Valve dropped the ball with Counter-Strike

[GodlessAstronomer]

Don't thread crap in here then? CS obviously caters to a different market then other shooters.

As I said before, CS used to appeal to me too, a lot. All I'm saying is there's no point in making exactly the same game again. It's time for an overhaul - maintain the themes and feeling of the original game, but give us something new.

 

[Sureshot324]

CS is a lot of things to a lot of different people. I never cared for having to buy weapons, I am more of a gun games/deathmatch kind of person.

You say CS should never change, while other games pass CS up and dominate the market.

Where is the CS answer to call of duty? What about black ops? Or even left 4 dead?

As for chess, yes, its been around for maybe a thousand years and has never changed, but the world has changed.

Why would CS need an answer to those games? COD certainly makes more money than CS, since there's a new $60 game every year, but in terms of number of people playing, CS dominates. Look at Steam stats. There are about 3x more people playing CS than COD.

I predict that in 5 years, the COD franchise will be dead, but CS will still be going strong.

 

[Dumac]

What the fuck is it with PC gamers these days? Every time someone can't be bothered putting together a cogent argument they just say "just play CoD lolz". I'm not going to have a discussion with an idiot like you.

Nice deflection of the question. You just want a reason to complain, don't you. :sneaky:

 

[happy medium]

CS is as much stratagy as it is a shooter, I give two thumbs up for the same gameplay with updated graphics, sometime the same old same old is a good thing

Amen!

 

[Destiny]

At the end of the day... because of the popularity of CS - COD, MOH, BF, Crysis...etc are all spawned varations of it... so for every one backing up their favorite FPS... they all owe the thanks to the original CS and the numerous lan parties that started it all...

 

[Texashiker]

Why would CS need an answer to those games?

Its called "losing market share".

 

[Sureshot324]

Its called "losing market share".

But it's not losing market share. It's still selling quite well because the huge existing player base brings in new players.

 

[Texashiker]

But it's not losing market share. It's still selling quite well because the huge existing player base brings in new players.

My daughter, nephew and my youngest son, their ages range from 14 - 17. When they talk about games, CS is never mentioned. What games do they talk about? Call of duty and Halo.

My wifes best friends son, he is 16. What games does he talk about? Black ops, call of duty, and halo.

Even though my son and daughter have their own steam accounts, they know halo better then CS.

Where are the CS commercials on TV? But I see all kinds of other TV commercials for other games.

 

[Sureshot324]

My daughter, nephew and my youngest son, their ages range from 14 - 17. When they talk about games, CS is never mentioned. What games do they talk about? Call of duty and Halo.

My wifes best friends son, he is 16. What games does he talk about? Black ops, call of duty, and halo.

Even though my son and daughter have their own steam accounts, they know halo better then CS.

Where are the CS commercials on TV? But I see all kinds of other TV commercials for other games.

Go to steam and look at the top sellers. CSS is #3 and CS 1.6 is #6. I'm sure Activision makes more money selling the latest COD at $60, but Valve has decided to preserve the integrity of the game by not releasing a new version every year.

 

[sandorski]

My daughter, nephew and my youngest son, their ages range from 14 - 17. When they talk about games, CS is never mentioned. What games do they talk about? Call of duty and Halo.

My wifes best friends son, he is 16. What games does he talk about? Black ops, call of duty, and halo.

Even though my son and daughter have their own steam accounts, they know halo better then CS.

Where are the CS commercials on TV? But I see all kinds of other TV commercials for other games.

That just proves your Parenting and Uncling Fail. Congrats. :thumbsup:

 

[Genx87]

I thought the only skill one needed in CSS was acquiring the most grotesque picture of some sexual or bodily act for your spray paint?

 

[sandorski]

I thought the only skill one needed in CSS was acquiring the most grotesque picture of some sexual or bodily act for your spray paint?

That helps. :biggrin:

 

[AstroManLuca]

My god. COD kiddies already have their game, it's called COD. I wish developers would quit trying to emulate COD, they're not going to gain their audience. Activision will release a new COD rehash every single year and it'll sell a bazillion copies. Other games will have to succeed by NOT being COD.

In terms of console shooters, before COD became the mainstay, what was the big one? Halo. COD succeeded by being different. If something else is going to take over as the new blockbuster 10-million-selling shooter, it's going to have to buck the trend, not follow it, because following the COD model means you'll only ever be second best.

Counter-Strike is fine how it is. Valve is going to be making minor changes that will not unbalance the game. There is no need for regenerating health, kill streaks, iron sights, or BLOODY SCREEN SO REAL. Oh and iron sights already exist in the game, it's called "the crouch function." Has the same overall effect - lowers movement speed, increases accuracy.

If you like CS, you shouldn't want it to change too drastically. If you don't, then why even bother? Just stick with your casual baby console shooters like COD.

 

[blckgrffn]

That just proves your Parenting and Uncling Fail. Congrats. :thumbsup:

I LOL'd. IRL.

*Takes notes on being a successful father and uncle...*

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Dumac brings up a very important point about the difference between cs pubs and competitive play. Dust2 32 person 16k clusterfucks is not really how cs is meant to be played. If you ever get the chance to do 5v5 scrimage in a clan setting, that is where cs really shines. The teamwork, speed, and skill comes together to make a very rewarding and addictive gaming experience. I miss my old clan and would love to get involved with one again.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

CS:GO is also supposed to cater towards the competitive scene. Can't really make too much money in 1.6 and Source in the US anymore.

 

[Stringjam]

Oh and iron sights already exist in the game, it's called "the crouch function." Has the same overall effect - lowers movement speed, increases accuracy.

Crouching has nothing to do with looking down the sights of a weapon. Iron-sights are about taking a step forward in realism.

To those of us that actually do like shooting real firearms, the CS gun-handling mechanic is very fake and unrewarding in that sense.

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying here...because I'm not saying your game is "bad," but it is tiring listening to CS guys go on and on about how great CS "gunplay" is when it is in fact about as arcade as it gets.

I don't want to come off with Crysis fanboyism here, but the amount of effort and detail that CryTek put into the weapon mechanics of their game is amazing. When you aim a real rifle, and rotate your arms or body, you'll notice that the forward sight actually shifts to the inside or outside edge of the rear sight. You can actually see this intricate movement (and see it's effect on aim) when moving while sighted in Crysis. THAT is cool, and it is obvious that they had some actual firearm expert input for their mechanics development.

But I'm not saying that CS should be about that. I don't care if they change the gunplay or not, because like I stated earlier, Valve should listen to what the CS fanbase wants, and that's obviously what they want. More power to you all.

I only take issue with the condescending attitude that a lot of CS guys have with the whole "CS gunplay is perfect" thing. CS isn't the only FPS out there that requires skill.

 

[Sureshot324]

What I would really love to see in CS:GO is a matchmaking system similar to League of Legends. You enter the queue and it creates a 5v5 match against similarly skilled players in the same region. It then finds a server that pings well for everyone, which will then be locked until the match concludes. Your skill rating changes depending on whether you win or lose. There are penalties for quitting early but if someone does leave the matchmaking system can find a replacement player.

This would all be optional of course and you could still play the traditional way where you just join a random server.

 

[Ben90]

Dumac brings up a very important point about the difference between cs pubs and competitive play. Dust2 32 person 16k clusterfucks is not really how cs is meant to be played. If you ever get the chance to do 5v5 scrimage in a clan setting, that is where cs really shines. The teamwork, speed, and skill comes together to make a very rewarding and addictive gaming experience. I miss my old clan and would love to get involved with one again.

Honestly, this. You haven't played CS:S until you experience it with a team that you know.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Crouching has nothing to do with looking down the sights of a weapon. Iron-sights are about taking a step forward in realism.

To those of us that actually do like shooting real firearms, the CS gun-handling mechanic is very fake and unrewarding in that sense.

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying here...because I'm not saying your game is "bad," but it is tiring listening to CS guys go on and on about how great CS "gunplay" is when it is in fact about as arcade as it gets.

I don't want to come off with Crysis fanboyism here, but the amount of effort and detail that CryTek put into the weapon mechanics of their game is amazing. When you aim a real rifle, and rotate your arms or body, you'll notice that the forward sight actually shifts to the inside or outside edge of the rear sight. You can actually see this intricate movement (and see it's effect on aim) when moving while sighted in Crysis. THAT is cool, and it is obvious that they had some actual firearm expert input for their mechanics development.

But I'm not saying that CS should be about that. I don't care if they change the gunplay or not, because like I stated earlier, Valve should listen to what the CS fanbase wants, and that's obviously what they want. More power to you all.

I only take issue with the condescending attitude that a lot of CS guys have with the whole "CS gunplay is perfect" thing. CS isn't the only FPS out there that requires skill.

I guess it's not iron sights I'm opposed to per se, it's what they represent - a move towards COD-like gameplay. Which is exactly what CS:GO does NOT need. But I know Valve knows this. They'll make it a competitive game that doesn't exclusively reward camping and other cheap tactics.

 

[nerp]

CS:S is the best game ever and I play it all the time. CS:GO looks like a nice evolution of the game. As long as the physics and nuances of the games are left intact, I'll be all for it. I don't need insane graphics. That's why I still love CS:S.

 

[motsm]

Where are the CS commercials on TV? But I see all kinds of other TV commercials for other games.

TV commercials for PC exclusives are almost unheard of these days. I think Star Craft II had one, and that was the first I had seen in years.

 

[ICXRa]

Maybe valvE didn't want to recreate a generic shooter every year?

haha...I despise companies that do this, it's like the CoD franchise became Madden! I was finished with them after the first MW. I'd rather play CS 1.6!

To each his own.

 

[PrayForDeath]

CS:S is the best game ever and I play it all the time. CS:GO looks like a nice evolution of the game. As long as the physics and nuances of the games are left intact, I'll be all for it. I don't need insane graphics. That's why I still love CS:S.

The question is, what would entice you to buy CS:GO if the "physics and nuances" are left intact? Why would you stop playing CS:S and buy CS:GO? (especially if you don't care about the graphics)

 

[AstroManLuca]

The question is, what would entice you to buy CS:GO if the "physics and nuances" are left intact? Why would you stop playing CS:S and buy CS:GO? (especially if you don't care about the graphics)

I'm guessing the same reason many people switched from CS to CS:S? Even if you're not a graphics whore, 1.6 looks very dated. A new engine can help and it promises to include some minor changes that should make the game more interesting and slightly different without changing the core components.

If nothing else, many people will get it simply to get into the new community.