US severely falling behind in internet technology 2

[Athlon30]

You should travel more. Appreciate some of the better things in life then. Complaining in the way that you have done is not going to get you anywhere.

--- US is the technology leader of the world, US consumers should also deserve the best.

I started off with a 300bps modem many many years ago. People these days are spoilt with technology and don't know how to appreciate.

You CAN get pre-tested parts. Several traders here on the AnandTech forums used to offer pre-tested parts, and many still do.
-- sure they do, but at what very price and little choice. and they don't offer pre-mod geforce4 Ti4200 that runs faster than Ti4600.
-- the buttom line is little choice and high price. (no pre-mod geforce4 is offered) pre-mod VGA card is key to high performance graphics. pre-mod Ti4200 only cost US $150.
-- i gurentee you that you 10,000 PC consumers in US that "where can you buy pre-tested overclocked ram or pre-mod geforce4" 9,999 of them can't tell you unless they work in the computer industry.

Seriously, quit whining. You should be thankful that you don't have a 56K modem. Turn on your PMs as well please.
-- you forgot that US is the technology leader of the world, if Hongkong has 10M boardband, US should have 20M. Years ago, when US have 56k, Hongkong was stucked at 28k. at that time, Hongkong was 24 months behind. Now is the other way around. this sucks.

 

[Athlon30]

If you really care that much about having all of the latest and greatist. Then obviously price is not an issue. Because new products are generally much more expensive than a notch or two below the top. So call up some guy in Hongkong and have him ship it here or better yet fly down there and bring it back yourself.
--- the point is not what I want, the point is that general public wants. I travel to China, Hongkong frequently for business reasons and get them there. but i see general public is suffering that they have to pay US $2,500 - 3000 to get it from Dell and Alienware. this kind of sh_t should not happen.

US consumers deserve more choice like those in Hongkong or China.
In Guangzhow, China, they have cases of 300+ choice with 79 colors. from book size, blade, big tower, big server with 79 colors.
In US, you get 20 choices, 18 of them are beige, the other 2 are black. this is screwed up. consumers are screwed.

I don't care where you are in the US, do you have a place of stocking 50 heatsink with 60 different fans (different size) in you local area?

--60 different fans -- 40mm, 50mm, 60, 70, 80, 92, 120, 150mm with 10mm, 15, 20, 25, 32mm thinkness, different speed, different loudness and different watts. --- Do you have this choice in US???????

 

[Soccerman]

here, I'll show you again, since you didn't see it the first time. remember this so called economic slowdown? no industry was hurt more than the telecom industry. Nortel has gone down BIG TIME ever since. I imagine other similar companies are experiencing difficulties as well. they laid down TONS of fiber optic cable, and where does it lead to? well the last mile to our homes in cities obviously doesn't connect to it, other wise we would be experiencing some pretty extreme speeds. again (for the 3rd time) I'll point you towards THIS LINK

 

[rominl]

well i got parents and friends in hong kong and i can tell you, yes connections in hong kong are faster, but no it's not that fast like 10M. in general i am please with what i got here, but it's true that when it comes to general public awareness of technology the US is no match to hong kong. just my feeling

 

[AndyHui]

Why do you point to NYC as a density example? Is NYC the only place in the US deserving of cable, given your premise? What about the rest?

US is the technology leader of the world, US consumers should also deserve the best.

Deserve? Leader? Where do you get this from?

Take the cell phone system in Australia for example. Light years ahead of the one in the US.

Selective use of examples like you have is meaningless, as is a complete lack of understanding of the entire system.

 

[Athlon30]

Remember both Nvidia and ATI chips are made by TSMC in Taiwan and then put on the card in Guangdong, China. China always have latest geforce first. basically, every major or minor brand have assembly plant (or subcontracted) in Guangdong including HP, Intel, Compaq, Apple, Acer, IBM, Abit, Asus, MSI, ECS, Aopen, ATI, Gigabyte, Epox, gainward, Dell, Gateway, Alienware, DFI, FIC, Iwill, Chaintech, Pine, On-data, Tekram, Soyo, Shuttle, Soltek, Jetway, Legend, Luckystar, panasonic, sony, toshiba, Triplex, eagle, Atrend, topstar, jbond, quanta, foxcomm, matsonic, megastar, Kodak, biostar, PcChips, Acorp, Benz, realtek, trident......the list can last pages.

 

[Athlon30]

well i got parents and friends in hong kong and i can tell you, yes connections in hong kong are faster, but no it's not that fast like 10M. in general i am please with what i got here, but it's true that when it comes to general public awareness of technology the US is no match to hong kong. just my feeling

-- Hongkong's slowest 1.5M is the fastest in US, even 6M DSL from hongkong telcom is 4x faster than anything and everything in the US. The poll already shows most people wanted more choices than now and have those 6M. your argument is lame and futile.

 

[Athlon30]

To andy

-- i bet you buttom my dollar that Hongkong will 3G cell phone service before US. Hongkong consumers have a choice of whether to get the latest. the point is that US consumer just "don't have the choice" of having the latest technology.

when it is available, consumer can choose. when it is unavailable, you have no choice. ( just like Hongkong citizens have no choice, but stucked with CEO Tung) the freedom to choose is not there.

 

[flexy]

as for europe (in particular germany)...if you order a phone line (telekom) you automatically get ISDN, it's standard.

That means the 'lowest' dialup you have is 64kb/64kb up/down speed....compared to a 56k dialup analog modem (like 50k down/28k up if you have a good connection).

AFAIK also the next DSL standards, i think HDSL (?) ar rather tested and introduced first in Europe than in the us....(reason the same, the us phone system is rather old and also the theoretical bandwiths are always a bit higher in EU compared to the us.)

In Europe, things like 'smart chips' etc. are rather common...you get them on your phone-card, debit cards etc. Here it's still kinda new technology and hardly used.
I guess that's also the reason my motherboard came with a smart card reader (pretty useless here)...i think that maybe in Taiwan/China etc. this technology is far more used so they bundled it with mainboards. ?

On the other hand.....'mainstream hardware' is often cheaper here in the us. Compare prices for gfx cards (ATI...) here and in EU....and look how long it took to bring eg. the Radeon 8500 on the EU market.....long after it was available in the us.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: rudder
All US internet user are screwed.

I am on 56k dialup. Am i screwed? Not quite, its certainly fast enough for email and occasional browsing.

hell the only thing people really use broadband for besides gaming is for downloading pr0n, mp3's, movies, etc. Do I really need newegg.com to load in a blink of an eye?

I am moving next month to where I can get cable, but is there any reason to waste an extra $40 a month?

it may be enough for you.

For me it's definetly NOT enough - and i dont need to be a warez dude or pr0n addicted or whatever to value a reasonable BB over some lame analog dialup.
I am sick of retraining/transfer interrupts and stuff - and i consider mp3, streaming (radios etc.) definetly mainstream internet use nowaday, even my wife uses that and she is not really a computer geek The question is the difference between certain countries and the 'lowest' standard available. The 'lowest' standrad in EU is 64kb ISDN (if you order a phone) - and i feel like in the middle ages being on a dialup with all that cr*p going on. (The last time i used an analogue modem back in Europe was in the early 90s (((( )
[and no, i dont have BB available where i live right now, and i am also too far for DSL. (DSL == real adsl and not (us) ISDN 'sold as DSL' like many companies do here..what a rip off !)

But...i see another problem coming with the 'wish' that suddenly all users would have/want a 10MB DSL connect.
I worked for an ISP, and right now one 'big thing' many ISPs are doing is wireless broadband, and i can tell you there are nice speeds possible (2.5M and more).

The problem is that an ISP must be available to provide this bandwith !!!! Imagine 500 users at an ISP wanting 10MB bandwith...users who maybe had dialups before. Not every ISP is able to provide that bandwith !!

And, btw. i would be GLAD to shell out $40 for a reasonable BB.....compare it what you pay for a crappy dialup (phone linem monthly fees etc...)...you will see at the end you pay only marginally more (imho)....the benefits outweight that totally.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

US is the technology leader of the world, US consumers should also deserve the best.

I'd only agree on US is the war technology and cpu leader of the world.

 

[AndyHui]

i bet you buttom my dollar that Hongkong will 3G cell phone service before US. Hongkong consumers have a choice of whether to get the latest. the point is that US consumer just "don't have the choice" of having the latest technology.

Hong Kong doesn't have a 3G phone service, but KanTo, KanSai and Fukuoka have in Japan. Why don't you complain about HK, and the rest of Japan which is left out? I'm sure the consumers here in HK, and "way out" places like Sapporo are screaming because they don't have 3G.

If this sort of thing worries you so much, WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE? IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

 

[CocaCola5]

I think the US should completely overhaul the old copper network(from the 30's?) it has and adopt fibre optics.
Maybe the govn. can help out here with the cost of laying one down.

 

[JeremiahTheGreat]

Ok, i'm sorry to do this but.. lookie here in australia.

512kbs connection
3Gb Download
ADSL

$50US...

Even your crappest plans are better than ours

-END RANT

 

[MadRat]

<<I think the US should completely overhaul the old copper network(from the 30's?) it has and adopt fibre optics.
Maybe the govn. can help out here with the cost of laying one down.>>

Hey, we could use new alot of things. Rather than change an old system the new system lays down right next to the old and the latter stagnates but never recycles... America ends up with a plethora of competing stale technologies and in the meanwhile Europe and Asia seems to get all the goodies. Those old copper transit lines (POTS?) are like any other form of communications system in America. Some examples off the top of my head are the NTSC format for televisions, railroad track width, wireless phones, cellular phones, and beeper technology.

 

[Athlon30]

Hong Kong doesn't have a 3G phone service, but KanTo, KanSai and Fukuoka have in Japan. Why don't you complain about HK, and the rest of Japan which is left out? I'm sure the consumers here in HK, and "way out" places like Sapporo are screaming because they don't have 3G.

--- i didn't say Hongkong already have 3G phone service, I said will have it before US.
--- one more thing, in Hongong, your working cell phone can switch to any service provider. In US, you can NOT do that. there are only 3 major wireless phone service ATT, Sprint, Voicestream, they all use different and incompatible standards. IF you want switch from ATT to Voicestream, you have to buy a new cell phone. Or switch from Sprint to ATT, you need to buy new one too. there is no such cell phone that can be used on all standards.
--- beside SMS, MMS can't send across either, this is why the volume of SMS in US is only 7% of rest of the world.

If this sort of thing worries you so much, WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE? IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

what is price of samsung DDR 400 or DDR 333 in Hongkong?

 

[Tbirdkid]

My honest opinion on this is that this thread is a waste of time. The size of america compared to the size of Japan is immeasurable. They not only are smaller but their houses are closer together. I think the cable i got is pretty good at 2mbps. It could be better however I am pretty happy with it. If you arent happy with it then go live in Hong Kong where you will have less land, less money, and live in probably one of the worst places for air quality in the world. Each country has its goods and bads. We in my opinion have better choices with more stuff. Do you think you could afford the awesome rig you may have there in japan? Probably not because a 1000sq foot townhouse in japan will run you $250K. So i doubt you would have the money to buy all the nice stuff you got here. Not to mention have the room for it and a desk in that small @#$ place you would live in. Just my opinion.... Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Athlon30]

actually we have this thing called the internet, and i'd say we have a bit over 200+ cases to choose from


---sure, you do, but from across the US. In Guangzhow, that's from 1 location.
--- even on the internet, how many colors you get??? ... you get 79 colors over there from 1 LOCATION. Which is better, you tell me?????

--- Do you have the CHOICE of choosing among 200+ mobo, 9 ram sink, 50+ fan, 200+ case FROM 1 LOCATION?????? competition is good for consumer.

 

[Athlon30]

quote
"My honest opinion on this is that this thread is a waste of time. The size of america compared to the size of Japan is immeasurable. They not only are smaller but their houses are closer together. I think the cable i got is pretty good at 2mbps. It could be better however I am pretty happy with it. If you arent happy with it then go live in Hong Kong where you will have less land, less money, and live in probably one of the worst places for air quality in the world. Each country has its goods and bads. We in my opinion have better choices with more stuff. Do you think you could afford the awesome rig you may have there in japan? Probably not because a 1000sq foot townhouse in japan will run you $250K. So i doubt you would have the money to buy all the nice stuff you got here. Not to mention have the room for it and a desk in that small @#$ place you would live in. Just my opinion.... Take it with a grain of salt. "

-- OK, US have big house, high wage, nice air.
therefore, it's consumers --
--don't get to use 6 -10Mbps boardband
--don't have the CHOICE of choosing among 300+ mobo, 60+ CPU sink, 25+ VGA sink,9 ram sink, 60+ fan, 200+ case FROM 1 LOCATION??????
--have to buy a new cell phone when switching service providers, ex: from ATT to Sprint or Voicestream

 

[AndyHui]

DDR 400?

Are you sure you are from Hong Kong? They DON'T sell the stuff here.

Samsung PC2700 DDR333 goes for HK$380 for 256MB. That's approximately US$50.

That's Samsung chips only. Nothing about the PCB. You can't get genuine Samsung RAM here without looking extremely hard for it.

 

[Tbirdkid]

how much is a pair of levis jeans over there? how much is everything over there? EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.. not to mention, a medium coke at mcdonalds is the same size as a large over there and cost more than a large here. Come on man, so you have to sacrifice a little with cellular and with your broadband service but you can turn around and put it up against the more important things in life and that is becoming wealthy. It is alot easier here than there you have to admit that. There is a reason you dont see that many fat people in Japan... hmmmmm why? They are saving their money to eat again later. Here you can get fat and not be rich. I think it is funny. I just came back from there and I hated it. What kind of food choices do you have over there? You cant hardly own a car over there, it costs too much. So you are forced to get around on a bike. I think you need to be looking at the big picture instead of looking at a few things that are better. Open up your mind danielsan. hai?

 

[Athlon30]

DDR 400?

Are you sure you are from Hong Kong? They DON'T sell the stuff here.

Samsung PC2700 DDR333 goes for HK$380 for 256MB. That's approximately US$50.

That's Samsung chips only. Nothing about the PCB. You can't get genuine Samsung RAM here without looking extremely hard for it.

-- I have not been hongkong for 3 months, In Guangzhow, 7 days ago, I know KingMax DDR 400 CL2 is 430 rmb = US $51
-- are you SURE no DDR 400 in all of Hongkong???

 

[AndyHui]

Who do you think I am?

 

[Athlon30]

quote
"how much is a pair of levis jeans over there? how much is everything over there? EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.. not to mention, a medium coke at mcdonalds is the same size as a large over there and cost more than a large here. Come on man, so you have to sacrifice a little with cellular and with your broadband service but you can turn around and put it up against the more important things in life and that is becoming wealthy. It is alot easier here than there you have to admit that. There is a reason you dont see that many fat people in Japan... hmmmmm why? They are saving their money to eat again later. Here you can get fat and not be rich. I think it is funny. I just came back from there and I hated it. What kind of food choices do you have over there? You cant hardly own a car over there, it costs too much. So you are forced to get around on a bike. I think you need to be looking at the big picture instead of looking at a few things that are better. Open up your mind danielsan. hai? "

--I didn't mention Japan, it was andy.
--I am comparing the consumer choices in Hongkong, China vs US, not Japan vs US.
US has high wage, big house, cheap McDonald, therefore, no choice to choose among 300+ mobo, 300+ cases.
----US don't have the CHOICE of choosing among 300+ mobos, 60+ CPU sinks, 25+ VGA sinks,9 ram sinks, 60+ fans, 200+ cases from 3,000 independent venders in 1 LOCATION ?????? ... Guangzhow, and other major cities in China has the choice.
--competition in 1 location foster better prices, better service, higher quality and more variety.
--you have to buy a new cell phone when switching service providers, ex: from ATT to Sprint or Voicestream ...US consumers are scr*wed. the whole system in US is screwed up.

Questions for you

-- when you get your big rig, how many colors you get to choose??? beige or black...hahahhah
-- I am all for CONSUMERS, Are you a consumer yourself? Are you for high price, bad service, and less variety?
-- ARE YOU anti-choice and pro-monopoly???
-- Do you like to buy a new cell phone every time switch service provider??

 

[AndyHui]

You need to get your priorities in life right if computer parts and Internet connection speeds are so important to you.