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UPS Fires 250 Workers Who Defended Fired Colleague

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You know, I was reading about this, and they are unionized, so why in the hell didn't they have these folks stage a protest or legal walk out within the terms of their unionized agreement?

I think they seriously messed up with this one. Hence the green light to fire people. But had they stuck to their contract terms on staged protests or walk outs or Strike terms (which they can legally do without fear of being fired for) they would be protected from being fired.
 
Oldgamer said:
You know, I was reading about this, and they are unionized, so why in the hell didn't they have these folks stage a protest or legal walk out within the terms of their unionized agreement?

I think they seriously messed up with this one. Hence the green light to fire people. But had they stuck to their contract terms on staged protests or walk outs or Strike terms (which they can legally do without fear of being fired for) they would be protected from being fired.
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Really. That's what l don't understand. Normally, I would sympathize, but it seems this was not a union sactioned walkout.
 
Pr0d1gy said:
They were fired for practicing dissent before their corporate plantation owners.
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As a guy who managed many, many bargained for (unionized employees) from what I have read they were wrong. Essentially they walked off their jobs to show support which is never in any agreement. There are other ways they could have shown support, even the everyone calls out sick for an afternoon or work slow downs which are also not endorsed by any agreement but they are vague enough to make a point without putting your job at risk. This whole action was not planned too well by these people.
Yes the company was a bit heavy handed for firing all of them and I'd expect their next contract negotiations to be more difficult because of it.
 
hal2kilo said:
Really. That's what l don't understand. Normally, I would sympathize, but it seems this was not a union sactioned walkout.
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I don't think it was a Union sponsored walk out. The contracts usually have arbitrators decided if a firing was legitimate or not. With my previous employer it was hit or miss sometimes the union was found to be correct and other time not. Either the Union originally felt there was no merit to bring the original firings to an arbitrator or the process is on going. No contract is going to allow walk outs.
 
senseamp said:
So does UPS. Parking rules. No exceptions for them either, since they are such sticklers for the rules.
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In their defense I have to imagine it would be nearly impossible to do their job if they were only allowed to park in designated spaces. I did a different type of delivery that covered Detroit to Ann Arbor and parking an oversized vehicle legally was almost always impossible in many areas due to a lack of parking so I can only imagine what a mess it would be in New York
 
Exterous said:
In their defense I have to imagine it would be nearly impossible to do their job if they were only allowed to park in designated spaces. I did a different type of delivery that covered Detroit to Ann Arbor and parking an oversized vehicle legally was almost always impossible in many areas due to a lack of parking so I can only imagine what a mess it would be in New York
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And UPS is doing what is not a bad thing. They aren't passing the tickets on to their employees and they aren't (at least, to my knowledge) buying votes to make exceptions for their trucks. They are simply working out a deal to pay the tickets (something I imagine is hard enough to get people to do) for a discount and file it under "cost of business".
 
Exterous said:
In their defense I have to imagine it would be nearly impossible to do their job if they were only allowed to park in designated spaces. I did a different type of delivery that covered Detroit to Ann Arbor and parking an oversized vehicle legally was almost always impossible in many areas due to a lack of parking so I can only imagine what a mess it would be in New York
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Do other delivery businesses get a break if they park illegally?
Rules are rules. UPS should not be above the law.
 
Exterous said:
In their defense I have to imagine it would be nearly impossible to do their job if they were only allowed to park in designated spaces. I did a different type of delivery that covered Detroit to Ann Arbor and parking an oversized vehicle legally was almost always impossible in many areas due to a lack of parking so I can only imagine what a mess it would be in New York
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Boston tickets them, I have seen UPS trucks with a crap load of parking tickets on them doing their deliveries. Cost of doing business.
 
Getting fired because you demonstrated your loyalty to one of your colleagues, isn't a bad reason to be fired.

But perhaps loyalty is out of fashion.

Then again, if you followed fashion, you would know that the term fired or unemployed is also out of fashion.

Or as the Obama Administration views it "... a job equals confinement and unemployment is liberation."

So please, UPS didn't 'fire' those 250 drivers. "It liberated them!"

Uno
 
rudder said:
In before Dmcown674
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lol. You really had to go out on a limb with this prediction, eh? :thumbsup:

Finding, hiring, and training 250 head counts will NOT be cheap for UPS or easy on management involved.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Spoken like a man who manages people, I salute you sir.
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Yes, had a dozen or so reports, 8 direct, at a "large Washington state based" software company before an injury and the resulting complications forced medical leave.

Personally I think management is very over rated. I viewed my job to be a firewall between my reports and manager, blocking b.s. going up the chain, and massaging as best as possible what comes down.

No need to name the company, but I miss it there much and they took very good care of us. I loved the attitude of.ownership at least our division used. There are no assigned hours, you simply were expected to maintain your area of ownership,engage in self improvement, make meetings, and a few more things. Great for those with kids and of course we could RAS in, if you had broadband 15-17 years ago and it questions quickly became ubiquitous in the area.

Reminds me of the first time being on the internet using bundled OC3's in '98. I think it was 8 OC3 lines bundled, a single is 155 megabits. Crazy speed for that long ago.
 
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Newell Steamer said:
They walked off the job,... they gave UPS a reason to fire them.

Next time, don't listen to the stupid business agent from that union.

Get signatures and petitions together,... schedule a daily protest each day (before / after work). Go to the local news, etc. But, don't give them a reason to fire you.

Go by the book and rules.

Actions like this will only make it worse for yourself.
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This - as surprising as I find agreeing with you. lol
 
soulcougher73 said:
This. If i know im being fired, ill just leave. Fuck the company firing me and expecting me to train the next person lol.
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I don't know, that could be quite amusing.

"Now, the secret is in the timing. You don't want to carry this package all the way into the building, so you wait until someone goes in or out. Then you can just throw the package in while the door is open. Since the computer will take anybody's signature, just sign for them. After all, you know you delivered it. But don't use your own name, use Barrack Obama or Jorge Borgoglio, someone people won't question.

Next, I'll show you how to make big packages fit through letter slots and why you should always use the back tires rather than the front to do it. Then we'll cover making room for your truck when there is nowhere to pull off."
 
Oldgamer said:
You know, I was reading about this, and they are unionized, so why in the hell didn't they have these folks stage a protest or legal walk out within the terms of their unionized agreement?

I think they seriously messed up with this one. Hence the green light to fire people. But had they stuck to their contract terms on staged protests or walk outs or Strike terms (which they can legally do without fear of being fired for) they would be protected from being fired.
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I've heard the union agreement has a 'no strike' clause and they were fired for violating that.

I now understand and agree with the firings.

Fern
 
You guys are right, they deserved to be fired. Now, will I see you in the inevitable unemployment claims went up thread bitching about these people stealing your money? Good deal, I look forward to the stimulating conversation.






pfft
 
Pr0d1gy said:
You guys are right, they deserved to be fired. Now, will I see you in the inevitable unemployment claims went up thread bitching about these people stealing your money? Good deal, I look forward to the stimulating conversation.






pfft
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250 were fired, 250 will be hired, no net change in unemployment numbers. The response seems a bit draconian to me. I'd be very pleased if they changed their minds and just docked everyone a days pay.
 
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