US role in Korean ship Cheonan sinking

[MotF Bane]

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LMAO. Fucking win.

 

[gaidensensei]

I don't think he's admitted to being North Korean, but he's here in the USA, and continually bitching about how much his life here sucks, blaming the USA for his life sucking, and believing every scrap of propaganda the North Korean government shits out. You'd probably have to do some digging through his post history, but some of his posts are funny as hell.

Hmm.. NK topics really seem to rile him up. Nemesis 1 should participate in those.

 

[palehorse]

Lawl post is full of lawl! :biggrin:

 

[JEDIYoda]

By Kim Myong Chol

Despite its strong denial of any involvement and expressions of sympathy for lost fellow Koreans, fingers are being pointed at North Korea over the tragic sinking of the 1,200-ton South Korean corvette Cheonan in the West Sea or Yellow Sea on the night of March 26.

"A North Korean torpedo attack was the most likely cause for the sinking of a South Korean warship last month," an unnamed US military official told CNN on April 26. Up to 46 of the ship's 104 sailors were killed in the sinking.

Apparently, North Korea is being set up as the fall guy in an incident that is so mysterious that a Los Angeles Times April 26 story datelined Seoul was headlined, "James Bond Theories Arise in Korean Ship Sinking".

So far, no hard evidence has been produced linking North Korea



to the disaster. However, this has not stopped media and experts from holding the North responsible. The South Korean daily Chosun Ilbo wrote on April 29, "It is difficult to imagine a country other than North Korea launching a torpedo attack against a South Korean warship."

Revealing circumstantial evidence
Is it possible that North Korea carried out the daring act of torpedoing a South Korean corvette participating in a US-South Korean war exercise? The answer is a categorical no. The circumstantial evidence is quite revealing, showing who is the more likely culprit.

Mission impossible
There are four important points that make it clear that a North Korean submarine did not sink the South Korean corvette.

Fact 1.North Korean submarines are not stealthy enough to penetrate heavily guarded South Korean waters at night and remain undetected by the highly touted anti-submarine warfare units of the American and South Korean forces. A North Korean submarine would be unable to outmaneuver an awesome array of high-tech Aegis warships, identify the corvette Cheonan and then slice it in two with a torpedo before escaping unscathed, leaving no trace of its identity.

Fact 2. The sinking took place not in North Korean waters but well inside tightly guarded South Korean waters, where a slow-moving North Korean submarine would have great difficulty operating covertly and safely, unless it was equipped with AIP (air-independent propulsion) technology.

Fact 2: The disaster took place precisely in the waters where what the Pentagon has called "one of the world's largest simulated exercises" was underway. This war exercise, known as "Key Resolve/Foal Eagle" did not end on March 18 as was reported but actually ran from March 18 to April 30.

Fact 3: The Key Resolve/Foal Eagle exercise on the West Sea near the Northern Limit Line (NLL) was aimed at keeping a more watchful eye on North Korea as well as training for the destruction of weapons of mass destruction in the North. It involved scores of shiny, ultra-modern US and South Korean warships equipped with the latest technology
.

Among the fleet were four Aegis ships: the USS Shiloh (CG-67), a 9,600-ton Ticonderoga class cruiser, the USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG-54), a 6,800-ton Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer, the USS Lassen, a 9,200-ton Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer and Sejong the Great, a 8,500-ton South Korean guided-missile destroyer.

The four surface ships are the most important assets of the two navies
, and have multi-mission platforms capable of conducting various tasks, such as anti-submarine warfare. There is every likelihood that they were supported by nuclear-powered US submarines and a South Korean "Type 214" submarine that uses AIP technology.

The sinking of the Cheonan has made headlines around the world. If indeed it was a US accident, it is an embarrassing indictment of the accuracy of the expensive weapons systems of the US, the world's leading arms exporter. It has also cost the Americans credibility as the South's superpower guardian. Ironically, this has made North Korean-made weapons more attractive on the international market.

The South Koreans and the Americans charging the North Koreans with the sinking of the naval vessel in South Korean waters only highlights the poor performance of their expensive Aegis warships, as well as the futility of the US-South Korean joint war games and the US military presence in Korea.

Fact 4: Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg said on March 30 that he doubted there was North Korean involvement in the sinking: "Obviously the full investigation needs to go forward. But to my knowledge, there's no reason to believe or to be concerned that that may have been the cause."

General Walter Sharp, US Forces Korea (USFK) commander, also saw no link between North Korea and the sinking. In an April 6 press conference, he said: "We, as Combined Forces Command and the ROK [Republic of Korea] Joint Chief of Staff, watch North Korea very closely every single day of the year and we continue to do that right now. And again, as this has been said, we see no unusual activity at this time."

No motivation for vengeance
There have been misplaced reports that the sinking was an act of retaliation for a naval skirmish in November last year "in which the North came off worse", as reported by the Times of London on April 22.

As a North Korean navy officer, Kim Gwang-il, recalled on North Korean television on Armed Forces Day, April 25: "[In that incident] a warship of our navy single-handedly faced up to several enemy warships, to guard the NLL ... [The North's warship] inflicted merciless blows on them in a show of the might of the heroic Korean People's Army (KPA) Navy."

The first duty of the KPA is to prevent war while jealously safeguarding the territorial air, sea and land of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, as this safeguards the peace and security of the Korean Peninsula.

The Korean People's Army Navy would not attack South Korean or American warships unless provoked, since these vessels carry innocent soldiers on the high seas. True, the KPA Navy would be justified in torpedoing a US Aegis ship or a nuclear-powered submarine if one were caught red-handed. But the KPA Navy would not stoop to infringing on South Korean waters to attack a South Korean ship at random, unless it had returned there after committing hostile acts against North Korea.

Friendly fire
Seven facts indicate friendly fire as the most likely cause of the naval disaster. It may be no exaggeration to say that the South Korean president and his military leaders have shed crocodile tears over the dead South Korean sailors.

A torpedo could have been launched from any of the American or South Korean warships or warplanes taking part in the Foal Eagle exercise alongside the hapless Cheonan.

The four Aegis ships and most South Korean warships carry Mark 46 torpedoes, which have improved shallow-water performance for anti-submarine warfare and anti-ship operations.

General Sharp had issued on March 4 a five-point safety message warning that "a single accident can undermine the training benefits you will receive during KR/FE '10. Remain vigilant and engaged."

It appears that Sharp's warning came true, and the US repeated the kind of friendly fire incident for which it is notorious in Iraq and Afghanistan.

After the ship disaster happened on the night of March 26, Sharp promptly cut a visit to Washington to testify at congress to fly back to Seoul, according to the March 30 edition of Kyonggi Ilbo.

President Barack Obama then called his South Korean counterpart on April 1, ostensibly to express condolences over the ship disaster, but also to offer him the privilege of hosting the next nuclear security summit in 2012, as was reported by Joong Ang Ilbo on April 14.

Obama made this offer one week before he and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a nuclear arms reduction treaty in Prague, and two weeks before the 2010 nuclear security summit took place in Washington.

When Obama announced his decision to select South Korea as host of the next major nuclear security summit in 2012, Agence France-Presse reported that "the announcement surprised many". Most observers presumed that Russia would lead the next meeting.

The most plausible explanation is that Obama offered South Korea the summit due to an overriding need to mollify otherwise possible South Korean resentment at the friendly fire sinking, while covering up the US's involvement in a friendly fire torpedo attack. Most probably, Sharp reported to Obama the potentially disastrous consequences of the public discovering the true nature of the incident. This would likely lead to a massive wave of anti-American sentiment and put Obama and South Korean President Lee Myung-bak in an extremely awkward situation.

Obama must have felt relieved at the South Korean president's ready acceptance of his offer of compensation. One article carried in the April 14 edition of Joong Ang Ilbo was headlined "Veep Biden Says LMB [Lee Myung-bak] Is Obama's Favorite Man". The comment was made by Biden on April 12, one day before the nuclear summit.

Sharp unexpectedly attended the April 3 funeral of a South Korean rescue diver, Han Ju Ho, who died while participating in the search for missing sailors from the corvette. Sharp was seen consoling the bereaved family in an unprecedented expression of sympathy.

Joong Ang Ilbo reported on April 27 that the South Korean government would deal strictly with rumors rampant on the Internet that a collision with a US nuclear submarine had caused the sinking.

The best solution is for the South Korean government team investigating the ship disaster to find an old mine responsible. It is easy to falsely accuse North Korea, but public pressure will mount for military reprisals against North Korea, which will promptly react by turning Seoul into a sea of fire in less than five minutes. North Korea would not flinch from using nuclear arms in the event of US involvement.

Kim Myong Chol is author of a number of books and papers in Korean, Japanese and English on North Korea, including Kim Jong-il's Strategy for Reunification. He has a PhD from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea's Academy of Social Sciences and is often called an "unofficial" spokesman of Kim Jong-il and North Korea.

Your probably one of them 9/11 truthers also.......hahahhaaaaa
It`s dickwads like you who post threads basewd on somebodys blog with actual fact or substance!!

 

[AzN]

This is the same NK that kidnapped at least 13 Japanese citizens.

The same NK that attacked and killed two American officers over the trimming of a tree within the DMZ.

The same NK that tried to assassinate SK President Park Chung Hee in 1968.

The same NK that has built at least 4 tunnels under the DMZ.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. The North Koreans have a LONG history of provoking the south and causing trouble.

Umm. That's nice.

US of Gays committed genocide,

US of turds lynched blacks.

US of Gays had chinese exclusion act.

US of Gays gathered entire Asian population in concentration camps when you were at war with Japan.

Should I go on?

US govt. is the worst of the kind. They think they have power so do will do whatever as they please. Long as you don't get caught right? That's what you use your media for! FUCK USA!!!!

 

[AzN]

This whole thread is based on an article by an unofficial spokesman of Kim Jong-il??

Give me a break...

Hey MODS!! No original commentary... lock it up

Oh right you need unofficial spokesman of American turds to be official.

Give me a break.

 

[AzN]

Your probably one of them 9/11 truthers also.......hahahhaaaaa
It`s dickwads like you who post threads basewd on somebodys blog with actual fact or substance!!

Does US of turds have evidence that NK sunk SK ship but they pointed their fingers anyway. HA!

Fucking hypocrites. Go suck an egg!

 

[werepossum]

Mods, this guy SERIOUSLY needs to be banned for life. His IP, and any other IPs owned by his service provider, needs to be banned. His very existence forms a black hole of ignorance and hate which sucks the intelligence from any threads near his, and anyone with the extreme bad luck to choose one of his threads as their first ATP&N is unlikely to try a second.

Think of the children!

 

[AzN]

Mods, this guy SERIOUSLY needs to be banned for life. His IP, and any other IPs owned by his service provider, needs to be banned. His very existence forms a black hole of ignorance and hate which sucks the intelligence from any threads near his, and anyone with the extreme bad luck to choose one of his threads as their first ATP&N is unlikely to try a second.

Think of the children!

It's OK for American turds to bash or point your fingers at North Korea right which I see every time an article comes about them. :sneaky: Fucking hypocrites.

Think of your children. You've literally killed millions upon millions of people so your fat ass can drive your gas guzzling cars to McDonald's. :hmm:

What do you teach your children? "Oh we fight for freedom and the American way" LOL You make me sick!

 

[Pocatello]

It's OK for American turds to bash or point your fingers at North Korea right which I see every time an article comes about them. :sneaky: Fucking hypocrites.

Think of your children. You've literally killed millions upon millions of people so your fat ass can drive your gas guzzling cars to McDonald's. :hmm:

What do you teach your children? "Oh we fight for freedom and the American way" LOL You make me sick!

You forgot to mention people sitting on their asses and play computer games and post on the internet, lazy f@ckers! Hey I really your youtube video. Very nice flying!

 

[Thump553]

At last I can disagree with PJ in this thread. Don't lock it up, it shows the scary unreality the leader of NK and powerless flakes like AzN dwell upon.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I don't think he's admitted to being North Korean, but he's here in the USA, and continually bitching about how much his life here sucks, blaming the USA for his life sucking, and believing every scrap of propaganda the North Korean government shits out. You'd probably have to do some digging through his post history, but some of his posts are funny as hell.

Except for the North Korean references, you could be describing Dave McOwned as well.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's OK for American turds to bash or point your fingers at North Korea right which I see every time an article comes about them. :sneaky: Fucking hypocrites.

Is this serious or a joke? Are you defending North Korea? WOW.

Think of your children. You've literally killed millions upon millions of people so your fat ass can drive your gas guzzling cars to McDonald's. :hmm:

WTF?!?! Would this be like the millions dying of starvation or in gulags (sorry, "re-education camps") in North Korea? Did Dear Leader release you from one of those re-education camps to flood the internet with your propaganda?

What do you teach your children? "Oh we fight for freedom and the American way" LOL You make me sick!

If you're here in the US, you are free to leave if you don't like it. No one is forcing you to stay here.

 

[StageLeft]

[snip] Should I go on?

I think I speak for almost everybody when I say please do.

I was looking at up pictures of North Korea right now and a very poignant question came to me. It is: Would you hit it?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Kim Myong Chol is author of a number of books and papers in Korean, Japanese and English on North Korea, including Kim Jong-il's Strategy for Reunification. He has a PhD from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea's Academy of Social Sciences and is often called an "unofficial" spokesman of Kim Jong-il and North Korea.

LOL. OK, now I get it -- you're joking! Seriously? You're quoting this clown who has a "PhD" from what is probably Kim Jong-il's favorite propaganda programming center? A clown known to basically be Kim's unofficial mouthpiece? Is he your dad or are you, in fact, this "Dr."?

LOL, some people. You must be the North Korean version of Dave McOwned.

 

[Kappo]

It's OK for American turds to bash or point your fingers at North Korea right which I see every time an article comes about them. :sneaky: Fucking hypocrites.

Think of your children. You've literally killed millions upon millions of people so your fat ass can drive your gas guzzling cars to McDonald's. :hmm:

What do you teach your children? "Oh we fight for freedom and the American way" LOL You make me sick!

You have been on this thread too long. Orange. Chicken. Make it now, please.

 

[AzN]

Is this serious or a joke? Are you defending North Korea? WOW.

Do you think I'm joking? :twisted:

WTF?!?! Would this be like the millions dying of starvation or in gulags (sorry, "re-education camps") in North Korea? Did Dear Leader release you from one of those re-education camps to flood the internet with your propaganda?

Let's go to source of the problem why those who are starving and dying in NK. You guessed it. US of turds sanctioning NK!

If you're here in the US, you are free to leave if you don't like it. No one is forcing you to stay here.

Go right ahead. LEAVE! Back to the caves of Europe!

 

[AzN]

I think I speak for almost everybody when I say please do.

I was looking at up pictures of North Korea right now and a very poignant question came to me. It is: Would you hit it?

Look at that street. So clean. Can't say the same thing about US. Cigarette butts and trash everywhere.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Do you think I'm joking? :twisted:

I wish you were.

Let's go to source of the problem why those who are starving and dying in NK. You guessed it. US of turds sanctioning NK!

Think again. North Korea's people are starving because of NORTH KOREA. North Korea's government can stop it at any time. You buffoons are all the same, no matter who you choose to stick up for -- North Korea, Iraq, etc. Sanctions are not the fault of the US; they are the fault of the country being sanctioned and compliance eliminates the sanctions.

Go right ahead. LEAVE! Back to the caves of Europe!

Why would I leave, you buffoon? You're the one clearly unhappy with the US, so you should be the one leaving. Why not go back to the paradise of North Korea? I hear Kim's giving great deals on mud huts this type of year.

Are you North Korean, or just some naive college kid duped by some whacko left-wing nutjob professor at a university?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Look at that street. So clean. Can't say the same thing about US. Cigarette butts and trash everywhere.

Yeah, North Korea is a beautiful place:

You do know that North Korea only allows pictures, journalists, etc. into certain places, right? I can show you thousands of images of the US that look nicer than that.

Again, if you are so unhappy with the US, please feel free to leave. I'd love to hear you shoot off your mouth over in North Korea when something arises that you don't agree with. Oh that's right, you wouldn't because you'd mysteriously "disappear" for a few years.

And of course, even if you were to go back to North Korea and wanted to voice displeasure, we'd never know since cell phones and internet access are so heavily restricted. What kind of backwards hellhole is that place?

 

[AzN]

Yeah, North Korea is a beautiful place:

You do know that North Korea only allows pictures, journalists, etc. into certain places, right? I can show you thousands of images of the US that look nicer than that.

Again, if you are so unhappy with the US, please feel free to leave. I'd love to hear you shoot off your mouth over in North Korea when something arises that you don't agree with. Oh that's right, you wouldn't because you'd mysteriously "disappear" for a few years.

LOL that's the 38th parallel. What did you expect. US of turds divided our country and look what you made it into. :thumbsdown:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

LOL that's the 38th parallel. What did you expect. US of turds divided our country and look what you made it into. :thumbsdown:

Yeah, dipshit, of course it is the 38th parallel. Why does the 38th parallel exist? Ask yourself that. Answer the questions. Let me REPEAT:

1. Are you North Korean?
2. Are you in the US?
3. If the answer to #2 is yes, why are you here?

My bet is you will dodge the questions above (again) and will once again be proven to be a coward.

 

[AzN]

I wish you were.

Think again. North Korea's people are starving because of NORTH KOREA. North Korea's government can stop it at any time. You buffoons are all the same, no matter who you choose to stick up for -- North Korea, Iraq, etc. Sanctions are not the fault of the US; they are the fault of the country being sanctioned and compliance eliminates the sanctions.

What donkey shit. NK can stop what? Defending their freedom to rule their own country?

Now it's not your fault for UN sanctions that's led by US? Your barbarism makes me laugh.

Why would I leave, you buffoon? You're the one clearly unhappy with the US, so you should be the one leaving. Why not go back to the paradise of North Korea?

Are you North Korean, or just some naive college kid duped by some whacko left-wing nutjob professor at a university?

It's called freedom of my own will you shit. I can leave or stay why the fuck do you care? You leave if you don't like me staying in your shit country!

What's with the personal insults? Buffoon? Ok pig!

 

[PottedMeat]

 

[AzN]

Yeah, dipshit, of course it is the 38th parallel. Why does the 38th parallel exist? Ask yourself that. Answer the questions. Let me REPEAT:

Because you divided our country you pig!

1. Are you North Korean?
2. Are you in the US?
3. If the answer to #2 is yes, why are you here?

My bet is you will dodge the questions above (again) and will once again be proven to be a coward.

1. Are you a pig?
2. Did you wipe out the locals to steal your land of opportunity?
3. If the answer to # 2 yes, go back to Europe

My bet is you will doge the questions above and will once again be a pig. :hmm: