** UPDATE** Official 2014-15 NFL 'U LOST Bro'-owl Thread** Pats are SB Champs!!

[Retro Rob]

I wonder if that last minute pick was part of "God's plan" for Wilson and Chancellor to humble that baggery defense and sore-losing.

No doubt, there were a bunch of unanswered prayer Wilson sent up there during the 4th quarter.

 

[RampantAndroid]

and yet you're still trying to say that people don't hate you (New England fans) for you (emperus) being you (emperus, and thus NE fans by association)?

uh huh.

stay dickbaggy, I guess.

Just block him. Blocking certain people makes AT readable again.

 

[emperus]

I wonder if that last minute pick was part of "God's plan" for Wilson and Chancellor to humble that baggery defense and sore-losing.

No doubt, there were a bunch of unanswered prayer Wilson sent up there during the 4th quarter.

Lol. I can cosign that.

 

[Capt Caveman]

NE actually practiced against that play:

Malcolm Butler Says Patriots Scout Team Ran Same Short Yardage Pass, and He Got Beat

 

[dainthomas]

Ignore Emperus b/c he's a dumbass.

But haters and sore losers like you are the reason, I don't feel like being gracious. After all the crap, you give NE for their history of cheating which is a lie. Or please provide us with this history? And coming from a team that has a coach with a history of breaking the rules and cheating from USC to Seattle, I think it's hilarious. Yeah, Seattle didn't hold any illegal practices. Opposing coaches don't accuse the Seahawks of cheating - Jim Harbaugh on Seahawks: ‘If you cheat to win, you’ve already lost’

And all of your posts here and in the TB thread make you an uneducated hater, so I have no problem calling the Seahawks a stupid team. Call a play at the goal line that the NE 7th DB has studied and knows where the WR is going, so he jumps the route.

Instead of stuffing NE for a safety and a chance to win by a FG, Bennett goes offsides. And after the next play, stay classy Seattle Seahawk players. Bunch of punks that played stupid.

So, suck it! Boston is having another parade and it never gets old.

edit - love this comment on a ESPN article by a NO fan:

Their whole cheating history is a lie?

And please point out anything I've said that makes me look like a sore loser. You obviously have me confused with someone else.

Lastly, lol at a Pats fan talking about humility. As a group they are among the most arrogant blowhards you'll find anywhere. And listening to them go on about Seattle "bandwagon" fans is laughable given that 90% of them couldn't point out Drew Bledsoe in a lineup. I'm sure they'll go back to being Cowboys or Packers fans once Brady retires in a couple years.

 

[emperus]

So, the Pats will have to play the SeaHawks next year. So all the prognosticators will get a chance to see a replay of the matchup.

 

[emperus]

and yet you're still trying to say that people don't hate you (New England fans) for you (emperus) being you (emperus, and thus NE fans by association)?

uh huh.

stay dickbaggy, I guess.

I don't care what you think. The Patriots are a classy team and if you feel the need to hate a team that does things the right way because of how you think the fans are, then it seems you have other issues with the team or yourself. What makes it even stupider is that you turn around and can root for Seattle who's team is the personification of unclassy and full of players who are Jerks. Makes a lot of sense right?

So, just block me and be done with it. My team won and by the rules od sports etiquette I'm entitled to talk trash.

 

[lupi]

At least everything I've seen today is killing carroll for the no-run decision, so we have that going for us.

And it was a pretty good pop performance half time show.

 

[holden j caufield]

Still don't understand the call, it's not about it working or not.

It's all about the Risk vs Reward and opportunity cost.

1) pass play options, score td, get sacked, drop pass, deflected pass, deflected pass to int, or int

2) run options are score td, take a small loss of yds, fumble (half the time you recover your own I think)

Obviously the worst options are deflected into an INT, INT, fumble.

My opinion is deflected into an INT probability is 6%, INT probabilty is another 6%. Fumble is probably 3/100 times and of that 3% chance of fumble the hawks might recover it 50% of the time.

The % are pulled out of the thin air but you get the idea of worst case scenario of passes are far greater than the worst case scenario when running.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Their whole cheating history is a lie?

And please point out anything I've said that makes me look like a sore loser. You obviously have me confused with someone else.

Lastly, lol at a Pats fan talking about humility. As a group they are among the most arrogant blowhards you'll find anywhere. And listening to them go on about Seattle "bandwagon" fans is laughable given that 90% of them couldn't point out Drew Bledsoe in a lineup. I'm sure they'll go back to being Cowboys or Packers fans once Brady retires in a couple years.

Huh? How is one incident a history? Taping from the sidelines wasn't illegal til 2007 and Jimmy Johnson, Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher and others have admitted to doing it. And everything else are unproven accusations. But of course, being a hater, you'd ignore this - Who was spying on the Patriots?

Like how you skipped the history of cheating by Carroll.

And yes, you're a sore loser or you wouldn't be posting like a sore loser. Bandwagon? Like 90% of the Seahawk fans, many that couldn't point out Jim Zorn or Steve Largent.

NE has a lot of bandwagon fans b/c they've been so successful for the last 14 years. How many years do you need to be a fan to be not called a bandwagon fan?

Note, I go back to the Steve Grogan, 2-14, Kenneth Sims first pick in the draft days.

 

[emperus]

Belichick caught at Dinner Addressing Spygate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jr4PGeKtQ8

 

[Phokus]

Their whole cheating history is a lie?

And please point out anything I've said that makes me look like a sore loser. You obviously have me confused with someone else.

Lastly, lol at a Pats fan talking about humility. As a group they are among the most arrogant blowhards you'll find anywhere. And listening to them go on about Seattle "bandwagon" fans is laughable given that 90% of them couldn't point out Drew Bledsoe in a lineup. I'm sure they'll go back to being Cowboys or Packers fans once Brady retires in a couple years.

Yeah, it was a lie, or at the very least, a grey area. The memo they sent to the pats and all other teams didn't conform to the actual rules.

http://ryan-sawtelle.squarespace.co...son-you-hate-the-patriots-is-because-they-win

“Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game.”

This states that the use of any sort of taped information is illegal for use during the game THAT day. Belichick argued that his filming was never used for THAT day (which was later corroborated by the video tech and Goodell).

The NFL cited the memo's misquoted rules instead of the ACTUAL rules when it made its accusations and subsequent punishment against the Patriots.

Filming opponent’s signals was never illegal –and wasn’t even after the Patriots did it.

 

[emperus]

Still don't understand the call, it's not about it working or not.

It's all about the Risk vs Reward and opportunity cost.

1) pass play options, score td, get sacked, drop pass, deflected pass, deflected pass to int, or int

2) run options are score td, take a small loss of yds, fumble (half the time you recover your own I think)

Obviously the works options are deflected into and INT, INT, fumble.

My opinion is deflected into an INT probability is 6%, INT probabilty is another 6%. Fumble is probably 3/100 times and of that 3% chance of fumble the hawks might recover it 50% of the time.

The % are pulled out of the thin air but you get the idea of worst case scenario of passes are far greater than the worst case scenario when running.

Yeah, it makes no sense. I think they had 26 seconds, 1 timeout and 3 possible plays left. How would calling a pass there be advantageous especially with one of the goals to run the clock out. Makes no sense unless there is another motivation.

 

[Retro Rob]

I don't care what you think. The Patriots are a classy team and if you feel the need to hate a team that does things the right way because of how you think the fans are, then it seems you have other issues with the team or yourself. What makes it even stupider is that you turn around and can root for Seattle who's team is the personification of unclassy and full of players who are Jerks. Makes a lot of sense right?

So, just block me and be done with it. My team won and by the rules od sports etiquette I'm entitled to talk trash.

Actually, NE isn't a "classy" team. They've been caught cheating. This even goes as far back them being accused (w/o proof, btw) of taping the Rams and Panthers before playing them in the SB.

I will say they're extremely well-coached, and Belichick is probably the best if not one of the top 3 best coaches of all time.

We all know Seattle isn't classy, and I think that D full of overrated individual players. Put them in system with less talent, and I think flaws will be exposed, but the Pats are far from "classy".

 

[emperus]

Actually, NE isn't a "classy" team. They've been caught cheating. This even goes as far back them being accused (w/o proof, btw) of taping the Rams and Panthers before playing them in the SB.

I will say they're extremely well-coached, and Belichick is probably the best if not one of the top 3 best coaches of all time.

We all know Seattle isn't classy, and I think that D full of overrated individual players. Put them in system with less talent, and I think flaws will be exposed, but the Pats are far from "classy".

I define Classy as how the players on a team show respect, speak and talk about other players. The Patriots are coached to always heap praise on their opponents. It's maddening even when a team is talking trash. They are always humble in victory. They will do their talking on the field like running up the score if they want to settle a score.

They paid a fine for what the league considered cheating in 2007, 8 years ago. Btw, something a lot of coaches admitted doing. What other times have they been caught cheating? Or are we accepting unproven and sometimes disproven rumors as fact?

Btw, spy gate (the misnomer that it is) is almost a decade old.

 

[rsd]

Actually, NE isn't a "classy" team. They've been caught cheating. This even goes as far back them being accused (w/o proof, btw) of taping the Rams and Panthers before playing them in the SB.

I will say they're extremely well-coached, and Belichick is probably the best if not one of the top 3 best coaches of all time.

We all know Seattle isn't classy, and I think that D full of overrated individual players. Put them in system with less talent, and I think flaws will be exposed, but the Pats are far from "classy".

You mean the "supposed" taping of the Rams practices that the Boston Herald issued a public retraction of that slanderous article? Yeah, people tend to overlook that part.

 

[Retro Rob]

You mean the "supposed" taping of the Rams practices that the Boston Herald issued a public retraction of that slanderous article? Yeah, people tend to overlook that part.

Yeah, I said "w/o proof" Sherlock.

 

[manly]

After sleeping on it I don't think the call was that bad. The result was, but the logic behind it was solid enough. Bevell and Carroll didn't want to score too quickly and leave Brady time on the clock, like they did with Rodgers. I think I read a stat last night that of all the slants run from the 1 this season, none have been picked off. It was considered a safe play. I still think the pick should have went to the outside, but its more of a great defensive play than a bad decision.

Kinda reminds of the Texas vs USC game when Carroll went for a 4th and 1 at midfield instead of punting, and freakin Huff, a safety, dove in out of no where and tripped up White. Bush wasn't even on the field for that play. Carroll takes chances, but he's playing to win, not playing not to lose, so...whatever. He gambled at the end of the half too. I think it works out for him more than it doesn't. Such a missed opportunity though, especially since they were fortunate to be in that position considering the GB game.

The call was bad because Lynch is pretty much guaranteed to get a yard. They still had a timeout, so they could've punched it in at least twice. If by some miracle they lost 2 yards on the 2nd down play, they could've then gone to a pass play. I won't say it's the worst play call in NFL history but it was awful. If they actually didn't want to "score too quickly," they should've ran a QB sneak for half a yard (or TD if NE was conceding). Based on NE not even stopping the clock at 1 minute, I actually felt NE should've pulled a Holmgren and let Lynch score on the 1st down run. At least that way, they'd have a full minute for Brady to work some magic. So scoring too quickly wasn't even an issue because it looked like NE was betting the game on their ability to stop Beast Mode at least twice for just 1 yard.

If the Seahawks had an average RB, then I could at least understand the logic of the throw. But they had Marshawn Lynch, and he was basically a lock to score. This isn't about being "aggressive" like at the end of the first half. This was about being too cute and overthinking.

I never understood all the rage over Reggie Bush not being in on the 4th and 2 play. In short yardage, LenDale White is the power back you want. Like you said, it took a spectacular play by Michael Huff to stuff White. I'll put it this way, if Bush had been stuffed by White, I think prognosticators would ask why didn't they use the power back in short yardage to go?

 

[rsd]

Yeah, I said "w/o proof" Sherlock.

That's implying there was something to the story. There is nothing to prove because it didn't happen, Sherlock.

 

[lupi]

I think it's good that we have patriot fans saying it was a good lost for seattle cause they were getting too high on the horse.

Probably making that statement from a barn.

 

[Retro Rob]

That's implying there was something to the story. There is nothing to prove because it didn't happen, Sherlock.

You didn't read...now you're just trying to apologize for it.

Move on...

 

[smackababy]

The call was bad because Lynch is pretty much guaranteed to get a yard. They still had a timeout, so they could've punched it in at least twice. If by some miracle they lost 2 yards on the 2nd down play, they could've then gone to a pass play. I won't say it's the worst play call in NFL history but it was awful. If they actually didn't want to "score too quickly," they should've ran a QB sneak for half a yard (or TD if NE was conceding). Based on NE not even stopping the clock at 1 minute, I actually felt NE should've pulled a Holmgren and let Lynch score on the 1st down run. At least that way, they'd have a full minute for Brady to work some magic. So scoring too quickly wasn't even an issue because it looked like NE was betting the game on their ability to stop Beast Mode at least twice for just 1 yard.

Not really. NE had their goal line D out and were prepared to stuff the run. Seattle knew they had to have at least one pass play in order to have all 4 downs. Going with it on the least likely passing down would be their best option.

Sure, they could "afford" for Lynch to get stuffed once and stop the clock, but a quick slant against a rookie DB who was just beaten 2 plays prior that is dropped isn't going to cost them more than a couple seconds AND then they get to smash Lynch. It was a phenomenal play that beat them, not particularly bad play calling (at least, in that situation). I do feel they underutilized Lynch the entire second half (again!), but that last series wasn't exactly bad.

 

[emperus]

I think it's good that we have patriot fans saying it was a good lost for seattle cause they were getting too high on the horse.

Probably making that statement from a barn.

Lol.. You've clearly never been to Boston.

 

[Perknose]

Smacking? You did watch the game right? Outside of about 5 "throw and pray the receiver catches it" passes, Seattle was completely outclassed.

This is a discredited tactic used by fanbois everywhere . . . thinking you can arbitrarily excise some number of plays where the the other team BEAT YOUR TEAM ON THE DAMN FIELD and then somehow "fairly" evaluate the game.

You can't.

You never can.

Please stop.

 

[emperus]

Not really. NE had their goal line D out and were prepared to stuff the run. Seattle knew they had to have at least one pass play in order to have all 4 downs. Going with it on the least likely passing down would be their best option.

Sure, they could "afford" for Lynch to get stuffed once and stop the clock, but a quick slant against a rookie DB who was just beaten 2 plays prior that is dropped isn't going to cost them more than a couple seconds AND then they get to smash Lynch. It was a phenomenal play that beat them, not particularly bad play calling (at least, in that situation). I do feel they underutilized Lynch the entire second half (again!), but that last series wasn't exactly bad.

1.) It was 2nd down. With the timeout they had more than enough time for 3 more plays. Also, killing the clock was beneficial to them.

2.) Butler wasn't beat. He defended the pass well. THe receiver got a freakishly lucky break.

3.) They were on the goal line.. What other D do you think the Pats would run? Also it wasn't a true run stuffing goalline D. They had 3 DB's on the field.