UPS Fires 250 Workers Who Defended Fired Colleague

[poofyhairguy]

If I walk away from my job my employer should question what they are doing wrong. Of course, fascists like you think that a paycheck makes someone your indentured servant. The Nazis would have loved you.

Your posts were going at a so-so rate of one logical fallacy per argument until you got here and you cranked it up to 11!

I think my favorite part is not only did you blow past Godwin's Law, but you did it with the most inane Nazi comparison I have ever heard (the Nazi's never had anything to do with indentured servants).

Bravo good sir, please don't quit now.

 

[werepossum]

Your posts were going at a so-so rate of one logical fallacy per argument until you got here and you cranked it up to 11!

I think my favorite part is not only did you blow past Godwin's Law, but you did it with the most inane Nazi comparison I have ever heard (the Nazi's never had anything to do with indentured servants).

Bravo good sir, please don't quit now.

LOL +1

It always amuses me how many people think a paycheck is a right but actually working is doing your employer a favor.

 

[LetsGetReal]

If they are going to walk out to get their friend reinstated they should have stuck to their guns and not gone back to work until he was back at work. 270 UPS drivers sitting on their ass would cause quite a disruption in service. Whats the point of striking if you just go back to work before your demands are met. So much for solidarity. Fail.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yeah, that really got me going in the sense that Reagan was a six time president of the Screen Actor's Guild and was quoted as saying that "Union membership was one of the most elemental human rights".

Being a two faced fork tongued backstabber doesn't even begin to describe how he miraculously transformed himself into a union killing machine the minute he became a rising star in the Repub Party.

You obviously know nothing about the contract between the Air Traffic Controllers and the US Government and the NO STRIKE RULE.

The air traffic controllers were in the wrong, just like these assholes.

 

[pcgeek11]

If I walk away from my job my employer should question what they are doing wrong. Of course, fascists like you think that a paycheck makes someone your indentured servant. The Nazis would have loved you.

That is funny!

 

[shortylickens]

LOL +1

It always amuses me how many people think a paycheck is a right but actually working is doing your employer a favor.

Thats a nice little symptom of our selfish/ignorant society.
People have no clue how economics works.

 

[BoomerD]

Well...that didn't take long...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/250-workers-ups-fired-last-033600667.html

UPS has reversed its firing of 250 workers for taking part in a 90-minute strike in February, the company told Business Insider on Wednesday.

The reversal comes following a public uproar over the mass firing, which we reported on last week. UPS officials decided to rehire the workers as part of an agreement reached Wednesday in a meeting with union officials.

" The 250 UPS employees involved in the walkout who were terminated for their actions will have their terminations reduced to a two week suspension without pay for each participant," UPS spokesman Steve Gaut told Business Insider in an email. "UPS has chosen to settle the matter in order to return to normal operations at the site."

As part of the agreement, the local branch of the union representing the workers, Teamsters Local 804, will compensate UPS for damages associated with the Feb. 26 walkout, Gaut said.

 

[Zargon]

while I think the firing was legally OK, this seems more appropriate

 

[crashtech]

Yeah, even for big company like UPS, filling 250 vacancies in short order would be quite a challenge.

 

[smackababy]

I am against this reversal wholeheartedly (which is one word... learn something new every day). UPS needs to find a backbone. Employees acted inappropriately and should be fired.

 

[werepossum]

Thats a nice little symptom of our selfish/ignorant society.
People have no clue how economics works.

Yep.

Well...that didn't take long...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/250-workers-ups-fired-last-033600667.html

Seems to me that is good news all around. The workers keep their jobs and pay a more appropriate penalty, UPS keeps its thoroughly trained drivers while letting everyone know this is not acceptable behavior, and the union protected its people and negotiated a reasonable way for them to keep their jobs. Everybody wins. Well, except the folks at the unemployment office.

I had absolutely no problem with UPS firing them, but this seems like a much better plan for everybody.

 

[shortylickens]

while I think the firing was legally OK, this seems more appropriate

It was done cuz of the bad press. I bet all of them get slowly pushed out over the next couple of years.
Nice and quiet, no public scandal.

 

[unokitty]

Well...that didn't take long...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/250-workers-ups-fired-last-033600667.html

Good to see.

Uno

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It was done cuz of the bad press. I bet all of them get slowly pushed out over the next couple of years.
Nice and quiet, no public scandal.

Looks like a fair decision too, I wonder if an arbitrator was involved. Company decides not to fire workers. Which I'd bet there are other workers over recent time that have walked off the job or reported back from break late and they didn't get fired Union is paying for lost work and other lost monies. To me this is a pretty fair conclusion.

 

[brycejones]

Seems to me that is good news all around. The workers keep their jobs and pay a more appropriate penalty, UPS keeps its thoroughly trained drivers while letting everyone know this is not acceptable behavior, and the union protected its people and negotiated a reasonable way for them to keep their jobs. Everybody wins. Well, except the folks at the unemployment office.

I had absolutely no problem with UPS firing them, but this seems like a much better plan for everybody.

Agreed

 

[trenchfoot]

You obviously know nothing about the contract between the Air Traffic Controllers and the US Government and the NO STRIKE RULE.

The air traffic controllers were in the wrong, just like these assholes.

I absolutely know of the situation with the air traffic controllers strike as it was part of the training seminar I went through to become a union business agent, and I agree with you that the UPS workers or their agents had a serious lapse in judgement.

However, my comments had nothing to do with that fact. My comments were specifically aimed at your use of Reagan as an example in support of your commentary. IMO, it was a poor choice with my knowing how he turned coat on his fellow union members in the Actor's Guild the moment he focused on his political aspirations.

Betrayal beyond the pale for seeking approval of those who he felt he needed to elevate his social standing with for political gain is in my view, despicable.

 

[yllus]

Interesting re: the reversal. Except in the eyes of random people like us, I imagine UPS still won this fight by a long shot. None of those 250 will dream of striking at UPS again. Not sure it's worth the bad blood that they'll carry for years, though.

As I recall, the air traffic controllers had a no strike clause in there contracts, and were told that they'd be fired for a strike. They decided to walk out anyway, believing they were irreplaceable, they were mistaken in that belief.

I don't know why you would think Regan would support breaking a contract and paralyzing air traffic in the US just because he was a union leader.

I'm not old enough to have lived through this as an adult, so I have a question: How does firing 11,000 not paralyze air traffic in the U.S.? Wouldn't air traffic stop... trafficking for like a full two months after this happened?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

^^I wasn't a adult but I remember National Guard people standing in and I believe many were rehired. I cannot comment on delays.

 

[Miramonti]

Getting fired because you demonstrated your loyalty to one of your colleagues, isn't a bad reason to be fired.

No, but it's a bad reason to not pay your mortgage.

 

[brycejones]

^^I wasn't a adult but I remember National Guard people standing in and I believe many were rehired. I cannot comment on delays.

No they were not rehired. Its a big reason the FAA has a serious problem with staff retiring now because controllers who were hired after Reagan fired the strikers are now at mandatory retirement age.

 

[werepossum]

Interesting re: the reversal. Except in the eyes of random people like us, I imagine UPS still won this fight by a long shot. None of those 250 will dream of striking at UPS again. Not sure it's worth the bad blood that they'll carry for years, though.

I'm not old enough to have lived through this as an adult, so I have a question: How does firing 11,000 not paralyze air traffic in the U.S.? Wouldn't air traffic stop... trafficking for like a full two months after this happened?

He brought in military and National Guard air traffic controllers until new civilian air traffic controllers were hired, trained and certified.

 

[Zorkorist]

Takes a lot of balls to do what UPS did. I've always heard they are a hard employer to work for and demand a days work for a days pay.

-John

 

[pcgeek11]

^^I wasn't a adult but I remember National Guard people standing in and I believe many were rehired. I cannot comment on delays.

The Military air traffic controllers filled the void. NONE were rehired.

Lots of lights were cancelled, but those were figured out shortly.