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USA: 60% think that "god created earth" is science

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Czar

Lifer
And here we go again

http://www.newscientist.com/creationism/features_22352.html

A very interesting article in New Scientist explaining how unusualy hard time people in the US have to understand that createism is not science.

What americans want tought in school
29% - Teach evolution in science class and discucc creationism, but as a belief, not science
37% - Teach only evolution in science class
13% - Teach evolution and creationism as science
16% - Teach only creationism, not evolution
4% - Teach both, unsure how
1% - No opinion

95% of Americans belive in God
60% opposed to Kansas's Decision of delete evolution from state science standards
60% said religios explanations for origins should be taught in public schools "because students should be exposed to both points of view so that they can make up their own minds"

1859 - Darwin publishes "On the origin of Species"
1925 - Tennesee bans the teaching of evolution; Scopes trial ensues (?)
1929 - Arkansas and Mississippi ban the teaching of evolution
1961 - Morris and Whitcomb publish "The Genesis flood"
1963 - Research Society founded. Tennessee reqires all books except the Bible to carry a notice that portrayals of origins are not scientific fact.
1967 - Tennessee overturns ban on teaching of evolution undir which Scopes was convicted.
1968 - Sumpreme Court overturns Arkansans ban on teaching evolution making all such laws unconstitionional.
1972 - Founding of the Institute for creation research.
1981 - California court rejects charged that teaching evolution violates freedom of religion. Arkansas reqires "equal time" for creation science and evolution.
1982 - Luisiana enacts an equal-time law. Arkansas law requiring the teaching of creatism is overturned by a federal court ruling that creationism is religion, not science.
1987 - Suprime Court overturns a Louisiana equal-time law
1991 - Philip Johnson publishes "Darwin on Trial"
1994 - Court of Appeals rules that a school district may ban teaching creationism.
1996 - Micheal behe publishes "Darwin's Black Box"
1997 - Luisiana court overrules a law requiring disclamers to be read in classes of evolution. Appealed to US Suprime Court
1999 - Kansas Board of Education inserts creationism into school science standards.
http://www.newscientist.com/ns_images/2235/22352F5.JPG

No offence to people who belive in creationism but when you base science on one single very very old book instead of taking for a fact resource gathered in thousands of books. Why on earth should anyone think that the bible is science. I´m just so amazed by the US each time I read how people can be strange.


<< Brent Dalrymple, a geophysicist at the University of Oregon, Corvallis, says creationism offers people in a mobile, insecure society reassurance of their own special status. >>


So true
 
I'm always amazed with the obsession some Icelandic folk seem to have with the &quot;stupid&quot; people in the US....

edit: fwiw people in countries other than the US believe in creationism....lots of people are religious everywhere I'd venture to say.
 
Viper

because creationism is based on one book, based on religion.

evolution on the other hand is based on science because evolotion was figured out by science. Science is about resource gathering, I could just as the same think the world sits on the back of four elephants or that the sky is a woman is wearing a blue dress with stars sewed on it just because religion tells me so.
 
What's funny is that some people believe that hypothesis = fact.

Publish something enough places and it must be true.

Let's face it, neither creationism or darwinian evolution fit the definition of scientific fact.
Neither are reproducable, neither are observable, neither can be tested.

You can't prove either one. They are both matters of faith.

Don't pretend otherwise.
 
Viper, how can you say that creationism is a science when it is promoted by the Church and laughed at by the greatest scientific minds in the world.
 


<< Science is about resource gathering >>



Interesting. That's the first time I've heard that definition. Where did you get that idea?

Have you ever heard of the scientific method, Czar? Care to discuss how it fits in with your collection of &quot;facts&quot;?

 
I notice that no one has disagreed with viper's use of &quot;troll&quot; yet... That ones hard to argue against heh.
 
fdiskboy

My english is not my first language so sometimes I have a hard time putting my thoughts to english. What I meant is that science is about taking alot of information from every place you can find and come to a conclusion. Creationism is about taking one old book for a fact, a book written by normal people like you and me, people who knew alot less about the world than we do.

Its like reading information about the P4 on intel website and thinking everything there is 100% true and whatever information thousands of other people think is just bullsh&iacute;t.

 
Soybomb

hehe, well threads about religion would be the fastest growing threads on AT if those darn nef threads wouldnt be here.
 
greatest scientific minds in the world

Since when is a human mind infallible? Even the best human mind on earth is still only that... Human.

Don't put too much faith in what &quot;science&quot; tells you today, as it will almost certainly be different tomorrow.

Its like reading information about the P4 on intel website and thinking everything there is 100% true and whatever information thousands of other people think is just bullsh&iacute;t.

You couldn't have come up with a worse example to support yourself.

😀

Viper GTS
 
Since when is a human mind infallible? Even the best human mind on earth is still only that... Human.

True but this species called &quot;human&quot; are the same one who wrote the bible and created christianity.
 
Actually Troll the questions only asked about Creationism. Creationism is more basically defined as the idea that God created matter out of nothingness.

Main Entry: cre·a·tion·ism
Pronunciation: -sh&amp;-&quot;ni-z&amp;m
Function: noun
Date: 1880
: a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis
 
True but this species called &quot;human&quot; are the same one who wrote the bible and created christianity.

You're attacking faith again, not the lack of &quot;science.&quot;

Viper GTS
 
People always want simple explanations. It fits nicely into our narrow understandings of the universe. I have no problem with believing that God created the universe but not as simply or recently as the Bible relates. Those stories were simple tales for simple desert people.
 
Viper

I´m just pointing out that this religion is 2000 year old based on science known to men then, then god and such was added as an explination to what they didnt know. Modern science has explained alot of things where god used to be the only explination. We could create a new religion now to fill up what we dont know, but that would halt science for many years because religion would not accept new scientific facts.
 
Let me just say what i know about the church and christianity. I will not get into the creationism vs evolution theory.

Up till a few hundred years ago, people were not &quot;allowed&quot; to bathe. Because it was evil to see a naked body, even one's own. This was widely spread by the church.

A large percentage of US citizens believe that men have one rib less than women.

The church ruled the people until the printed word came into being. If not for what is touted as last millenium's greatest discovery, the printing press, many people would still not be bathing (because it is evil) and all men would have one rib less.

How this is supposed to make me believe in the church is beyond me 🙂

What i do know is. Light exists due to the excitation of electrons and them jumping between states resulting in emission of energy. I dun care if that is because he said let there be light.

maybe a god exists, maybe it doesnt. maybe he did make everything the way it is. maybe everything was just plain old coincidences.
However, why one should stick so closely to ONE single reference as a argument point is totally and unbelievably ridiculous.
hehe, as my math professor used to say, &quot;WHAT??? A sample size of ONE?!?!?! &quot;

As my science teacher in high school said, always be more open in your approaches. How do you know what you get is the right answer? what if its something else happening but it looks like the same thing? Or maybe there are many right answers? You don't actually know unless you can prove it. And since you can't prove this, heh......
 
In reality science never proves well, anything. It disproves other explanations until only one is left that cannot be disproved. Last one standing rule.

Creationism is not science as it does not try to invalidate its base principles. To place it on the same level as evolution makes it an outlier.
 
Czarry Fsck

That first post of yours says nothing about the age of the earth, it talks about evolution and creation. Yet your title seems to indicate you're going to discuss young earth creation. Know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
 
BoberFett

This is just the headline from the &quot;news&quot; site I found the link. Happy now, now its true but actually looks worse
 
I'm still not sure where the 60% number comes from.

<< What americans want tought in school
29% - Teach evolution in science class and discucc creationism, but as a belief, not science
37% - Teach only evolution in science class
13% - Teach evolution and creationism as science
16% - Teach only creationism, not evolution
4% - Teach both, unsure how
1% - No opinion >>

It seems that only 13% + 16% want creation taught as science. That's 29%. Unless evolutionists have changed the way addition works too.
 
Czar,

Why do you seem so threatened by the idea of Christianity? You appear to preach against it quite often.

I have an idea, why don't we take evolution out of schools? Separation of church and state has already been done. Evolution is a belief system as well, so maybe it shouldn't be taught in schools. Why not leave Christians to teach their beliefs at home, as well as other religious faiths AND those of evolutionary faith?
 
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