** UPDATE** Official 2014-15 NFL 'U LOST Bro'-owl Thread** Pats are SB Champs!!

[smackababy]

Winning doesn't earn respect, being gracious earns respect. And not cheating. New England fails on both because their organization has a history of cheating and their fans have even more history of being tools.

Crying about penalties and ragging on the losing team are attributes of a tool. You can choose to change if you want.

How did the Patriots cheat again? More and more evidence coming out shows otherwise AND they fucking stomped the Colts after the balls were changed. 404: Cheating not found. And, they beat Seattle on even ground. Sure, Seattle had some bad playcalling, but that wasn't so bad a call if you really think about it. They were in 4 down territory with a single time out. You had to risk a throw at some point.

 

[emperus]

Winning doesn't earn respect, being gracious earns respect. And not cheating. New England fails on both because their organization has a history of cheating and their fans have even more history of being tools.

Crying about penalties and ragging on the losing team are attributes of a tool. You can choose to change if you want.

A Seattle fan talks about winning graciously. I guess you didn't watch Seattle yapping during every game the last 3 years, or yapping after every game win or loss, Sherman's rant after last years Superbowl, the players rant after the NFC game, Sherman poking Revis or the Score during the Superbowl or the fight after the kneel down.

If you are a fan of Seattle you can miss me with all the not gracious winners or Cheating Bullshit. Take the log out of your own damn eye. If you're not strong enough I'm sure you can get some PED's from your team.

 

[emperus]

How did the Patriots cheat again? More and more evidence coming out shows otherwise AND they fucking stomped the Colts after the balls were changed. 404: Cheating not found. And, they beat Seattle on even ground. Sure, Seattle had some bad playcalling, but that wasn't so bad a call if you really think about it. They were in 4 down territory with a single time out. You had to risk a throw at some point.

You know though I do think that play was an attempt to make Wilson the hero. I'm not going to hate on that call. Carroll is aggressive and plays to win. He did it in the NFC game with that fake field goal and he did it on that 2nd half touchdown with 6 seconds left. He rolls the dice and unfortunately it cost him this time. But I like his aggressiveness.

 

[KeithTalent]

Wow, someone really just shot right up the AT Asshole charts. Impressive climb.

KT

 

[Muse]

That last offensive play by the Seahawks? Bad call?

That play was called by the offensive coordinator and approved by Pete Carrol.

You know what? I don't think it was a bad call. If they'd run the ball
and not gained yardage, or worse, lost a couple of yards, they'd have
had to call their last timeout and run 3rd down, having to pass. They
figured it would either be a touchdown or incompleted pass with 4
seconds off the clock. They'd have the element of surprise, everyone
expected Lynch on a handoff. If it didn't work, they'd still have their
timeout and could either run or pass.

It wasn't a bad call, it just backfired!

 

[dainthomas]

You know though I do think that play was an attempt to make Wilson the hero. I'm not going to hate on that call. Carroll is aggressive and plays to win. He did it in the NFC game with that fake field goal and he did it on that 2nd half touchdown with 6 seconds left. He rolls the dice and unfortunately it cost him this time. But I like his aggressiveness.

Add in the supposed friction between Lynch and the Seahawks front office. If he gets two TD's including the game winner, there's no way to get rid of him without the entire fanbase crying for your head.

It would be a shame if something like that influenced playcalling.

 

[zinfamous]

Did we watch the same game? Lane's replacement wasn't covering every single one of BRady's completions. And I guarantee if Lane was in the game, he would have been shat on as well, you know why? Because Brady is the best Quarterback to have played the game.

Now back to Seattle being overrated. How many points did the greatest defenses of history give up? The Ravens during their run? The Steel Curtain? Like I said Seattle's D was overrated based on the terrible Offenses they played at the end of the season. They gave up 4 TD's and over 300 yards to a QB with hardly no running game.

Now when Belichick benched Arrington, how many points did Seattle score? 0. Because WIlson, couldn't throw those LOBS anymore and he reverted back to the quarterback he was the 1st quarter.

Btw, you guys were only at the goal line on some Bullshit catch.

And yes contract conspiracy with the call. Why else would you think they would make such a stupid call? They have two agendas. Score and run the clock. And so they throw a pass from the 1? yeah right. THey didn't want Lynch winning that game or it would be harder not to pay him or even release him. You should probably know more about your team. I bet if you watch the post game analysis others will make the same point.

Now act like the losers your team are and go hide..

lol, you're such an infantile little sockpuppet.

my team? Whoever said that Seattle was my team?

Brady would have done exactly what, facing the Seattle starters, simply based on your claim of "greatest QB in history?" right, It's not a game played on paper. I think he would have done well, because Brady, but you based your argument on him facing the top defense the league--oh right--the overrated top defense in the league. Which is not what he faced last night. Admit it and move on.

Brady is effing amazing, and he is certainly in that discussion, with very few other individuals, but you would be crying in a puddle of tears and hiding like the little bitch that you are 99 times out of 100 in that final play, had BM won the Superbowl that was given to him--and yet there you are again, as predicted: "Because of some BULLSHIT catch!" just like the other certain NE fans that many have come to know and despise--poor winners, just as poor as you are losers.



Now, watch as the actual decent Pats fans on this board distance themselves from you.

 

[ControlD]

I feel like this is relevant ....

 

[zinfamous]

Yea but to be fair that's life in the NFL, you always attack an opponents weakest point. I am a life-long Pat's fan, but as much as I wanted a win predicting "dominance" against a defense as good as Seattle's is utter garbage, I expected a close, hard-fought game and that's exactly how it turned out. TBO I wanted them to let BM score on the 1st play and give Brady some time to try and work it down into FG range. Coaches sometimes out think themselves in big moments, I remember BB going for a 4th and 14 rather than try a 48 yrd FG facing the Giants, a "WTF" moment there, Brady was spending most of the night on the ground and you think trying to convert 4/14 is a good plan?. Turns out the Pat's tose by 3 IIRC.

totally agree. You play with what you have, and if you can't back up your starters, then you're not as deep as you need to be.

Just pointing out that 98% of emperus's arguments are pure shit.

The clear intentional tripping on the first down play late in the 4th, which should have been offensive PI, but instead lead to 3 and out for Seattle, was infuriating--but that is the type of thing that only matters for a series. Seattle D came out and did their job, stopped Brady on that drive, and got the offense back out.

Oh wait, sorry--Seattle D never did that because they are obviously overrated. Wilson only wins because of circus catches and dumb luck. Brady wins because his talent and provenance is divined from God--obviously a Pat's fan--and he is pure class and never makes mistakes, and never loses unless by the miracle of dumb plays that would never exist but by the intervention of the devil and well, maybe, the fact that people actually have to play games.

(none of that directed at you, obviously )

Most anyone who watches football and watched that game, knows that it was an even matchup throughout. Brady rather clearly struggled early, and at times late, as did Wilson and the Seattle offense. both Defenses played great against very difficult offenses to prepare for. 99% of people also know that were it not for one excessively dumb all at the end, great Brady would have very, very likely lost yet another Superbowl.

 

[zinfamous]

And can we talk about the Fucked up officiating in this game. I am even more sure Kraft did something to the rest of the League as the NFL did not want the Pats winning this game (leaks from deflate gate).

it went both ways. The non-call on the punt that went against the Pats was bad. The small pushoff on Matthews that went uncalled, sure could have been called. The pushoff to score the TD (Edelman or Amendola--forget which, short people all look the same to me) could have been called.

The intentional tripping on the beaten NE receiver in the 4th, rather blatant on that one, certainly should have been called. But it wasn't. And you know--Seattle had their chances to beat that calls, and they did, but didn't bring it home. whatever.

"The refs are always against my team!" (lol--even when we FUCKING WIN!). The clearest sign of the worst kind of homerfan in any sport.

 

[Childs]

I wouldn't quite say that, the Pat's had no answer for Bennet all game long, he forced Brady into some quick throws and probably the 2 picks.

But last year Seattle had two more guys like Bennet. I think in general Brady was releasing the ball really fast, and it was by design, but he had time on the third and longs, and thats when you need pressure with 4 and they couldn't do it.

Great game.

Worst play call in super bowl history. That will haunt Carroll as a head coach. Inexcusable, move on.

After sleeping on it I don't think the call was that bad. The result was, but the logic behind it was solid enough. Bevell and Carroll didn't want to score too quickly and leave Brady time on the clock, like they did with Rodgers. I think I read a stat last night that of all the slants run from the 1 this season, none have been picked off. It was considered a safe play. I still think the pick should have went to the outside, but its more of a great defensive play than a bad decision.

Kinda reminds of the Texas vs USC game when Carroll went for a 4th and 1 at midfield instead of punting, and freakin Huff, a safety, dove in out of no where and tripped up White. Bush wasn't even on the field for that play. Carroll takes chances, but he's playing to win, not playing not to lose, so...whatever. He gambled at the end of the half too. I think it works out for him more than it doesn't. Such a missed opportunity though, especially since they were fortunate to be in that position considering the GB game.

 

[Ns1]

Kinda reminds of the Texas vs USC game when Carroll went for a 4th and 1 at midfield instead of punting, and freakin Huff, a safety, dove in out of no where and tripped up White. Bush wasn't even on the field for that play. Carroll takes chances, but he's playing to win, not playing not to lose, so...whatever. He gambled at the end of the half too. I think it works out for him more than it doesn't. Such a missed opportunity though, especially since they were fortunate to be in that position considering the GB game.

yeah Carroll seems to have a knack for this shit.

 

[zinfamous]

U mad bro? I've been hearing all week about the Seahawks defense being the BEST ever and how they were going to cave in Brady's chest and demoralize the Pats. The refs let them play Seattle's "ref's can't call every penalty" style and they still lost and got dominated by NE's offense.

and yet you missed all of the no-calls against NE.

what a sore bitch of a winner you are. Must be really popular around your self-aggrandizing bro parties.

 

[zinfamous]

Honestly, who cares about Manziel? He hasn't accomplished anything. And it is a Superbowl "Patriots smacking Seattle" thread. Make a new thread instead of crapping on NE's Superbowl with a nobody like Manziel.

smacking? where was the smacking? But for a call that the rest of the football world would have made to win that game against your homer team, there certainly was no smacking.

 

[zinfamous]

Sore winners? Did you hear our team after the interviews giving credit to a good Seattle team (whether they meant it or not)? Who was the team that started a fight at the final kneel down? Yeah.. You have such a classy team.

But you Lost. You mad bro?

the team.

not the fans.

again, this is why most of the football world hates the patriots--it's the fans. They aren't all like you, but there are enough like you that ruin it for the rest.

 

[Imported]

Just my thoughts on the last possession by the Seahawks.. and apologize if something like this was already said.

Since they only had one timeout, they passed on second down. In the event its not completed, clock stops and they now have 3rd and 4th to run. If 3rd down run fails (which apparently has happened quite a bit with Lynch this year?), call time out and set up for the 4th down.

If they ran on second down and failed, they would have had to call time out and may not have had enough time to run the play on 4th down in the event 3rd down also fails. Three shots is better than two.

It wasn't as terrible as it seemed.. just an unfortunate result. /shrug

 

[Childs]

Just my thoughts on the last possession by the Seahawks.. and apologize if something like this was already said.

Since they only had one timeout, they passed on second down. In the event its not completed, clock stops and they now have 3rd and 4th to run. If 3rd down run fails (which apparently has happened quite a bit with Lynch this year?), call time out and set up for the 4th down.

If they ran on second down and failed, they would have had to call time out and may not have had enough time to run the play on 4th down in the event 3rd down also fails. Three shots is better than two.

It wasn't as terrible as it seemed.. just an unfortunate result. /shrug

Thats basically what Carroll said in the post game interviews, but it was hard to hear at the time. Bevell throwing Lockette under the bus was lame though.

 

[Imported]

Thats basically what Carroll said in the post game interviews, but it was hard to hear at the time. Bevell throwing Lockette under the bus was lame though.

Ah. I didn't watch any of the post-game, ESPN or whatever. Had shows to catch up on! Just reading the MMQB now. Heard about Bevell doing that on Twitter.. lame indeed.

 

[zinfamous]

Thats basically what Carroll said in the post game interviews, but it was hard to hear at the time. Bevell throwing Lockette under the bus was lame though.

Seattle was also lining up 3 wide, I think, against NE goal line D, so a run in that formation isn't typically successful.

I think it will stand as one of the worst calls ever, but that's hindsight. It's a terrible call precisely because the result displays why very few people make such a gamble. There are reasons to make the call as made, certainly, but I can't help but think that when you need someone to make 1/2 yard to win the superbowl, you have the best person in the league to do it on your team.

so what if he's 1 for 5 at the goal line this year. No reason he can't be 2 for 6.

It would have been brilliant if it was a TD, or simply an afterthought if not for an amazing INT. Wilson is partly to blame for the inside throw, I suppose, but I haven't watched many replays and I'm not sure if he could have easily thrown it to the other side, or there was another option--I don't recall any obviously open option at that time.

 

[Childs]

It would have been brilliant if it was a TD, or simply an afterthought if not for an amazing INT. Wilson is partly to blame for the inside throw, I suppose, but I haven't watched many replays and I'm not sure if he could have easily thrown it to the other side, or there was another option--I don't recall any obviously open option at that time.

The way Browner stuffed Kearse, Butler jumping the route, and Revis locking down Baldwin on the other side, the only option was to throw it away. Maybe Wilson could have made a move to the outside and tried to run it in, but getting tackled for a loss would have limited their options. The only thing that wasn't an option was throwing an int.

 

[smackababy]

Seattle was also lining up 3 wide, I think, against NE goal line D, so a run in that formation isn't typically successful.

I think it will stand as one of the worst calls ever, but that's hindsight. It's a terrible call precisely because the result displays why very few people make such a gamble. There are reasons to make the call as made, certainly, but I can't help but think that when you need someone to make 1/2 yard to win the superbowl, you have the best person in the league to do it on your team.

so what if he's 1 for 5 at the goal line this year. No reason he can't be 2 for 6.

It would have been brilliant if it was a TD, or simply an afterthought if not for an amazing INT. Wilson is partly to blame for the inside throw, I suppose, but I haven't watched many replays and I'm not sure if he could have easily thrown it to the other side, or there was another option--I don't recall any obviously open option at that time.

It was two gambles: Carroll's gamble of throwing a quick slant and Butler's gamble of recognizing they do quick slants a lot in that formation and jumping the route. Carroll's play wasn't even that much of a gamble. A quick slant against a rookie DB who just thought he made a great play to have it snatched from him by that catch. How many rookies would not dwell on that and have the heads up ability to recognize the next play has a high probability of being a quick slant against him?

Everyone can say it is a shitty play call, but that is because they are stupid. It wasn't a bad call in that situation; it was a phenomenal play by Butler.


Something interesting about NE's offense I heard at the start of the game: The only first round pick starter was a single OL. Nobody else was picked in the first round. Crazy!

 

[Capt Caveman]

The way Browner stuffed Kearse, Butler jumping the route, and Revis locking down Baldwin no the other side, the only option was to throw it away. Maybe Wilson could have made a move to the outside and tried to run it in, but getting tackled for a loss would have limited their options. The only thing that wasn't an option was throwing an int.

Well, that is another problem with the play, it was a play that NE had studied and prepared for. Even NE's 7th defensive back knew what the Seahawks were doing by stacking their WRs where they were going, so Browner stoned the one guy that was going to pick Butler and Butler jumped the route for the INT.

I'm surprised that no one is accusing NE of cheating for knowing the play. Nope, just superior coaching where the 7th DB who has barely played all year had studied and knew the play.

 

[NuclearNed]

Nobody seems to be talking about the play after the play...

Even after the interception, Seattle still had a chance; all they had to do was stack the line and stuff the quarterback sneak for the safety & the ball. Afterwards they would have had 20-30 seconds to get the ball downfield for the game winning field goal.

Obvious situation for the hard count... and they fell for it like pros.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Sore winners. This is why no one likes Pats fans. I would have rather lost to the Broncos. At least I have some respect for that organization and its fans.

Sure, Mr. Sore Loser. Broncos? A team with a history of cheating? Shows how long you've been following football.

 

[FelixDeCat]

BTW Happy late birthday DAIN!!