VC&G Community Poll Request (mod-sponsored)

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VC&G thread-title policy should be:

  • Require thread titles to cite the source of the info used in the thread title

  • No change in the current thread-title citation policy


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busydude

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It's the coordinated offensive in Happy's thread and the total absense of complaint from the same people when Silverforce11 did it.

Myself, tviceman and Bryan were against Silverforce's posting style.. when he posted few rumors as facts. I even called him out in one of the threads about a new driver release.
 
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Keysplayr

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Myself, tviceman and Bryan were against Silverforce's posting style.. when he posted few rumors as facts. I even called him out in one of the threads about a new driver release.

Not enough in comparison. Just forget it man.
 

Skurge

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Yeah, I don't see any valid reasons against the new rule.
 
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WelshBloke

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How about you appologize for posting false info like "the total absense of complaint from the same people when Silverforce11 did it."?

How many would you like in comparison?

OK you've made your point.

Please can we move on.

I'm assuming that no-one has any genuine objections to the new rule proposed as they haven't posted any real objections here.
 

Gloomy

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Yes.. Ohhh yes. I'm sorry dude but you can't argue with human curiousity. One of the strongest charectaristics of us. Ever curious, even if only for a moment to discover that it doesn't really hold any interest.

I don't click on every thread. I haven't even read all the stickys yet.
 

tannat

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Not enough in comparison. Just forget it man.

Are you against putting site reference in the title?

Why?

Sofar you'r arguments have degraded to false comparisons "coordinated offense v. total absense" and nonsense - "Everybody clicks all threads anyway".


It would be nice to see a rational argument if your're against the implementation.

(^ Everything above is legit to be in this thread.

Everything below should not be in this thread, this thread is not about the stuff you posted below. Please don't dwell on the topic you bring up below in this thread any further, this is not the proper venue. Take it to Moderator Discussions.

Moderator Idontcare)

You're even ignoring the fact that this poll is not first and foremost about happys refuse to change the title, even when moderators actually warned happy for doing what you do now.

OK, granted you will not get a warning, so you're free to continue. But you're making it so much harder for the moderator team by the borderline trolling, attacks and one-liners, which more or less sums up the posts I see from you.

Not many believes in the neutrality and fairness of the moderators of this site - see happys testing earlier in this thread and now yours.

You're personally undermining the authority of the moderator team by stretching the limits repeatedly.
 
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Absolution75

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Voted yes.


I really don't even see the point of discussing rumors though beyond the "oh, neat if true" aspect. Information gets more degraded the further down the news chain until it reaches the "Well I read xxxxxxx on a forum". To me it goes like this: Sites like SA/theinq make assumptions/guesses as to what will happen. They tend to draw some conclusions too. Then people on the forums make guesses conclusions based off those original guesses. Its the telephone game for GPU's and the information gets more and more distorted the further it gets from the [lack of] primary source.
 

tannat

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Voted yes.


I really don't even see the point of discussing rumors though beyond the "oh, neat if true" aspect. Information gets more degraded the further down the news chain until it reaches the "Well I read xxxxxxx on a forum". To me it goes like this: Sites like SA/theinq make assumptions/guesses as to what will happen. They tend to draw some conclusions too. Then people on the forums make guesses conclusions based off those original guesses. Its the telephone game for GPU's and the information gets more and more distorted the further it gets from the [lack of] primary source.

Agreed, and we should not blame them. It's how we handle the data. They claim not to be more than rumoursites. Granted, Charlie seem to have a fairly good understanding and often quite good sources. Fuad repeatedly show that he does not understand much at all and obviously are making up things as he get it wrong.

I enjoy reading the rumors and don't understand the unwillingness of people to openly treat them as rumors.

Heck, even S/As own forum-threads on their articles are usually more constructive and informed than the ones here, where obviously false statements and constructed arguments (which i consider trolling and thread derailment) rain freely...
 

Avalon

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I voted no, but just simply because it didn't really matter to me either way, so I could have just as easily voted yes. Won't mind either way what the outcome is. Seems fair enough.
 

SlowSpyder

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I voted in the poll for thread titles to contain the source. But, truth be told, I really am not sure how much it will help, but I do not believe it will hurt. The real problem I see in this subforum these days is the same problem we have in Politics and News. There is a 'left' and a 'right'. It is too difficult for many in these opposing parties to agree on an issue if it may somehow harm their preferred GPU maker. Anyway, I don't see how including the source in the title can possibly hurt.
 

Piano Man

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Honestly, this wouldn't have to be implemented if the community in this forum wasn't so out of control. People are posting and defending unsubstantiated claims because the community allows for it. The almost blind loyalty towards AMD and nV by a great deal of the members here is a shame, and its basically democrat vs republican but instead of blue v red its green v red. Because the $/fps ratio is very tight these days between chipset makers, obviously there will be disagreements, but like the P&N forums, these discussions devolve into 1-up-man-ship battles of ego, which for some reason are tolerated.

And, to be quite honest and blunt, there are forum moderators here with an obvious bias as well, which of course doesn't help the situation. But that's the site's fault for allowing those appointments to be made.

So, basically, it should probably be implemented, but its not going to fix anything. Its just more semantics to coverup the fact that this community has become more about arguing ones belief rather than fact.
 

bryanW1995

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This is a big problem for members like Silverforce11 who when asked to provide links to countless threads by him, he refuses to do so. He may not be able to post here anymore. IMHO it sux for him.

he has toned down his rhetoric since he got all that 68x0 egg on his face. however, you are correct that people who post BS and can't/won't back up their sources won't get much traction now.

obviously you guys will need to use reasonable judgement, however. if somebody claims info, then when he is asked to back it up he says "my buddy at a board partner told me" that could easily go in the title, right? or, if he completely refused to divulge the requested info then the thread would get locked. also, my understanding is that this is only for the first post in the thread, not every single post. so I could post "according to BSN, 6970 is 880 core, 1536 sp, 91% of gtx 580" and you could respond with the 2nd post and say "bryan, that's bs, I know for a fact that 6970 will be 872 core, 1664 sp, and 87% of gtx 580". you might get some abuse for that post, but since it's not a thread title you could make up anything you wanted. Silverforce (and many others) might have posted opinions as facts, but in general most people who have done that prefer to do it inside threads instead of starting their own. for one thing, it's much easier to find it if you put that sort of info in a thread title then it turns out to be wrong... think of all the fun some of the fanboys from both camps would have with that!



For the record this is simply not true.



The motivation for the poll is/was the fact that it appears to be a reoccuring concern within the community.

If this perception is legitimate then we moderators would be failing to discharge our fiducial responsibilities to the community by ignoring the situation and failing to take action.

This poll accomplishes all of the above. It will determine whether or not the perception of a community-wide issue of source-citation is real or imagined on behalf of the mods as well as establish the specific method of a guideline implementation as well as its enforcement thereof.



The spirit of your statement is captured in the proposed enforcement section IMO, which means we are already seeing eye-to-eye on the topic in this area.

If the community votes to adopt the guideline provision then I personally don't see myself attempting to enforce the provision to any greater extent than what you outlined in your quoted statement above.

Moderator Idontcare

ok, sorry, just thought it was obvious that happy had recently done this exact thing multiple times, as evidenced by his clear consternation regarding this thread's existence.

Looks like a very large majority thinks that "tell us where you heard the info" is the way to go.

A guy who's made 3 threads, one of which was about 3D Mark 11 with download link, and 2 of which were on AMD graphics cards and included links to his sources, is going to have a problem? Clearly you are just personally attacking a member and his posts.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2121973&highlight= (first line = source)
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2100974&highlight= (first line = source)
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2125717&highlight= (first line = source)

Most of his claims are made within threads created by other people. He'd have no problem with this rule, since it wouldn't impact his posting within threads.
Also, making claims without backing them up with links is something which a number of users do, not just Silverforce11.

I think the issue at hand is misrepresenting stuff as "fact" when it may come from a disreputable site. Silverforce11 in his created threads has not done that.

first of all: ninja'd!

2nd of all: no need to freak out, keys wasn't attacking anybody, silverforce DID spend a lot of time presenting his opinion as a fact. now, I think it's highly likely that he does have a source(s) for his info, and he wasn't the only person put together by amd with 68x0's launch, but his info was wrong. Silverforce doesn't post like that any more, and he's become a good forum member imho, so this new issue won't affect him at all.
 
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bryanW1995

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He has? I still see him posting "information" on unreleased products with zero links to back him up.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30907384&postcount=255

If I post that it's a nice day outside certain people will hound me for a link to the weather, pictures and at least 5 other people also saying it's nice out. o_O

that's because, much like a weatherman, you often give us bad info that leads us to go to the beach instead of the storm shelter. ;)
 

bryanW1995

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May 22, 2007
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Oh, it's not that at all. It's the coordinated offensive in Happy's thread and the total absense of complaint from the same people when Silverforce11 did it.

My point?

Selective complaining. All those who pounced on Happy Mediums thread, said NADA when Silverforce11 started, and KEPT ON posting what seemed to be factual information with NO links to back it up. The same people that gnashed their teeth at Happys thread, should have felt the same way about SF11's threads. But...... did..... not......

I don't suppose that speaks to you in any way?

not true with me, I actually got a warning regarding both silverforce AND happy.
 

ronnn

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This is a big problem for members like Silverforce11 who when asked to provide links to countless threads by him, he refuses to do so. He may not be able to post here anymore. IMHO it sux for him.


Worth it to me if we can get rid of some of these personal call outs.
 

Concillian

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May 26, 2004
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To be honest, all the "post police" have kinda driven me away from this forum.

Rumor, fact, nvidia slant, AMD slant, whatever, it's the internet... people should KNOW not to believe everything you read on the internet.

Rules and regulations on posting is not what the video forum needs. There are already quite a few "regulars" with reasonably strong and long standing conflicts that is off-putting to new posters. Add in rules on what can be posted how, and it's going to further reduce the new blood that forums like this should be about providing help to.

I strongly disagree with any required modifiers on the posts.
 

GaiaHunter

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I think if a thread title uses a sentence (or quite similar) from a source that will be the content discussed in that thread the source is as important as the information contained by it.

If however that is official confirmation by relevant key persons you don't need to say the link is fron FUD or Charlie or whatever - just point to the official source "AMD said" or "NVIDIA CTO said".

Rumour might as well be a decent substitute to a source (if there is no official source identified).

This should avoid the countless posts about who the source is and how credible it is.
 

railven

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Oh, it's not that at all. It's the coordinated offensive in Happy's thread and the total absense of complaint from the same people when Silverforce11 did it.

My point?

Selective complaining. All those who pounced on Happy Mediums thread, said NADA when Silverforce11 started, and KEPT ON posting what seemed to be factual information with NO links to back it up. The same people that gnashed their teeth at Happys thread, should have felt the same way about SF11's threads. But...... did..... not......

I don't suppose that speaks to you in any way?

It is selective complaining. I recall a poster here reading a story on FUD about nVidia raising prices on GTX 460/470's a week or two after the HD 68xx's came out to which he posted his annoyance because he was looking forward to a Black Friday deal.

I recall you were one of the vocal complainers telling him to change his thread name, accusing him of misleading and spreading FUD and when you were asked for your sources you simply said something like "look at my signature."

So, yes it is selective complaining - so very true.
 

waffleironhead

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I dont see anything wrong with adding the source of the article or information in the thread title, this was pretty commonplace before the forum switch to VB. Man I miss those subtitles.

Something that would be more benificial IMO would be to require the OP to comment on what they think of the article/link/whatever that they are posting, much like P&N.
 

exar333

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I dont see anything wrong with adding the source of the article or information in the thread title, this was pretty commonplace before the forum switch to VB. Man I miss those subtitles.

Something that would be more benificial IMO would be to require the OP to comment on what they think of the article/link/whatever that they are posting, much like P&N.

I agree 100%

If you posting something with a source, reference it. If it is pure conjecture (which is fine) say so. If you have a source, and cannot name it, then say that instead.

I definitely support these changes, as long as we handle them reasonably. Don't pounce on some new poster because he didn't link his title exactly right; be respectful. Simple respect gets you a long way in many areas of life. :)
 

WelshBloke

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..be respectful. Simple respect gets you a long way in many areas of life. :)


Sorry, I just wanted to quote that.

It would solve most of the problems in this forum and make the mods lives easier.

So, well said and :thumbsup:
 

Idontcare

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The community poll has closed for voting, the final tabulation of results are that 71% of the community approves of adopting a guideline amendment requiring the citation of 3rd-party sources for the information contained in a thread's title.

An amendment to the posted VC&G posting guidelines will be forthcoming.

Am unstickying and closing this thread at this time.

Moderator Idontcare
 

Idontcare

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Oct 10, 1999
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We cannot comment on the results of the poll until the poll is finished, right?

Unlocking to allow comments on poll results. Please everyone keep your dialogue civil and respectful in accordance with posting guidelines.

(note an amendment is being drafted at this moment for insertion into the VC&G posting guidelines, it isn't there yet so don't look for it just yet)

Moderator Idontcare
 
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