UPS Fires 250 Workers Who Defended Fired Colleague

[shortylickens]

those 230 should walk immediately. Let UPS figure out how to deal with a huge drop in deliveries.

 

[pcgeek11]

This reeks of the Air Traffic Controllers that thought they wouldn't get fired either. LOL These dumb asses deserved it too! Stupid unions.

"Reagan fires 11,000 striking air traffic controllers Aug. 5, 1981"

That was also well deserved.

 

[trenchfoot]

This reeks of the Air Traffic Controllers that thought they wouldn't get fired either. LOL These dumb asses deserved it too! Stupid unions.

"Reagan fires 11,000 striking air traffic controllers Aug. 5, 1981"

That was also well deserved.

Yeah, that really got me going in the sense that Reagan was a six time president of the Screen Actor's Guild and was quoted as saying that "Union membership was one of the most elemental human rights".

Being a two faced fork tongued backstabber doesn't even begin to describe how he miraculously transformed himself into a union killing machine the minute he became a rising star in the Repub Party.

 

[shortylickens]

He's not two-faced. Your perspective changes a great deal when you're THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD and your decisions actually become meaningful.

 

[Greenman]

Yeah, that really got me going in the sense that Reagan was a six time president of the Screen Actor's Guild and was quoted as saying that "Union membership was one of the most elemental human rights".

Being a two faced fork tongued backstabber doesn't even begin to describe how he miraculously transformed himself into a union killing machine the minute he became a rising star in the Repub Party.

As I recall, the air traffic controllers had a no strike clause in there contracts, and were told that they'd be fired for a strike. They decided to walk out anyway, believing they were irreplaceable, they were mistaken in that belief.

I don't know why you would think Regan would support breaking a contract and paralyzing air traffic in the US just because he was a union leader.

 

[TerryMathews]

As I recall, the air traffic controllers had a no strike clause in there contracts, and were told that they'd be fired for a strike. They decided to walk out anyway, believing they were irreplaceable, they were mistaken in that belief.

I don't know why you would think Regan would support breaking a contract and paralyzing air traffic in the US just because he was a union leader.

Because to many here team politics trump right and wrong.

 

[brycejones]

As I recall, the air traffic controllers had a no strike clause in there contracts, and were told that they'd be fired for a strike. They decided to walk out anyway, believing they were irreplaceable, they were mistaken in that belief.

I don't know why you would think Regan would support breaking a contract and paralyzing air traffic in the US just because he was a union leader.

I agree with this.

 

[Fern]

You guys are right, they deserved to be fired. Now, will I see you in the inevitable unemployment claims went up thread bitching about these people stealing your money? Good deal, I look forward to the stimulating conversation.

pfft

FYI if you're fired for cause you don't qualify for unemployment insurance benefits.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

As I recall, the air traffic controllers had a no strike clause in there contracts, and were told that they'd be fired for a strike. They decided to walk out anyway, believing they were irreplaceable, they were mistaken in that belief.

I don't know why you would think Reagan would support breaking a contract and paralyzing air traffic in the US just because he was a union leader.

+1

Nobody gives a flying ferret fuck if actors go out on strike. Air traffic controllers are totally different.

 

[TerryMathews]

FYI if you're fired for cause you don't qualify for unemployment insurance benefits.

Fern

Only in cases of "gross negligence" of which whatever state agency is in charge of benefits has sole determination of on a case by case basis.

Based on a few of the incidents I dealt with on the employers side (never had a strike though...) this wouldn't be entirely cut and dry.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

FYI if you're fired for cause you don't qualify for unemployment insurance benefits.

Fern

Yeah, never walked that road before so I wasn't aware of that. Still, the general idea of my statement remains perfectly valid and accurate. The simple fact here is this was an abusive move by management and it shouldn't take a union to give workers some modicum of rights to stand up for themselves. This is the entire reason there was a union movement, why there was a civil rights movement, why there is now a liberty movement.

People will only remain caged for so long.

 

[Drako]

People will only remain caged for so long.

Wow, what a drama queen. Explain how these UPS workers are caged - this should be good. :biggrin:

 

[Conscript]

There's no inherent skill in driving and delivering packages...if 250 want to walk out, there are 250 more people looking for work that will be more than happy to take their jobs. Next time if you care so much, protest on your off time...that shows your resolve much more anyway.

 

[Exterous]

Equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.

The fact that no one else thinks this is a constitutional issue should be your first clue that you have gone off the deep end. Also the amendment applies to equal protection by established laws. It makes no provision preventing states from bargaining lower penalties for offenders. If it did the IRS couldn't make deals with tax offenders and the us attorneys couldn't make deals with criminal offenders

 

[WaTaGuMp]

This is total BS, I am never using UPS again, unless I have to ship something.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Wow, what a drama queen. Explain how these UPS workers are caged - this should be good. :biggrin:

Ever heard of freedom of speech? They have the right to express themselves and should have a right to have their grievances heard. Of course, in corporate (i.e. FASCIST) America you get fired if you speak up, ever.

That is a metaphorical cage, and that cage will only hold for so long.

 

[TerryMathews]

Ever heard of freedom of speech? They have the right to express themselves and should have a right to have their grievances heard. Of course, in corporate (i.e. FASCIST) America you get fired if you speak up, ever.

That is a metaphorical cage, and that cage will only hold for so long.

So. These guys should keep their jobs because of "freedom of speech".

What about the Mozilla CEO? Sword cuts both ways, friend.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Guys again this didn't appear to be a Union sponsored event. All contracts have no walkout clauses, its the first thing Management wants just like step (pay increases) are the first thing Unions want. Generally in the modern age walkouts only happen when a contract expires and that is usually month's after no progress at the bargaining table. I am very confident UPS uses arbitrators to settle disagreements like the original firings.
Once an agreement is reached its each parties job to not violate it. Again there are numerous other ways to deal with this and a walkout needs to be reserved for extreme situations where all else has failed. UPS has poked their Union in the eye they can expect that their next contract will be more complicated to avoid this happening again which is unfortunate because its in everyone's best interest to keep the contract as brief and simple as possible. When Management screws crap up it only adds complexity to the next contract which ultimately makes it more expensive to comply and longer time to negotiate.

 

[Zaap]

What about the Mozilla CEO? Sword cuts both ways, friend.

Good point. Haven't we learned from the "tolerant" left that you can fire anyone for any reason- like disliking the fact that they took a different side of a political issue as you, five years ago?

So now it's back to wanting it both ways? That was quick.

 

[boomerang]

So. These guys should keep their jobs because of "freedom of speech".

What about the Mozilla CEO? Sword cuts both ways, friend.

You're my hero of the day. Well done! :thumbsup:

 

[PokerGuy]

Ever heard of freedom of speech? They have the right to express themselves and should have a right to have their grievances heard.

Of course they do, just like anyone else. If they want to do that, they can do it on their time, not while on the clock. This isn't rocket science, if you walk away from your job without permission, you should get canned.

Freedom of speech doesn't equal lack of consequences for your actions.

 

[Jimzz]

Of course they do, just like anyone else. If they want to do that, they can do it on their time, not while on the clock. This isn't rocket science, if you walk away from your job without permission, you should get canned.

Freedom of speech doesn't equal lack of consequences for your actions.

:thumbsup:

And if there contract did have a no walk/strike clause then their firing will be upheld.

I still laugh that UPS told them they would be fired when their replacements were trained. I'm guessing everyone of their trucks will hit every pothole in NY from now till then.

 

[werepossum]

This is total BS, I am never using UPS again, unless I have to ship something.

Lol +1

 

[Pr0d1gy]

if you walk away from your job without permission, you should get canned.

If I walk away from my job my employer should question what they are doing wrong. Of course, fascists like you think that a paycheck makes someone your indentured servant. The Nazis would have loved you.

 

[crashtech]

It's odd to me how some view employment as a kind of reverse slavery, where the worker is no longer owned by the master, but the rights to a portion of the employer's bank account are somehow owned by the worker in perpetuity.

In a strictly meritocratic and egalitarian society, an employment relationship is consensual, and can be ended at any time by either party. Anything beyond this would be spelled out via a mutually agreeable contract or government interference.

There's no coercion here, no threat of force. It's incomprehensible that anyone would feel the need to invoke the Third Reich in reference to this incident. Apparently Godwin's Law has still not had its intended effect.