US severely falling behind in internet technology 2

[Athlon30]

God, the fastest internet speed in US is slower than the slowest in Hongkong.

Less than 13% of US internet users use cable/DSL to access the net. they are usually from 512k - 1.5m for DSL, less than 2M for cable modem. In Hongkong, the prevailing DSL speed is 6M - 10M. In real time, that is 1,000k per second (10M), compare to 50k (512 DSL), 150k (1.5M DSL) or 4.6k (56k modem). With 10M DSL, you can watch 800x600 realstream movies/TV/live boardcast) in real time. And it is 5-6 times faster than all the US boardband (DSL/cable). The slowest DSL speed in Hongkong is 3m, the 512k or 768k DSL is not even available.

All US internet user are screwed.

Someone will say who needs 10M DSL, then again who needs a 3 gigahertz Pentium 4 and Geforce4.

In the US, if you go to buy a case, you get 10 to 20 choices from a vender. In Guangzhow, China, you get to choose from 300+ (with 79 colors) choices under one roof.
In the US, if you go to buy a mobo, you get 10 to 20 choice from a vender. In Guangzhow, China, you get to choose from 200+ choices under one roof.
In the US, the geforce4 available to public is 4 - 6 weeks later than Hongkong or China.
In the US, the prevailing CDRW speed is 24x, in Hongkong or China is 32x, 40x and 52x CDRW is coming soon.
Also, only 10% of the products showed in Computex, Taipei ever make it to the US. The other 90% only available in China, Hongkong or Taiwan because that's where majority of the parts are made.
God, US consumers are screwed with 10% of choices and at a later time.

:disgust:

Alright, that's enough trolling from you, little boy.
Keep posting this kind of crap and you will very quickly exhaust your welcome here on the forums.

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[Adul]

my cable is about 4 mbps. but I wouldnt minda 10 Mbps DSL

 

[Ryan]

Do you have any links to back this up...

BTW - I'm fine with my cable modem fast enough for me.

 

[randomlinh]

we've always been on the trailing end for hardware.

and who want's 200 choices for mobo's? Altho, a few more choices would be nice to have.

as for the internet thing.. yeah, it'd be nice to have more ppl on broadband first (and not by puttin 1000 ppl on one 1Mb node for cable.. that doesn't work either).. it just gets costly. just not needed right now unless you're a computer techie.

 

[AndyHui]

In Hongkong, the prevailing DSL speed is 6M - 10M...

The slowest DSL speed in Hongkong is 3m

I will tell you here and now that this is incorrect.

The prevailing speeds are 1.5Mb, 3Mb and 6Mb for regular consumers. No one offers 10Mb DSL here.

Most people are on the 1.5Mb and 3Mb lines.

Have you considered the fact that population here in Hong Kong is so dense that not only is it practical for a large scale rollout but also more economical?

 

[rudder]

All US internet user are screwed.

I am on 56k dialup. Am i screwed? Not quite, its certainly fast enough for email and occasional browsing.

hell the only thing people really use broadband for besides gaming is for downloading pr0n, mp3's, movies, etc. Do I really need newegg.com to load in a blink of an eye?

I am moving next month to where I can get cable, but is there any reason to waste an extra $40 a month?

 

[techwanabe]

Many of the items you listed as having more choices or faster availability are that way since they are made over there or in neighboring states. In China, the black market for goods is everywhere so that probably has alot to do with it too.

Foreign gamers are always complaining about having to wait a month to get the latest game after it is available here in the US for example. Alot depends on where you live and where things are made. Or so it seems.

Another consideration... things cost more in these other countries.... High speed internet probably costs more in other countries...

Me, I can't justify the ~$50 per month for high speed. If I need a large FTP download, I can do it at work and burn it to a CD.

 

[odog]

Less than 13% of US internet users use cable/DSL to access the net. they are usually from 512k - 1.5m for DSL, less than 2M for cable modem. In Hongkong, the prevailing DSL speed is 6M - 10M. In real time, that is 1,000k per second (10M), compare to 50k (512 DSL), 150k (1.5M DSL) or 4.6k (56k modem). With 10M DSL, you can watch 800x600 realstream movies/TV/live boardcast) in real time. And it is 5-6 times faster than all the US boardband (DSL/cable). The slowest DSL speed in Hongkong is 3m, the 512k or 768k DSL is not even available.

simply wrong... check this hkcable.com.hk fastest speed on that test is 6Mbit down.... just a little short of the 10Mbit your quoting.... even if they advertise 10Mbit, delievery is another issue.(the most advanced DSL equip is 6mbit for residential)

In the US, if you go to buy a case, you get 10 to 20 choices from a vender. In Guangzhow, China, you get to choose from 200+ choices under one roof.

actually we have this thing called the internet, and i'd say we have a bit over 200+ cases to choose from

In the US, if you go to buy a mobo, you get 10 to 20 choice from a vender. In Guangzhow, China, you get to choose from 150+ choices under one roof.

again see response above.... except while generic cases can be ok, generic mobos usually just plain suck.

In the US, the geforce4 available to public is 4 - 6 weeks later than Hongkong or China.

parhelia is coming out in the next few weeks... lets use that as a metric for your 4-6 weeks theory

In the US, the prevailing CDRW speed is 24x, in Hongkong or China is 32x, 40x and 52x CDRW is coming soon.

i dunno about you, but i can go to staples and get a 32x cdr for under $50.... 40X for under $80.... haven't seen the 52x's yet, but that is just a matter of time

Also, only 10% of the products showed in Computex, Taipei ever make it to the US. The other 90% only available in China, Hongkong or Taiwan because that's where majority of the parts are made.

you know why? because they would not sell in suficent quantity warranting the shipping cost...

God, US consumers are screwed with 10% of choices and at a later time.

you may think so.... and i quote

It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

[DarkKnight]

In the US, the prevailing CDRW speed is 24x, in Hongkong or China is 32x, 40x and 52x CDRW is coming soon

I live in the US and I've already seen 48X drives in stores (I saw one recently in Best Buy)

In the US, if you go to buy a case, you get 10 to 20 choices from a vender. In Guangzhow, China, you get to choose from 200+ choices under one roof.

200+ choices for cases and motherboards in nice, but who knows how good those 200 companies are compared to the US companies. I'm sure most of the 200 companies are not very good (compared to the likes ASUS or Abit).

 

[Pariah]

Hong Kong is 400sq miles, by comparison the state of Rhode Island is over a 1000sq miles. Which do you think would be easier to wire for highspeed data connections, 400sq miles or 3.5 million sq miles? It's absurd to say the US is falling behind because one tiny island off the cost of China has higher internet speed on average.

 

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I don't see where China and HK come into play. (except mobile)

 

[ahsia]

Originally posted by: Athlon30
God, the fastest internet speed in US is slower than the slowest in Hongkong.

Less than 13% of US internet users use cable/DSL to access the net. they are usually from 512k - 1.5m for DSL, less than 2M for cable modem. In Hongkong, the prevailing DSL speed is 6M - 10M. In real time, that is 1,000k per second (10M), compare to 50k (512 DSL), 150k (1.5M DSL) or 4.6k (56k modem). With 10M DSL, you can watch 800x600 realstream movies/TV/live boardcast) in real time. And it is 5-6 times faster than all the US boardband (DSL/cable). The slowest DSL speed in Hongkong is 3m, the 512k or 768k DSL is not even available.

All US internet user are screwed.

Cable modem is available almost everywhere, and I know some people CHOOSE NOT to have cable modem because they don't want to pay the $40-$50 a month. As for your 10M DSL, like AndyHui said, I don't think that is even available, especially to residential customers.

In the US, if you go to buy a case, you get 10 to 20 choices from a vender. In Guangzhow, China, you get to choose from 200+ choices under one roof.
In the US, if you go to buy a mobo, you get 10 to 20 choice from a vender. In Guangzhow, China, you get to choose from 150+ choices under one roof.
In the US, the geforce4 available to public is 4 - 6 weeks later than Hongkong or China.
In the US, the prevailing CDRW speed is 24x, in Hongkong or China is 32x, 40x and 52x CDRW is coming soon.
Also, only 10% of the products showed in Computex, Taipei ever make it to the US. The other 90% only available in China, Hongkong or Taiwan because that's where majority of the parts are made.
God, US consumers are screwed with 10% of choices and at a later time.

:disgust:

I really don't know what is your point. I think the 10/90 ratio is a bit off. Look at all the products on the websites of motherboard companies such as ASUS, ABIT, Gigabyte, etc. I think a majority of the products are available here. Your 10 to 20 choices maybe for your local mom and pa shop, but places like newegg or googlegear probably has everything you need as far as cases, mobos, video cards, etc. By the way, newegg already sells the 32x and 40x Lite-On burner. I think you need to get your facts straight before making these outrageous claims.

 

[Soccerman]

obviously the people here are satisfied with being a little behind what the people in China, Japan and Taiwan, and I tend to agree with them.

These people who live in Hong Kong, they must have ALOT of money if they're willing to buy from unknown board manufacturers. it must be hard to tell how reliable a board will be.

as for the High Speed Internet, up here in Canada it's cheap as hell! $40 a month will get me 1Mbps DSL (and that's $40 CANADIAN, more like $26 US). guess why! our government is active in bringing this technology to the consumer, because not everyone likes to drive the long distances they can encounter when living in Canada. Banking online for example is a pretty good way of saving money (for gas) and the environment.

of course it helps that our phone company (each province has it's own phone company AFAIK) isn't privately owned, it's publicly owned.

but that still doesn't beat the physics of the situation. I live about 10Km from a town that has both ADSL and cable internet available to them, but I can't get it becuase I can't even get cable, and my house is too far out for DSL.

 

[AndyHui]

These people who live in Hong Kong, they must have ALOT of money if they're willing to buy from unknown board manufacturers. it must be hard to tell how reliable a board will be.

I'm not sure where to start with that comment. Let's just say that these unknown brands are EXTREMELY cheap, and they either work or they don't. Kind of hit and miss, but many people said that of ECS.

The way people buy things and the way the economy works is a little different here, so I wouldn't quite phrase it your way, Soccerman.

 

[mrzed]

of course it helps that our phone company (each province has it's own phone company AFAIK) isn't privately owned, it's publicly owned.

Actually, there are only two major phone companies in Canada, and each is privately owned. One owns the wires in the west, and the other in the east. The vast majority of Canadians deal with one of these two. Canada has a government regulated monopoly phone system. I imagine it is similar to the US, but I really don't know. The regulations force the monopoly owners of the lines to lease capacity to resellers. They also set rates for local phone service, and recently have initiated competetive local provision. Phone and cable services are natural monopolies, as it makes no sense to install multiple competing wires to each home. I imagine that the USA has a somewhat similar system but I really don't know.

As for why our system results in cheaper high speed access than in the US, I'm not sure why. I do know that Canadians are on average more wired than those south of the border, greater % online, greater % high speed access. I'm sure that has a relation to the lower prices but I'm not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg.

 

[Siddhartha]

More and faster is always better.

 

[Rectalfier]

Why was the original thread locked?

"It's just hard for me to see American consumer's as "screwed". Canada is worse off, and I consider ours a rather competitive computer marketplace."

Chansen, As Soccerman stated, Canada's phone system was only recently privatized, and the X-government organizations have since held a monopoly. I pay $40 a month Canadian ($26 US) and I get consistant downloads at around 600+ kilobits per second. We may have less choices, but we have a better service and cheaper prices.

You were obviously insulted by Athlon30's misinformed poking at US broadband. Do not insult Canada with you misinformed statements. We are not worse off, we are better off, that is why a greater percentage of people use broadband in Canada.

As for Athlon30. Hong Kong is one the of the most densely populated places in the world. The whole city consists mainly of sky scrapers. Of course there are more choices there, any given company just has to wire a short distance to attach to another sky scraper and service thousands of people, rather than wire a long distance for one person's house in the US/Canada.

 

[vash]

Athlon30 is definitely telling the truth that the far east has more and gets more than we do in the states, but if it was SO good out there, why are so many people immigrating to the states?

Certainly if choices were that good in computing hardware and broadband, you'd stay, right?

Also, I prefer the amount of civil liberties I have, in the USA, over some of choices you may have in your country.

vash

 

[AndyHui]

Originally posted by: vash

Also, I prefer the amount of civil liberties I have, in the USA, over some of choices you may have in your country.

I have no problems with my civil liberties here in Hong Kong. I'm not going anywhere. Keep that side of the argument out of it. It's not relevant.

 

[vash]

I have no problems with my civil liberties here in Hong Kong. I'm not going anywhere. Keep that side of the argument out of it. It's not relevant.

China was quoted serveral times, I wasn't sure if China was home or Hong Kong. I know they are real close to each other and Hong Kong is a "special" area in reguards to China.

vash

 

[Soccerman]

AndyHui you're right, that was a dumb statement by me about being rich. I realized that while writing it, but didn't do anything about it.

basically what I was trying to get at, was that they're right there on the cutting edge, and when you are there, you often fall off (get a bad board for example).

while the high speed internet thing is faster and probably more reliable than choosing a working motherboard out there, it's not like it is physically possible to do with such large distances to cover in North America. Also I bet this is not a privately done operation to push high speed internet (though I don't know for sure, it seems to me things like this are better off being publicly managed).

heh just look at Manitoba Hydro.. we easily have enough electricity for our own needs (it's nice that we have alot of dams up north) but we're planning on building another. why? so we can sell the electricity to places where electricity is expensive. the surplus electricity allows us to have I think the cheapest rates in north america, or at least very close to them.. and also, the extra electricity is always there, just in case we DO need it.

AFAIK MTS (Manitoba Telecom Systems) was turned over to the private sector or something a couple of years ago due to the idiot government needing the cash, but for some reason, things haven't been so bad AFAIK when it comes to phone rates, and internet prices. I really do think the government is partly responsible for the quick proliferation of high speed internet. and I really also think that the government still has a say on what happens in MTS. MTS as a company doesn't act like private companies tend to.

ahh well, all I know is, across Canada, our High Speed Internet is cheap as hell.

I remember that Europe had really cheap ISDN at one point (before ADSL and Cable internet). I was sooo envious of them.

so don't go saying that the US has better rates for high speed internet!

 

[WyteWatt]

Well OOL cable modem users have nothing to worry about They have 10 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload Most get 5 to 8.5 Mbps download and 800 to 900Kbps upload 24/7

I would move just to get OOL cable modem isp but i can not move

Also there is 100 Mbps upload and 100Mbps download high speed internet isps out there right now in the US. Plus 10 Mbps download and upload speed high speed internet isps. The one that offers 100Mbps upload and download is called switchpoint (www.airswitch.com)
BTW this 100 Mbps upload and 100Mbps download switchpoint offers is all your bandwidth. Not shared at all!!! In the video on that website they have someone at like blockbuster website or something watching a video streaming movie they got somehow on the blockbuster website. Then in other room someone else plays a online game with someone. Think its need for speed. Then someone else talks on the phone i think somehow using the bandwidth. Sorta like a free phone service like dialup, etc. And like the yap phone i think.
But they are only using 44Mbps of bandwidth i believe the video said. So they have over half of their 100Mbps bandwidth left!!!!!!!! I can not image what i could do with all that bandwidth. But heck if i had the 100Mbps download and upload service i would be more than happy if i got at least 50 Mbps download and upload bandwidth 24/7 at least. Shh i would take 20 Mbps upload and download. The other high speed internet isp that offers 10 Mbps is WOW. Forgot what the website was but it could be www.wow.com but maybe not. I know WOW has a plan with 3 Mbps upload and download too which is cheaper so thats not bad either but i think i would want at least 10 Mbps download and upload.

Where have you all been??? Now i know i am the speedfreak. Hehe

 

[ProviaFan]

I, a resident of the US, am not happy with no broadband at all. Of course, that may be due to the fact that I live in a small town of around 900, but when people in a nearby smaller town of 600 can get DSL, it kinda makes me P.O.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: imtim83
Well OOL cable modem users have nothing to worry about They have 10 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload Most get 5 to 8.5 Mbps download and 800 to 900Kbps upload 24/7

I would move just to get OOL cable modem isp but i can not move

Also there is 100 Mbps upload and 100Mbps download high speed internet isps out there right now in the US. Plus 10 Mbps download and upload speed high speed internet isps. The one that offers 100Mbps upload and download is called switchpoint (www.airswitch.com)
BTW this 100 Mbps upload and 100Mbps download switchpoint offers is all your bandwidth. Not shared at all!!! In the video on that website they have someone at like blockbuster website or something watching a video streaming movie they got somehow on the blockbuster website. Then in other room someone else plays a online game with someone. Think its need for speed. Then someone else talks on the phone i think somehow using the bandwidth. Sorta like a free phone service like dialup, etc. And like the yap phone i think.
But they are only using 44Mbps of bandwidth i believe the video said. So they have over half of their 100Mbps bandwidth left!!!!!!!! I can not image what i could do with all that bandwidth. But heck if i had the 100Mbps download and upload service i would be more than happy if i got at least 50 Mbps download and upload bandwidth 24/7 at least. Shh i would take 20 Mbps upload and download. The other high speed internet isp that offers 10 Mbps is WOW. Forgot what the website was but it could be www.wow.com but maybe not. I know WOW has a plan with 3 Mbps upload and download too which is cheaper so thats not bad either but i think i would want at least 10 Mbps download and upload.
Where have you all been??? Now i know i am the speedfreak. Hehe

Your airswitch.com link doesn't work. I'd like to know exactly how much that costs, and how widely available it is. I do know one company (cogent?) provides 100mbit unshared connections for "only" $1000 / month.

 

[WyteWatt]

Ok i know the Switchpoint cost $40 to $60 a month for 100 Mbps upload and 100 Mbps download. Last time i checked which was a while ago it was beta testing in Utah. WOW not sure but its around the same i believe. (BTW i know i saw this thread locked before but someone must of unlocked it now.)