Hayabusa Rider
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Coming from someone who wishes death to all Muslims. You'd love to see that wouldn't you.
Again I am calling you out on another one of your my opinions are fact. Proof they are trained, professional killers????? You don't have it. AS ALWAYS.
You little piece of turd. Tell me where have I called for death of all Muslims????
That is one of the worst personal attacks I have ever seen here. You just a hit a new low.
These thugs are PROFESSIONAL TRAINED KILLERS, anyone who says otherwise has his or her eyes closed.
How the heck do you want me to give you PROOF??!!!!!!!!! I have given you proof many a time in the past which you always seem to dismiss. I dont want to waste my time on you.
How exactly do we bomb "these guys", we don't know who they are or where they are. For all you know, that dead guy in the picture was a random, innocent Iraqi that's in the wrong place at the wrong time. Any time somebody is killed in Iraq, or someone is mistreated in Gitmo, you guys whip out the whole "we're fighting terrorists here, we can't treat them nicely, we need to destroy them" argument. And that's all fine an dandy, except who ARE the terrorists and who's innocent? Do you know, or care?
I swear to God, the glee with which some of you seem to treat this whole thing makes it seem like you think it's a video game or something. That it's easy to tell who's who, and the only people who die or are imprisoned over this were "terrorist thugs". I hate to say it, but that's probably not the case. Innocent people go to jail in the US, and we have a legal system that provides a hell of a lot more protection than anything over in Iraq.
Which actually brings up an interesting point, don't they have a legal system and constitution over there? Is it legal for the US troops to be what amounts to secret police, arresting and killing anyone we see fit to without any kind of due process? I know it would be ok (in the legal sense) against foreign fighters, but not against Iraqis, right? Or maybe there is something written in to their laws that says anyone we call a terrorist is exempt from legal protection. Just exactly how does the system work over there?
No, dont tell me these are regular Iraqi's who just picked up arms against the USA. Untrained civilians these terrorists are not. They are best at what they do, and that is kill.
Either they are mercenaries for hire, by Iran, Syria or Saudi Arabia and/or ex members of Saddam's military and more possibly, the terrorists who already were there.
Likely its all three of those reasons.
You're right, our soldiers can be completely trusted to make correct decisions about who's a terrorist and who's dangerous. We should implement that system over here in the US since it works so well. Just have soldiers at every public place terrorists might strike, and if they see someone they think is a terrorist, they should just waste him. Actually, why not take it a step farther? Since they are perfect when it comes to finding and killing terrorists (and only terrorists), why not have them go door to door and take down everyone in the US who's a criminal? It will certainly free up the courts. I bet we could solve the drug problem by torturing drug dealers to come up with their supply chain. We've needed a secret police for a long time now, think more much more orderly it will be.
Just because you aren't willing to admit there aren't flaws in our wonderful presence in Iraq doesn't mean they are going to go away. And I know, I know, terrorists don't get any legal protections with our legal system and all that. But what about the Iraqi legal system, doesn't it protect its citizens from stuff like this, or did we bring them a democracy that includes secret police loopholes?
Pardon me for asking, but what the hell do you know? How do you know whether or not these guys are untrained civilans or trained killers? Even if you could tell by fighting over there, and I have serious doubts about that, it doesn't seem possible you can tell from nothing more than news reports. So again, what are you basing this stupid idea on that they are trained killers and not random Iraqi civilians? Just because you WANT it to be true doesn't mean it is...nor does it mean it's not, but I'd be interested to hear your logic.
Since the only laws in place are remaining from Saddam, it's probably mandatory that there's some sort of secret police running around.
this is really hard to watch, and i'm completely against sodliers brutalizing prisoners. but the driver of the car did NOT stop at the checkpoint, nor yield to the warning shots. the soldiers did nothing wrong AFAIK
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It truly is disgusting to see what parts of our nation has degraded into. At every opportunity, unpatriotic Americans try to bash and destroy America. We are at war. I consider these acts of condemning our military an act of sedition and treason. Punishment for this horrific offense against our nation can include death.
Agreed. We are a nation at war.
If these people lived during WW2 in America, they would have been tried for treason.
Remember, loose lips sink ships. Stop aiding the enemy.
That would be the people in the videos saying "Death to America".
Seriously, if you don't know who the enemy is, you need medical attention. Knowing who your enemy is is a basic human feeling.
Thats the sad part, that we cant tell the average innocent civilians from the terrorists.
These terrorists live amongst the civilians because they feel that we wont ever find them there. Sadly, this is becoming the case
Here's an analogy. When a sports team wins a championship and the people peacefully celebrate in the streets, that's fine. But when it starts to get out of hand (fires, assaulting police, etc.), the police spray tear-gas to disperse everyone. The smart people know to get the hell out of there at the first sign of trouble to avoid the police. The dumb people stick around until it is too late and they also get grouped in with the actual violent people. Do you every hear any court cases against police officers that say they must specifically pick-and-choose who's being violent and who's in the wrong place at the wrong time? No. It's called "crowd management" and is understood that if you are in the crowd, you are taking that chance.
The same thing applies for the Iraqi citizens. If you see the Americans coming, get the hell out of the streets. And for the American troops, if you see hostile Iraqis, kill every one of the visible Iraqis. It's called war.
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Two points:
Most of the insurgents hit and run. When faced with the potential, they hide like the rest of the civilians.
If you start killing anyone and everyone just because they are there, you'll fuel the insurgency to include the entire country. After a while, they will all be insurgents. Again, not like you care. Mow them all down and take what is best in US interests, eh?!
I agree its war, but lets not get out of hand and spur hate further for America. We should try to avoid innocent deaths, but not at the cost of American soldiers. You may have a point though, in the heat of a battle its hard to determine the scum from the innocent civilians.
But again, far too many innocent civilians have died and more should not die. Its the sad fact of war, however.
Yes, it's sad, but what other choice do our boys in the field have? They are under attack. The bullets and RPGs are coming from a crowd of people. Do they just sit there and get blown to pieces or get on the .50 and mow down the entire crowd? For the individuals soldiers in the field, it's kill or be killed. They are either going to get killed that minute, or kill those who are trying to kill them. Either way, someone is going to get killed that moment.
I don't like seeing the civilians killed, but if it's a choice between our soldiers and insurgents+civilians, then it's pretty clear - do whatever is necessary to kil the insurgents.
Totally correct. If innocent civilians do get killed, its the fault of the terrorists who hide among them.
You are a troll. You don't give anyone proof of anything. You still haven't given me proof that the Palestinian cops are corrupt. Your defense was "I don't want to debate the M.E now". LOL.
You don't wish death to Muslims? You just said it yourself that you wish the U.S would drop 500 pound bombs in the middle of Iraq where there are civilians and you compare it to Afghanistan where they drop them on caves in the mountains.
Either you lack common sense which it is very clear that you do or you hate Muslims. I would have to say all of the above because you want the U.S to drop 500 pound bombs right in the middle of the cities.
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