as I see it) marketing trash that sometimes plagues this forum. There are a number of really great posters spread across the hardware forums on this site (the CPU sub-forum is especially blessed, I think), but there are similar unbiased posters here in VC&G. Not everyone here is a fanboy for a video card company. Some of us pursue objectivity.

VC&G have good posters but the problem is a lot of the threads end up being debates between Marketers/spin doctors and people who, over hundreds of posts, end up trying to debate something very simple - to set things aright. Over time, frustration builds up (because some of these Marketers become deliberately obtuse), or just stop responding (to take up the same line of argument in another thread - a sort of spamming if you will).

I'm sorry for the rant, but I feel that it's on topic. If the goal is to have this forum be a fun place to have discussion, learn something, have a laugh, compare and contrast and what not - I'm all for it. But I personally think that the people who are obviously here to either get a job with a marketing agency (especially those who have said so!), or those who already have one, have been mollycoddled enough. And of the hardware forums I think VC&G is by far the most plagued with this rubbish.

You lost me at pride. From what I've seen in video lately, there is not much left to be proud of. Anyway, I've said my part as others have.
Toodles.

 

[NIGELG]

Yes.. Ohhh yes. I'm sorry dude but you can't argue with human curiousity. One of the strongest charectaristics of us. Ever curious, even if only for a moment to discover that it doesn't really hold any interest.

You cannot speak for everybody.I know personally that I don't click on every thread and I'm sure there are others who don't click on every thread.

 

[Aristotelian]

You lost me at pride. From what I've seen in video lately, there is not much left to be proud of. Anyway, I've said my part as others have.
Toodles.

I didn't lose you at all - we are in utter agreement. In fact, a number of posts that you have made (criticizing other members) are precisely what I am referring to.

If you want proof of the 'pride' I'm referring to, take a look at some of my previous infractions for calling people out on the "lol u got low post count QED ur post sux" mentality.