valve looks to take advantage

[videogames101]

They do. The games that are being modded are often their creations. They also make paid expansions and DLC for said games.Now they are letting the community get in on the action. Hell, they've even bought mods and hired their creators, like Team Fortress Classic (originally a Quake mod) and Narbacular Drop (became Portal).

Your examples are good, except that they are more than 8 years old now. Valve hasn't actually created any artistic content in over 8 years. This is why it's so concerning for me anyway.

 

[norseamd]

What is the issue, seriously? You can't expect free shit in life. If it wasn't this, it would be a slew of ads for things outside of their own store. Do you want pop-up ads for virus scanners and items you've looked at on Amazon?

Ads are how other free services typically provide the service. That, or you trade a ton of tracking on you so they can sell info to ad services.

They can run the service just fine due to the store income, but, why should you get a free service when others have paid to support it? So, they could offer you an ad-based service for you, or have you pay into their store to keep the free service. I think they've chosen the best route, because it also hurts spammers.

The issue is transparency. If they feel that you need to pay to use most of their services then they can say so. They have not yet done that as far as I am aware on their press releases and official comments.

 

[Puppies04]

Entitles you or gives you? If all Valve promises us is some type of service without any guarantees about how good of service and how long of service regardless of how much money you spend with Valve are we wrong to think about if that is fair to us? Because if Valve holds all the cards when it comes to power and decisions then I guess we need say they have the right to do whatever they want and no criticism or dissent is valid at all?

WTF???? Did steam kill your puppy or something. What are you actually complaining about here because it seems like random gibberish now.

If I could be bothered I would make a thread about how apple are bastards because they won't let me use their operating systems without buying their products.

Surely I am entitled to use their locked down restricted OS on my non apple phone which would enable me to let them keep robbing 40% from each and every app sale.

 

[Phoenix86]

Time and again you guys are willing to be ignorant on the real concern about that shit. This might as well get moved to P&N because it already has the same type of attitudes and chatter as P&N has for substance.

Because you're not making a coherent case. You have spent more time telling we don't get it than trying to explain why it's an actual issue anyone should give a damn about.

I boiled it down to a simple question, and you couldn't even answer it coherently. Twice.

 

[norseamd]

I boiled it down to a simple question, and you couldn't even answer it coherently. Twice.

Link me the question.

 

[CPA]

And you have any proof of what you are supporting?

Do you? lol

 

[Ns1]

this is like the 2015 version of wounded monitor children.

 

[Phoenix86]

Link me the question.

Basically, why are you expecting services from a company you aren't paying?

 

[norseamd]

Basically, why are you expecting services from a company you aren't paying?

That has more to do with the fact that they support the free to play model and also put themselves off as benevolent overlords of nerds and shit. Also if they have the right to do this because of money than why are they not being transparent about it?

 

[CZroe]

Your examples are good, except that they are more than 8 years old now. Valve hasn't actually created any artistic content in over 8 years. This is why it's so concerning for me anyway.

Portal 2? L4D? L4D2? All the DLC and expansion content for those?

 

[norseamd]

L4D? L4D2?

You know from what I understand many were not impressed at all with Valve in how they supported LFD and went right to producing sequels.

 

[CZroe]

You know from what I understand many were not impressed at all with Valve in how they supported LFD and went right to producing sequels.

Not the point. They sold extremely well and have huge fan bases of their own. They continued to produce and sell new, original, creative content and not simply ride off the community's work. I would have preferred Half-Life 2: Episode 3 or Half-Life 3 too, but I don't ignore reality just because it wasn't what I wanted. My guess is that you are talking about DLC for L4D, but why would they need to keep making DLC if they are ready to make and entirely new game?

 

[norseamd]

Like?

 

[norseamd]

My guess is that you are talking about DLC for L4D, but why would they need to keep making DLC if they are ready to make and entirely new game?

Do you need me to spell this one out for you?

 

[Ichinisan]

The issue is transparency. If they feel that you need to pay to use most of their services then they can say so. They have not yet done that as far as I am aware on their press releases and official comments.

They *did* say so. That's exactly what has you all worked up.

 

[CZroe]

Do you need me to spell this one out for you?

LOL! NO.

Like I already said: It's not the point.

 

[waffleironhead]

Do you need me to spell this one out for you?

Please do. Then maybe we will have the first substantive post from you in this thread.
So far its been vague "Valve is bad" because you dont trust them type posts.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Your examples are good, except that they are more than 8 years old now. Valve hasn't actually created any artistic content in over 8 years. This is why it's so concerning for me anyway.

What is "artistic content?" For fun per dollar nothing in over a decade matches CS:Go for me personally.

 

[norseamd]

That has to do with the fact they already paid for the game and were still enjoying it and waiting for Valve to "take their money" with new DLC and then Valve goes and drops support for that game and now they have to buy another full game if they want anymore content and even then it is probably going to be just some redo of the content from the first game so they also still have to pay for any DLC for the 2nd game if they want more content outside of the base campaign.

 

[Red Storm]

What is "artistic content?" For fun per dollar nothing in over a decade matches CS:Go for me personally.

Or TF2 for me. Still playing the game since beta. Very few games get played that long.

 

[CZroe]

That has to do with the fact they already paid for the game and were still enjoying it and waiting for Valve to "take their money" with new DLC and then Valve goes and drops support for that game and now they have to buy another full game if they want anymore content and even then it is probably going to be just some redo of the content from the first game so they also still have to pay for any DLC for the 2nd game if they want more content outside of the base campaign.

LOL! New game = new content. The only way they could be upset is if they promised more free content for L4D and didn't deliver any so they could incorporate it into the sequel, but you already said that people wanted to pay for it.

Go ahead. What's stopping them?!

 

[leper84]

What a crybaby. Just face the fact that Valve is a business, Steam is a service and you are absolutely irrelevant to them because you don't spend any money; which makes you a non-customer. Grow up and get a job dude.

 

[waffleironhead]

this is like the 2015 version of wounded monitor children.

But without the wounded or the monitor.

 

[videogames101]

What is "artistic content?" For fun per dollar nothing in over a decade matches CS:Go for me personally.

CS:GO is hidden path, mate

 

[videogames101]

Portal 2? L4D? L4D2? All the DLC and expansion content for those?

L4D2 was 2009 dude

4 years if you count Portal 2