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USA: 60% think that "god created earth" is science
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LordMaul
If you would have read the thread then you would have read alot of proof of evolution.
Engine
No single person, I´v not said like "GUTB you are a stupid bitch", I´v never said anthing about one single person. I´v said things like humans are egocentric bastards, but that is just a group.
If you would have read the thread then you would have read alot of proof of evolution.
Engine
No single person, I´v not said like "GUTB you are a stupid bitch", I´v never said anthing about one single person. I´v said things like humans are egocentric bastards, but that is just a group.
Great. Now were the laughing stock of the world because all our Christians carry guns and because they believe in very outdated ideas? great.
I don't think anyone believes the US is as monogenous as that, DRGrim.
Afterall the US is one of the most multicultural places on earth.
But relatively speaking it does seem that the US is about the only place where creationism still has a toehold (that is amongst modern educated peoples - maybe some of the animalists in Africa have their own creationism theories).
I don't think anyone believes the US is as monogenous as that, DRGrim.
Afterall the US is one of the most multicultural places on earth.
But relatively speaking it does seem that the US is about the only place where creationism still has a toehold (that is amongst modern educated peoples - maybe some of the animalists in Africa have their own creationism theories).
Napalm:
"DNA similarities and differences between different species do support the theory of evolution. "
Well... yeah. The genetic makeup of any given species is always in flux. Evolution is occurring all the time. Still, this is not a compelling argument to me that man evolved from a lower species. You're right, DNA evidence "cannot be refuted", as you put. Neither does it prove anything one way or the other.
Czar:
It's the same thing, in my book. Attacking a group of people is no better than attacking a person... especially if you're not part of that group.
"DNA similarities and differences between different species do support the theory of evolution. "
Well... yeah. The genetic makeup of any given species is always in flux. Evolution is occurring all the time. Still, this is not a compelling argument to me that man evolved from a lower species. You're right, DNA evidence "cannot be refuted", as you put. Neither does it prove anything one way or the other.
Czar:
It's the same thing, in my book. Attacking a group of people is no better than attacking a person... especially if you're not part of that group.
LordMaul, you should definately go to #warez. Those twelve year old pathetic "hacker" wannabies will match your chatting abilities and could prove to be your fav chat mates. We gave plenty of proof on evolution, if you choose to ignore it that is your problem.
Athanasius, while there are parallels no reasonable person with an IQ >80 will think its possible for the earth to go from nothing, to a planet with calm, steady climate and millions of species of organisms in six days.
and yet, no one has answered me. If god (the christian god mind you) created man in his own image, then why the hell are people so different?
Athanasius, while there are parallels no reasonable person with an IQ >80 will think its possible for the earth to go from nothing, to a planet with calm, steady climate and millions of species of organisms in six days.
and yet, no one has answered me. If god (the christian god mind you) created man in his own image, then why the hell are people so different?
Engine
Some people take it like that, but I dont. When people bash Iceland, I dont care, unless there is no base behind it. When I judge a group I always give a logical explination to it, like with this story. I´m sorry if people take it like I´m attacking them personaly, I´ll try to keep it to the minimum.
Some people take it like that, but I dont. When people bash Iceland, I dont care, unless there is no base behind it. When I judge a group I always give a logical explination to it, like with this story. I´m sorry if people take it like I´m attacking them personaly, I´ll try to keep it to the minimum.
Preyhunter
Golden Member
Pyro,
I didn't realize that people were so different. About the only difference physically is skin pigment and height/weight differences, among other things which are minor. It's not like some have 4 legs, some have 2, some have 5 eyes. If we did, it would probably better support your evolution theories.
I didn't realize that people were so different. About the only difference physically is skin pigment and height/weight differences, among other things which are minor. It's not like some have 4 legs, some have 2, some have 5 eyes. If we did, it would probably better support your evolution theories.
Science is constantly proving its own theories and will never state that one theory is the only real one.
Religion, on the other hand, never proves its own theories and is always stating that its theories are the only right ones.
Religion has never made any progress by itself, only by help from outsiders (read: science) it developed some more modern ideas.
There is not one Christian belief. There are thousands of them. It took less than thousand year to make the Christian belief fall apart into seperate churches, all with their own ideas, due to disagreements.
Evolution is still being backed up by more evidence. For Creation, however, hasn't been found any real evidence.
BTW did anyone notice how agressive some Christians in this thread reacted when some people started to question Creation? I think that this is caused by lack of evidence on their site. Without quoting from the bible, they don't have much to support their view, it appears.
In case you didn't know it: the most believers in Creation live in the USA.
Religion, on the other hand, never proves its own theories and is always stating that its theories are the only right ones.
Religion has never made any progress by itself, only by help from outsiders (read: science) it developed some more modern ideas.
There is not one Christian belief. There are thousands of them. It took less than thousand year to make the Christian belief fall apart into seperate churches, all with their own ideas, due to disagreements.
Evolution is still being backed up by more evidence. For Creation, however, hasn't been found any real evidence.
BTW did anyone notice how agressive some Christians in this thread reacted when some people started to question Creation? I think that this is caused by lack of evidence on their site. Without quoting from the bible, they don't have much to support their view, it appears.
In case you didn't know it: the most believers in Creation live in the USA.
>>If god (the christian god mind you) created man in his own image, then why the hell are people so different?
By "in his own image" the bible isn't referring to the way we look. As far as I understand, it's referring to our souls. The part of ourselves that transcends our physical being... and stuff 😛
By "in his own image" the bible isn't referring to the way we look. As far as I understand, it's referring to our souls. The part of ourselves that transcends our physical being... and stuff 😛
Athanasius
Senior member
Pyro:
The time required for God_If_He_exists (I obviously believe He does) is irrelevant. Whether it was six days or 14 billion years doesn't change the core question of whether you believe in Mind or Matter as the First Cause.
As far as how people can be so different, your earlier posts seem to emphasize externals, like skin color. Even from a purely physical perspective, such DNA differences are negligible. SInce natural breeding and conception is possible between the different ethnic groups, you can rest assured that there is a substantial core DNA match. We are the same, with only minute differences. A few generations of selective breeding could reproduce those differences; thousands (or millions) of years of random migrations and environmental factors and pairing off within close cultural ties can easily account for them without even bringing in the Bible or Theism or Evolution.
As far as "being in the image of God", that doesn't apply to externals at all. It means what Christian theologians have taught for hundreds of years: Humanity is a "rationale animal". He is a physical animal, but unique: humanity has a rational/spiritual component. He imagines, because God has a great imagination; he thinks, because God is a great thinker, he reasons, because God has Eternal Reason (the Word) within Himself, he loves (sometimes) because God has a great heart.
The time required for God_If_He_exists (I obviously believe He does) is irrelevant. Whether it was six days or 14 billion years doesn't change the core question of whether you believe in Mind or Matter as the First Cause.
As far as how people can be so different, your earlier posts seem to emphasize externals, like skin color. Even from a purely physical perspective, such DNA differences are negligible. SInce natural breeding and conception is possible between the different ethnic groups, you can rest assured that there is a substantial core DNA match. We are the same, with only minute differences. A few generations of selective breeding could reproduce those differences; thousands (or millions) of years of random migrations and environmental factors and pairing off within close cultural ties can easily account for them without even bringing in the Bible or Theism or Evolution.
As far as "being in the image of God", that doesn't apply to externals at all. It means what Christian theologians have taught for hundreds of years: Humanity is a "rationale animal". He is a physical animal, but unique: humanity has a rational/spiritual component. He imagines, because God has a great imagination; he thinks, because God is a great thinker, he reasons, because God has Eternal Reason (the Word) within Himself, he loves (sometimes) because God has a great heart.
<sigh>
You know what, never mind. I don't know why I even bothered adding my two cents. Go on thinking that people who believe in God and creation are somehow intellectually inferior to you, if that's what gets you through the day. Go on thinking that the United States is filled with nothing but a bunch of ass-backwards hilljacks, too. If doing all that makes you feel like more of a person, then be my guest.
(And BTW, this isn't really addressed to any one person.)
You know what, never mind. I don't know why I even bothered adding my two cents. Go on thinking that people who believe in God and creation are somehow intellectually inferior to you, if that's what gets you through the day. Go on thinking that the United States is filled with nothing but a bunch of ass-backwards hilljacks, too. If doing all that makes you feel like more of a person, then be my guest.
(And BTW, this isn't really addressed to any one person.)
JeffreyLebowski
Lifer
I'm not even going to read through all of these post. This might have been said already but the reason people believe in crap like the bible or creationism(if that means god created something out of nothing) is because they are SHEEP and can not think rationaly.
I post this question if god created the universe, then what created god?
I expect to hear bible thumper answers.
I post this question if god created the universe, then what created god?
I expect to hear bible thumper answers.
I can't help it... hehe
<<Whitedog, you wanna asnwer my question above? if we all came form two people, and we did not evolve, then why are we so different? (ie, black people, asian people, white people, inuit people and so on). Are you gonna try and tell us black people and asian people dont exist? That they are something 'evolutioninsts' created to debunk creation? >>
Pyro,
The bible doesn't state directly about changing physical appearences, but then again as I've stated, you can't limit God.
Genesis 11
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
2 As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.
4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.
6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
9 That is why it was called Babel --because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
Perhaps this is where Evolution might have played a part as well, all the different people adapted to the environment they were scattered to?
<<Whitedog, you wanna asnwer my question above? if we all came form two people, and we did not evolve, then why are we so different? (ie, black people, asian people, white people, inuit people and so on). Are you gonna try and tell us black people and asian people dont exist? That they are something 'evolutioninsts' created to debunk creation? >>
Pyro,
The bible doesn't state directly about changing physical appearences, but then again as I've stated, you can't limit God.
Genesis 11
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
2 As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.
4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.
6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
9 That is why it was called Babel --because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
Perhaps this is where Evolution might have played a part as well, all the different people adapted to the environment they were scattered to?
JeffreyLebowski = Troll, and a bad one at that
Sorry, you're right I'm just a sheep. I have no rational thinking capability whatsoever. If you are so sure there is no God, then what created the Universe? The big bang?, well what caused the big bang? You have no real answers only idiocy, and it seems you've got that mastered. While you may feel that you're intellectually superior than most of the world (~81% theists), I can assure you that you aren't.
Sorry, you're right I'm just a sheep. I have no rational thinking capability whatsoever. If you are so sure there is no God, then what created the Universe? The big bang?, well what caused the big bang? You have no real answers only idiocy, and it seems you've got that mastered. While you may feel that you're intellectually superior than most of the world (~81% theists), I can assure you that you aren't.
Those are excellent links Naplam, too bad they're wasted on this forum. People are going to believe what they choose, and that's fine. I just hate seeing lies and untruths used to defend views. These threads lead nowhere and usually go down in flames, and this one isn't any different.
Since coming to America in 1987, Australian Ken Ham has already become one of the most in-demand Christian conference speakers in the United States.
BTW, God forbid we get back to the point of this topic!
The answer to the ORIGINAL question about "What Americans want taught in school", is that Creation should be taught in science class as a theory. There are plenty of links on the WWW that go into detail. There are even entire sites devoted to debunking the Creation Science sites! It's amazing how much thinking it takes to try and poke holes in Creation Science. Never ceases to amaze me...
The Creation Research Society is a professional organization of trained scientists...
- How do creationists respond to the claim that natural selection, as observed by Darwin in the Galapagos Island finches, takes millions of years to occur? Also, is natural selection the same as evolution?
Darwin's Finches: Evidence supporting rapid post-Flood adaptation
BTW, God forbid we get back to the point of this topic!
The answer to the ORIGINAL question about "What Americans want taught in school", is that Creation should be taught in science class as a theory. There are plenty of links on the WWW that go into detail. There are even entire sites devoted to debunking the Creation Science sites! It's amazing how much thinking it takes to try and poke holes in Creation Science. Never ceases to amaze me...
The Creation Research Society is a professional organization of trained scientists...
JeffreyLebowski
Lifer
Capn,
Sure I'm trolling (this is the off topic forum and I can type my mind if I wish), it's just so damned easy to piss off people who devoutly believe. I don't believe in God and I have never seen anything or heard of anything that would make me change MY beliefes.
I'll go on record to state that I don't believe in religon for several reasons,
1. Religon has been the cause of more deaths than any disease or natuaral disaster combined. Spanish inquesition, crusades, the fighting going on in the middle east, europeans attempt to convert the "savage" natives of the americas and africa.
Dennis leary put it best when he said,
"Do you believe in god?"
"No"
"Wrong answer" kills guy
"Do you believe in god?"
"yes"
"Do you believe in my God"
"No"
"Wrong answer" kills guy
2. It is fact that the new testament and the old testament contradict the nature of God. In the old testament he is a wrathful and vengful God, but the masses didn't like that so he changed to become a Benevolent and all loving God.
3. If he's so all loving and caring why the fvck would he let babies be born with birth defects and be addicted to drugs the crackwhore mother smoked while pregnant.
4. Why does the bible say that mortal man could not gaze upon Gods greatness or he would die from the site of him, but He spoke to Moses face to face. And moses lived for several years after that.
5. I AM TROLLING IN THIS THREAD
Sure I'm trolling (this is the off topic forum and I can type my mind if I wish), it's just so damned easy to piss off people who devoutly believe. I don't believe in God and I have never seen anything or heard of anything that would make me change MY beliefes.
I'll go on record to state that I don't believe in religon for several reasons,
1. Religon has been the cause of more deaths than any disease or natuaral disaster combined. Spanish inquesition, crusades, the fighting going on in the middle east, europeans attempt to convert the "savage" natives of the americas and africa.
Dennis leary put it best when he said,
"Do you believe in god?"
"No"
"Wrong answer" kills guy
"Do you believe in god?"
"yes"
"Do you believe in my God"
"No"
"Wrong answer" kills guy
2. It is fact that the new testament and the old testament contradict the nature of God. In the old testament he is a wrathful and vengful God, but the masses didn't like that so he changed to become a Benevolent and all loving God.
3. If he's so all loving and caring why the fvck would he let babies be born with birth defects and be addicted to drugs the crackwhore mother smoked while pregnant.
4. Why does the bible say that mortal man could not gaze upon Gods greatness or he would die from the site of him, but He spoke to Moses face to face. And moses lived for several years after that.
5. I AM TROLLING IN THIS THREAD
...hmmmmmm, what did he know that Jeff L doesn't? :Q
<< It's amazing how much thinking it takes to try and poke holes in Creation Science. Never ceases to amaze me... >>
It takes an entire site due to the amount of bullsh[/b]it that is being propagated by creationists, including such claims as the speed of late is decreasing, and that humans lived with dinosaurs.
Click this link and this, Ornery, and answer some of the questions posed.
BoberFett
Lifer
Evolutionists seem to uphold TalkOrigins as an icon for their religion. What makes the information there more valid than information anywhere else?
That site is entertaining at best from what I've read. It says on every page Exploring the Creation/Evolution controversy but I have yet to see anything actually discuss the issue. It starts with the assumption that Creation is wrong and Evolutions is right. That's not much of an exploration.
That site is entertaining at best from what I've read. It says on every page Exploring the Creation/Evolution controversy but I have yet to see anything actually discuss the issue. It starts with the assumption that Creation is wrong and Evolutions is right. That's not much of an exploration.
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