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Lifer
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So, it seems that we are not pulling out of Syria after all, we are only moving the troops that were preventing Turkey from their ethic cleaning and getting in the way of Russia's advance.
So, it seems that we are not pulling out of Syria after all, we are only moving the troops that were preventing Turkey from their ethic cleaning and getting in the way of Russia's advance.
I thought trump said the Kurds were very happy with his perfect deal?
So, it seems that we are not pulling out of Syria after all, we are only moving the troops that were preventing Turkey from their ethic cleaning and getting in the way of Russia's advance.
He also said Mexico will pay for the wall and that trade wars are easy to win.
But... but... Trump already destroyed ISIS, right?
And I was against the Iraq war. Still against it and was happy to see Obama make the army exit. Although I was a bit surprised he didn't leave in 4-5k troops as general security which he could have withdrawn over time.
If anyone needs to learn how to be pro war and brush up on pro war advocacy in general you can find it in posts from the progressives in this thread. And also from many on the left and right in the U.S. So now if you want to find out about peace and anti war movements in America I guess you have to look hard for fringe groups.
I know it's to keep ISIS from making a comeback but please consider if we (the U.S.) would not have expanded beyond Afghanistan then there never would have been an ISIS. Meaning if we never invaded Iraq in 2003 then ISIS would not have formed. Should be interesting seeing progressives try to defeat that argument today.
And I was against the Iraq war. Still against it and was happy to see Obama make the army exit. Although I was a bit surprised he didn't leave in 4-5k troops as general security which he could have withdrawn over time.
Why? Should the US not protect its interests abroad? Do you honestly believe that it is NOT in our interest to intervene in the Middle East? Do you think we've been doing it for years out of the kindness of our hearts?We should have never been there at all.
Did you vote for george w bush?We should have never been there at all.
That exit is why / how ISIS swept through Mosul overnight. No one competent was there to defend it. And half of Iraq fell to terrorist anarchy shortly thereafter.
It was wrong to invade Iraq. It was wrong to abandon Iraq to ISIS. And it is wrong to abandon the Kurds now. But all three action(s) are now complete. There is no taking them back. We can only learn the lesson(s) and move forward. Syria is once more unified behind Assad now. We must respect their territory.
Why? Should the US not protect its interests abroad? Do you honestly believe that it is NOT in our interest to intervene in the Middle East? Do you think we've been doing it for years out of the kindness of our hearts?
Nope, I don't vote for idiots. Do you recall who got us into Iraq?Yes I did.
Did you?
So this oil field thing, seems kind of difficult for the progressives to defend U.S. troops protecting oil in Syria. Remember the "it's the oil" used against the Repubs in past U.S. wars in the middle east? So now if progressives defend it then it would appear to be hypocritical. I know, I know you can just say having our troops at the oil fields will help deter ISIS while you brush the oil issue to the back somewhere.
Perhaps progressives will start saying ISIS was partly responsible for 9/11. Did I just make an attack against progressives? I mean like a personal attack. But an ad hominem attack is against an individual. So I can't get in trouble because you can't be banned for verbally attacking a policy or large group. It has to be a verbal attack on an individual. Or can I get in trouble? What if the rules are being changed so that the term progressives is really a person in this forum? If so then I could sent packing for three days or maybe even for life.
Nope, I don't vote for idiots. Do you recall who got us into Iraq?
You think out goal is to "fix" the middle east?We have no interest in Syria. They can sort out their own demons.
The middle east has been a war torn region for centuries. We cannot fix it.
Riiiight. You Never vote for Idiots.....
Who? It was a lot more than just one Who. I know you want to blame the entire mess on GWB, but he was FAR from being alone.
House Democrat Vote:
Nay - 127
Yea - 81
Not voting - 1
House Republican Vote:
Nay - 6
Yea - 215
Not voting - 2
215 (96.4%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted for the resolution.
House Independent Vote
Nay - 1
Senate Democrat Vote:
Yea - 29
Nay - 21
(58%) of 50 Democratic senators voted for the resolution.
Senate Republican Vote:
Yea -- 48
Nay - 1
Senate Independant Vote:
Nay - 1
** and lets not forget about the crappy intelligence reports that supported the vote.
If anyone needs to learn how to be pro war and brush up on pro war advocacy in general you can find it in posts from the progressives in this thread. And also from many on the left and right in the U.S. So now if you want to find out about peace and anti war movements in America I guess you have to look hard for fringe groups.
I know it's to keep ISIS from making a comeback but please consider if we (the U.S.) would not have expanded beyond Afghanistan then there never would have been an ISIS. Meaning if we never invaded Iraq in 2003 then ISIS would not have formed. Should be interesting seeing progressives try to defeat that argument today.
And I was against the Iraq war. Still against it and was happy to see Obama make the army exit. Although I was a bit surprised he didn't leave in 4-5k troops as general security which he could have withdrawn over time.
Riiiight. You Never vote for Idiots.....
Who? It was a lot more than just one Who. I know you want to blame the entire mess on GWB, but he was FAR from being alone.
House Democrat Vote:
Nay - 127
Yea - 81
Not voting - 1
House Republican Vote:
Nay - 6
Yea - 215
Not voting - 2
215 (96.4%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted for the resolution.
House Independent Vote
Nay - 1
Senate Democrat Vote:
Yea - 29
Nay - 21
(58%) of 50 Democratic senators voted for the resolution.
Senate Republican Vote:
Yea -- 48
Nay - 1
Senate Independant Vote:
Nay - 1
** and lets not forget about the crappy intelligence reports that supported the vote.
Riiiight. You Never vote for Idiots.....
Who? It was a lot more than just one Who. I know you want to blame the entire mess on GWB, but he was FAR from being alone.
House Democrat Vote:
Nay - 127
Yea - 81
Not voting - 1
House Republican Vote:
Nay - 6
Yea - 215
Not voting - 2
215 (96.4%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted for the resolution.
House Independent Vote
Nay - 1
Senate Democrat Vote:
Yea - 29
Nay - 21
(58%) of 50 Democratic senators voted for the resolution.
Senate Republican Vote:
Yea -- 48
Nay - 1
Senate Independant Vote:
Nay - 1
** and lets not forget about the crappy intelligence reports that supported the vote.
Oh, this tired and pathetic canard....but I like that you continue to post visual evidence that, for a very long time, The Democratic party has been very much right of center, unlike when you all try to argue that they are ultra liberal commie snowflakes.
I mean, the voting record is the voting record, right?