That was HUGE.. You can see Belicheck's reaction after that. He knew the game wasn't over yet. On the otherside, Seahawks may have celebrated too soon, and seemed really disjointed at the end. After the miracle catch, they thought the game as already in the bag. Can't blame them, they have the best rb in the game and only a few yards left. Most of their time outs.
That was HUGE.. You can see Belicheck's reaction after that. He knew the game wasn't over yet. On the otherside, Seahawks may have celebrated too soon, and seemed really disjointed at the end. After the miracle catch, they thought the game as already in the bag. Can't blame them, they have the best rb in the game and only a few yards left. Most of their time outs.
Well, the only way you get the safety is guessing the count. Brady never gets stopped on that sneak. Its a long shot in any event, so I don't have a problem with it. I actually kinda liked that Seattle still had some fight in them. Actually fighting was a bit too much, but they went out swinging. And maybe they get NE to get called for a personal foul.
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Ignore Emperus b/c he's a dumbass.
But haters and sore losers like you are the reason, I don't feel like being gracious. After all the crap, you give NE for their history of cheating which is a lie. Or please provide us with this history? And coming from a team that has a coach with a history of breaking the rules and cheating from USC to Seattle, I think it's hilarious. Yeah, Seattle didn't hold any illegal practices. Opposing coaches don't accuse the Seahawks of cheating - Jim Harbaugh on Seahawks: ‘If you cheat to win, you’ve already lost’
And all of your posts here and in the TB thread make you an uneducated hater, so I have no problem calling the Seahawks a stupid team. Call a play at the goal line that the NE 7th DB has studied and knows where the WR is going, so he jumps the route.
Instead of stuffing NE for a safety and a chance to win by a FG, Bennett goes offsides. And after the next play, stay classy Seattle Seahawk players. Bunch of punks that played stupid.
So, suck it! Boston is having another parade and it never gets old.
edit - love this comment on a ESPN article by a NO fan:
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I was hoping overnight that it would be revealed that they cheated somehow, or it was actually nightmare and today was Sunday, but it didn't happen.
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exactly. two infuriating plays after another. I think that INT just spawned a meltdown on the D line who, really, should have been cool and prepared to do everything to make the only play that they could.
Oh well.
I do think, the more I consider it, that Wilson really should have just thrown the ball away. It was such a tight seam that should not have been forced like that. It ends up going down as a terrible result on a questionable yet ballsy call for that situation, but Wilson should have been smarter.
I've never liked Pete Carroll but I do admire his stones on calls like that--also much respect for taking all of the heat on that call in his post-game chat--both in public and in front of his team.
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hehe, yeah--that was the only way I could explain why those idiots would start throwing punches, trying to sucker NE into a penalty. It's not all that dumb when you've exhausted all options, but this isn't hockey.
The safety would have been tough to make, they just jumped too early.
NE has a history of cheating. I mean a player Belichick recruited gave back his Heisman right? Oh, wait. One Superbowl win and we forget all about that.
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Good win for the Pats--hard fought to the end and well earned.
They fell for an over exaggerated head bob from the center which Unger, Seattle's center, has been called for this year. Smart move by the Pats center as the refs were allowing all sorts of holding and weren't going to call that. Bill Belichick is a good coach and knew Bennett is a sucker.
No point complaining about the officiating, Hawk fans know after SB40 you won't get all the calls. The early punt should have been a 15. The PDI was a horrendous no call that changed the game (he catches it Lockette had the speed in the open field to break it; at worst 1st down and 20 yards up the field changes the game) but hard to complain when you have SDB (Stupid Doug Baldwin) taking a 15 yard penalty on a stupid celebration or Earl with the late hit which was ticky tack (he was already in the tackle motion when the play was in bounds) but Earl has to know field awareness. But none of that mattered as Seattle got to 2nd and goal from the 1/2 yard line.
Beast Mode?
I don't agree with the pass play but I understand it. By passing, if it goes incomplete, you have 2 plays, 1 timeout, and 20 seconds. A lot of time.
The issue is why the play--the Cards lost a SB on the same silly idea. shallow Slants in tight areas is a bad idea as you run the risk of defenders clogging the area, guys dropping back into the zone, or just being beat. The Pats were press cover all across the line so it is a bad look. You look at Seattle's peronsell and none of them are good at slants and it is NOT a strong part of Seattle's playbook. Lockette is your 5th receiver at the beginning of the season (Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson). If Sidney Rice was healthy Lockette doesn't make the team. Your best 2 weapons are Lynch and Wilson. A play action pass freezes the line and you allow Wilson to do what he does best--improvise. Worst case he throws the ball away--best case he runs it in for a score or his movement breaks a receiver open. A better call is a corner fade 1-on-1 with Matthews, throw it high and outside, either Matthews catches it or it sails out of bounds. Low risk toss and a fantastic matchup. The play call was dumb. The execution was fantastic right up until the receiver...
I thought Wilson's pass was fine, good even. It would have been great if it was on Lockette's left shoulder but the passing lane wasn't necessarily there and it would have hit Lockette in the numbers if he was aggressive to the ball. Wilson did what everyone whines about him not doing: throwing with anticipation on a designed spot play from the pocket. Lockette slowed up (looked like he was prepping to get hit) and didn't aggressively body up on the ball. The Pat's rookie made a FANTASTIC play that could have spelled disaster if he read it wrong. He didn't, Pat's win.
The Separation is in the Preparation. Bill had his guys coached up and made the play when it needed to be made. I have had issues with Bevell's play calling all season, especially when he failed to feed Lynch in the Charges and Cowboy losses. Lynch's second half carries tell you all you need to know about why you give it to Lynch (reverse order, so top carries were his last):
Yards
4
5
2
1
2
1
14
3
7
15
3
Not a single loss on a carry in the 2nd half. Heck, form the 1/2 yard line run a QB sneak. Both Seattle and New England, if they had lost, would have looked back at the game to see a LOT of missed opportunities, mistakes, and straight up getting beat on plays. But Seattle had the game with a timeout and 3 downs to punch it in from the 1. The game was there for the taking. And they ran a play, not to one of their 2 offensive playmakers, but to a 5th string receiver on a route your offense doesn't execute well in a situation that is low reward/high risk. After that play all I could do was yell
WHY!? WHY?! WHY?!
Again, congrats Pats. Tough game, someone had to lose. The balance of the game was even to the last play and BB coached up your team and tipped the balance by 1 winning play. The Pats were the better team Sunday. Seattle needs to take a long look at Wilson's development under Bevell and his play selection in their key losses--fades to not-even 5'10" ADB against KC (who cares if he was DPI, it wasn't called and it is a BAD play call), the lack of runs early in SD and Dallas that gassed the defense, the screens to receivers who cannot execute them, and the fact SEA had great success with play action out of the Power I in 2012 and 2013 and Bevell ignored it most of 2014, in favor of shotgun formations (wtf?). The rampant use of 4 and 5 wide receiver formations when you strength is road grader lineman and being 3x deep at tailback. Turbo barely got a look and CMike, an athletic freak who flashes, sits while Bevell throws balls to Brian Walters and Riccardo Lockette. And a Super Bowl where you are lined up against 2 good corners in Revis and Browner but Luke Willson, the other tight ends, and RBs out of the backfield, are NOT schemed into the game??? I mean really, was Bevell somehow surprised when ADB and Kearse were blanked by Revis and Browner? It is inconceivable that the gameplan didn't have a heavy does of using our TEs.
Dan Quinn/Carroll doesn't get a free pass, either, as they de-activated Burley--our other smaller/quick corner. Simon is raw and was exploited against Carolina. Seattle has had great success with big corners but the 1 exploit is getting small guys on big guys one on one in favorable matchups. They found it all day long on Simon. They needed someone else in the slot and kept Maxwell and Sherman on the best guys on the outside. And the KJ Wright, who I think was overpaid, one on one Gronk was a bad decision. Even if KJ was in good position Gronk would have pushed off like he did on Kam early in the game (don't see any Pats fans complaining about that). The scheme was pretty simple, overload one side and break Gronk out to the other side one on one with no help over top. This was on NE's game tape so it wasn't a surprise. Lining up a LB with no over top help wasn't the best design. Heck, have KJ play deep and then fill in quickly underneath with a LB. The coaches need to own that.
Not much else to say. Injuries, penalties, execution, etc. are all part of the game. The game wasn't won or loss on won play but the final result did. NE's DB out executed our WR on the last meaningful play of the game and earned the victory. And Seattle fans are just shocked they were so close and such bonehead play selection (again, a slant to a 5th string special teams player in a bad coverage for an underneath pass) when you have a Top 3 running back who has no lost a single yard in 2 quarters and 3 downs to shove him in. For all of Wilson's strengths you had him execute a play type that isn't a strength of his.
For a power run team in the biggest play you give the ball to your best players on their best plays. This loss is on the coaches.
They fell for an over exaggerated head bob from the center which Unger, Seattle's center, has been called for this year. Smart move by the Pats center as the refs were allowing all sorts of holding and weren't going to call that. Bill Belichick is a good coach and knew Bennett is a sucker.
No point complaining about the officiating, Hawk fans know after SB40 you won't get all the calls. The early punt should have been a 15. The PDI was a horrendous no call that changed the game (he catches it Lockette had the speed in the open field to break it; at worst 1st down and 20 yards up the field changes the game) but hard to complain when you have SDB (Stupid Doug Baldwin) taking a 15 yard penalty on a stupid celebration or Earl with the late hit which was ticky tack (he was already in the tackle motion when the play was in bounds) but Earl has to know field awareness. But none of that mattered as Seattle got to 2nd and goal from the 1/2 yard line.
Beast Mode?
I don't agree with the pass play but I understand it. By passing, if it goes incomplete, you have 2 plays, 1 timeout, and 20 seconds. A lot of time.
The issue is why the play--the Cards lost a SB on the same silly idea. shallow Slants in tight areas is a bad idea as you run the risk of defenders clogging the area, guys dropping back into the zone, or just being beat. The Pats were press cover all across the line so it is a bad look. You look at Seattle's peronsell and none of them are good at slants and it is NOT a strong part of Seattle's playbook. Lockette is your 5th receiver at the beginning of the season (Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson). If Sidney Rice was healthy Lockette doesn't make the team. Your best 2 weapons are Lynch and Wilson. A play action pass freezes the line and you allow Wilson to do what he does best--improvise. Worst case he throws the ball away--best case he runs it in for a score or his movement breaks a receiver open. A better call is a corner fade 1-on-1 with Matthews, throw it high and outside, either Matthews catches it or it sails out of bounds. Low risk toss and a fantastic matchup. The play call was dumb. The execution was fantastic right up until the receiver...
I thought Wilson's pass was fine, good even. It would have been great if it was on Lockette's left shoulder but the passing lane wasn't necessarily there and it would have hit Lockette in the numbers if he was aggressive to the ball. Wilson did what everyone whines about him not doing: throwing with anticipation on a designed spot play from the pocket. Lockette slowed up (looked like he was prepping to get hit) and didn't aggressively body up on the ball. The Pat's rookie made a FANTASTIC play that could have spelled disaster if he read it wrong. He didn't, Pat's win.
The Separation is in the Preparation. Bill had his guys coached up and made the play when it needed to be made. I have had issues with Bevell's play calling all season, especially when he failed to feed Lynch in the Charges and Cowboy losses. Lynch's second half carries tell you all you need to know about why you give it to Lynch (reverse order, so top carries were his last):
Yards
4
5
2
1
2
1
14
3
7
15
3
Not a single loss on a carry in the 2nd half. Heck, form the 1/2 yard line run a QB sneak. Both Seattle and New England, if they had lost, would have looked back at the game to see a LOT of missed opportunities, mistakes, and straight up getting beat on plays. But Seattle had the game with a timeout and 3 downs to punch it in from the 1. The game was there for the taking. And they ran a play, not to one of their 2 offensive playmakers, but to a 5th string receiver on a route your offense doesn't execute well in a situation that is low reward/high risk. After that play all I could do was yell
WHY!? WHY?! WHY?!
Again, congrats Pats. Tough game, someone had to lose. The balance of the game was even to the last play and BB coached up your team and tipped the balance by 1 winning play. The Pats were the better team Sunday. Seattle needs to take a long look at Wilson's development under Bevell and his play selection in their key losses--fades to not-even 5'10" ADB against KC (who cares if he was DPI, it wasn't called and it is a BAD play call), the lack of runs early in SD and Dallas that gassed the defense, the screens to receivers who cannot execute them, and the fact SEA had great success with play action out of the Power I in 2012 and 2013 and Bevell ignored it most of 2014, in favor of shotgun formations (wtf?). The rampant use of 4 and 5 wide receiver formations when you strength is road grader lineman and being 3x deep at tailback. Turbo barely got a look and CMike, an athletic freak who flashes, sits while Bevell throws balls to Brian Walters and Riccardo Lockette. And a Super Bowl where you are lined up against 2 good corners in Revis and Browner but Luke Willson, the other tight ends, and RBs out of the backfield, are NOT schemed into the game??? I mean really, was Bevell somehow surprised when ADB and Kearse were blanked by Revis and Browner? It is inconceivable that the gameplan didn't have a heavy does of using our TEs.
Dan Quinn/Carroll doesn't get a free pass, either, as they de-activated Burley--our other smaller/quick corner. Simon is raw and was exploited against Carolina. Seattle has had great success with big corners but the 1 exploit is getting small guys on big guys one on one in favorable matchups. They found it all day long on Simon. They needed someone else in the slot and kept Maxwell and Sherman on the best guys on the outside. And the KJ Wright, who I think was overpaid, one on one Gronk was a bad decision. Even if KJ was in good position Gronk would have pushed off like he did on Kam early in the game (don't see any Pats fans complaining about that). The scheme was pretty simple, overload one side and break Gronk out to the other side one on one with no help over top. This was on NE's game tape so it wasn't a surprise. Lining up a LB with no over top help wasn't the best design. Heck, have KJ play deep and then fill in quickly underneath with a LB. The coaches need to own that.
Not much else to say. Injuries, penalties, execution, etc. are all part of the game. The game wasn't won or loss on won play but the final result did. NE's DB out executed our WR on the last meaningful play of the game and earned the victory. And Seattle fans are just shocked they were so close and such bonehead play selection (again, a slant to a 5th string special teams player in a bad coverage for an underneath pass) when you have a Top 3 running back who has no lost a single yard in 2 quarters and 3 downs to shove him in. For all of Wilson's strengths you had him execute a play type that isn't a strength of his.
For a power run team in the biggest play you give the ball to your best players on their best plays. This loss is on the coaches.
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^^^ All of this.
^^^ And this.
^^^ Plus this.
lol, you're such an infantile little sockpuppet.
my team? Whoever said that Seattle was my team?
Brady would have done exactly what, facing the Seattle starters, simply based on your claim of "greatest QB in history?" right, It's not a game played on paper. I think he would have done well, because Brady, but you based your argument on him facing the top defense the league--oh right--the overrated top defense in the league. Which is not what he faced last night. Admit it and move on.
Brady is effing amazing, and he is certainly in that discussion, with very few other individuals, but you would be crying in a puddle of tears and hiding like the little bitch that you are 99 times out of 100 in that final play, had BM won the Superbowl that was given to him--and yet there you are again, as predicted: "Because of some BULLSHIT catch!" just like the other certain NE fans that many have come to know and despise--poor winners, just as poor as you are losers.
Now, watch as the actual decent Pats fans on this board distance themselves from you.
The Seahawks are overrated. I explained why. You can go back and look at the last 6 opponents they played in the regular season and see why they were number #1. They padded their stats against 4 backups and backup to backups and then Kapernick twice. I told you New England would whoop their defense and what happened? 28 points. Take out Seattles 3 or 4 lobs and what are you left with? An offense that's remarkably unremarkable. Look at NE's offense. Can you take out any 2 or 3 plays that were fluky or felt like without them the game would have been lopsided. I don't think so. Their offense rolled. But you wouldn't know that, because instead of watching the games u actually just look at stats and pretend like you know anything about football.
Please don't act like you know anything about NE fans. Because all of them are mad at what happened this last week. Instead of being able to celebrate the accomplishments of our team, the world called them cheaters and tried to take that away. Yes, so most New England fans are like me, sick and tired of the BS.
Btw, isn't it amazing that you try to get on me for talking ish. Where your team Seattle is hated by most of the country not because they win but because they can't shut the f up.
You mad bro?
Sorry, most football fans hate the Pats because they WIN so have probably beat their teams, play smart and are well coached. Any other talk is just ridiculous. End of Discussion.
Smacking? You did watch the game right? Outside of about 5 "throw and pray the receiver catches it" passes, Seattle was completely outclassed. But like a lot of people on this forum, you probably think the score is the best indicator of how teams played.
I find it funny that a certain member was a fan of the winning team AND is still super butthurt. Lol.
Of course that is the way you would explain that. You talk about being a homer. You say you didn't even root for Seattle but still sound like one.
Seattle threw punches because they are exactly who the rest of the country thinks they are. A classless team. I don't even like Skip Bayless but he pegged it when he changed who he thought would win to Seattle. In his eyes he couldn't root for a classless team like Seattle.
I assume you are talking to me. How can I win and be butthurt(whatever that means). I told you I would be here whether we win or lose. Fortunately we won. So, I get to rub your nose in it.
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That is exactly how that play is supposed to be ran. Best case scenario the crossing routes completely wash the defender out. But barring that the defender either goes under and trails or goes over top and has to make a play through the receiver.
Wilson put the ball in a position where, if Lockette did his job, the defender would only have had the option to go through the receiver. Instead Lockette slowed up/dropped down and left only his arms between him and the defender.
I thought about it and considered Wilson should have put the ball on Lockette's back (left) shoulder but rewatching the play it looks clear to me Wilson's pass was dead on and going to hit him square in the numbers. If Wilson had thrown behind Lockette and Lockette had NOT slowed up the ball could have sailed wide right or deflected where Browner was.
I am OK with the play call (pass) but not crazy about it. I am NOT OK with the play selection (bunch slant with guys underneath--watch the Pats as they run the receiver wide and leave a clean pocket underneath). I am OK with Wilson & the Line's execution. I am NOT OK with Lockette's execution.
If Lockette runs his route right today everyone is talking about how CLUTCH Wilson is, how the torch has been passed, 11-0 against SB quarterbacks, amazing comeback, Kearse's catch, back-to-back SB champs, etc. Instead that one route has us talking about NE as a Dynasty, the greatness of Brady, how Wilson isn't good enough in the pocket, etc.
Which on an unrelated tangent: The margins are so thin in the NFL. One play, good or bad, by a single player can alter the direction and perception of a franchise or another player. It is a fascinating phenomena. That one play by a 5th string receiver changes the perception of Brady, Wilson, Belichick, Carroll, Seattle, and New England.
If Lockette bodies up and scores how different is the narrative? I am a realist--not much. Seattle's defense was still exploited on a number of plays, Seattle's receivers are still only ok, they still make dumb mistakes like taking a celebration penalty, injuries and long term health at some key positions are big question marks, the line is still bad, and Bevell--even if Lockette scores--has play calling/selection issues. Seattle's defense is great but the refusal to adjust when the defense has one weakness--smaller receivers or isolation--is a weakness that needs to be addressed against teams with the personnel to exploit it.
I am sure honest New England fans see it the same way with their team. They were 1 play away from losing. They get the joy of winning but also can see where their team is strong and needs improvement. The Pats were the better team in a close game and congrats to them.
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To be honest, I felt that call was a makeup for the missed call on the helmet to helmet hit to a defenseless receiver by Kam right before that play. Edelman looked concussed fighting for yards after that. How no one evaluated him, I don't know. Much like Wilson's hit in the NFCCG.
Capt Caveman
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Well, he didn't leave the field the play after, so they didn't clear him right away.
They rarely call those head Bobs. I think it's cheating and they should.
Earl deserved that penalty. Doesn't matter if you are in the motion. He didn't touch Edelman until he was a distance out of bounds. He has to be aware of field position. It's a very dangerous play.
1.) Wouldn't blame Wilson for that pass. Better Defense than bad offense. Butler also explained how they practiced that play and he got beat the first time. So, he recognized it and jumped it. It probably would have been a touchdown any other time. Butler's a good back. He made it on team and was activated over drafted CB's. And Bill trusted him on this stage to play after he benched Arrington who gave up all those long plays.
2.) Seattle's type of D is why they are Seattle. They play a zone which allows them to face the QB, get those big hits and all those picks off deflections. And they like bigger CB's because of that. Fixing that weakness would take a drastic change in their base D and the their personal. Fortunately, not a lot of teams have the personal and QB that can pull the scheme NE had off. Philip Rivers did it earlier this year.
3.) Lastly, if they played best of 3 I think NE would win all 3 with this being the closest game. I know I'm a NE fan, but I don't see how Seattle consistently scores if Bill shuts down those long LOB passes the way he did the 2nd half. Take out those Lobs on Arrington and Seattle looks terrible on offense. And there is no way Seattle is adjusting on D without drastically changing their Defensive identity and changing their personnel.
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zinfamous
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and yet you're still trying to say that people don't hate you (New England fans) for you (emperus) being you (emperus, and thus NE fans by association)?
uh huh.
stay dickbaggy, I guess.
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